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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
May 15 2011 03:40 GMT
#141
On May 15 2011 10:09 sushiman wrote:
Hwasin. Was awesome back in the day, but never managed to get much further than RO16 I think, despite always qualifiying.
The 4/6 dragons that aren't Bisu/Stork; all of them have been very close but have usually been denied some way or the other. (worst being BeSt getting kicked out of OSL 08 from horrible spawn on Fantasy II vs Stork.)

Sea have been very good for a long time, but I don't think anyone has considered him a contender for years since he automatically chokes in anything that's not PL. Iris is probably the terran that's been most deserving not to have won a SL. Lots of different zergs have been winning SL's, don't know anyone that should have won one except YellOw. Maybe the other YellOw.

Yeah um/. Hwasin threw matches. So you never know if he actually could've won.
No match fixer should ever be champion.
☺
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
May 15 2011 03:43 GMT
#142
This is easily Iris, come on guys.

He's played well enough for long enough, and gone far enough in the actual leagues (unlike poor Sea) that he definitely should have one. If you doubt that, watch 3 of probably the top five bo5s ever he was involved in:

Shinhan3 OSL Semis - vs Savior
Daum OSL Finals - vs GGPlay
Avalon MSL Quarters - vs Bisu

A lot of people also forget he got to the finals of GOM3 as well, but lost to Flash.


Honorable mentions definitely go to Midas, Zero and mayyybe Hwasin. I thought Hwasin was at the time, but things have changed a lot since, obviously.

Free and Sea should both be on here, but I consider being able to handle the pressure of league play as a prerequisite for being 'best', so I'd rank them a bit lower.
Oh, my eSports
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
May 15 2011 03:45 GMT
#143
It's gotta be Sea, also I am wishing that anyone who wins a starleague (who deserves it and hasn't got one yet) surges after their victory. I mean how cool would it be if Sea won a starleague then went on a 85-90% tear through most of proleague??
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
May 15 2011 03:50 GMT
#144
Well obviously YellOw is the clear #1 player to have never won a starleague. After him, I'd say Jangbi since he was more dominant than any one else who hasn't won a starleague. Right now, Jangbi is reallllllllllly bad, and he hasn't been good since 2009, but for a short stretch in early 2009/late 2008, it seemed like he was the best player in the world. Of course, he ended up losing to Bisu in the finals, but he was really quite good during that period of time.
Besides Jangbi, I'd say that Midas was REALLY good back in 2006/2007, and if not for sAviOr's ridiculous dominance, he would have won a starleague.

Sea has the #1 vote in the poll, but I do not believe that Sea was ever that dominant. He just has been consistently one of the best players of all time, but you usually need to be dominant to win a starleague, and that's why he hasn't gotten far in any star leagues ><
If the poll said "Most deserving player to have never won a starleague", then I woudl have voted for Sea, but his peak was never quite as good as other players on the poll, so I don't think he's the BEST to have never won.
THE ANSWER IS 288
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
May 15 2011 03:52 GMT
#145
Midas, if it weren't for Savior, we could have bagged at least a gold in his career ...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Renkaoru
Profile Joined October 2010
390 Posts
May 15 2011 04:01 GMT
#146
To the signature on top of me, LOL.

I voted Leta because he's such a great ace player. If only his confidence in ace matches (especially when he was in Hite Sparkyz) carry over into individual leagues, he'd be bonjwa. Sadly, poor TvP seems to be one of the greatest hindrances for a Terran player to becoming a champion.
God is in His heaven. All is right with the world.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
May 15 2011 04:19 GMT
#147
if jangbi wasnt slumping so bad i wouldve said him.

i guess sea/leta
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
dan_dark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Peru127 Posts
May 15 2011 04:21 GMT
#148
Kal, i remember when he was my favorite player a year ago...
BW will never die
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
May 15 2011 04:32 GMT
#149
I think Midas, Jangbi or Hwasin (though I guess he doesn't count) would have been closest...
:)
SkyLegenD
Profile Joined February 2010
United States304 Posts
May 15 2011 04:35 GMT
#150
Close between Leta and Kal, but I chose Kal in the end instead
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." - Napoleon Bonaparte
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
May 15 2011 04:47 GMT
#151
Sea, definitely. Most solid and consistent terran in the long run (Iris comes VERY close), yet never getting beyond Ro8.. how sad.
POGGERS
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
May 15 2011 05:12 GMT
#152
nal_keke
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
Royalcommand
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)189 Posts
May 15 2011 05:13 GMT
#153
god damn berserker.. always so close :[
ive always thought hwasin was the best player to never win a starleague though.. meh
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
May 15 2011 05:19 GMT
#154
Don't get why people vote Sea, really. He's always been good but never good enough to be a real contender for a title, not even close. Being 3rd-5th best terran consistently does not make you best at anything.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
May 15 2011 05:21 GMT
#155
Iris for sure .
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
May 15 2011 05:32 GMT
#156
Gonna go with Iris cause I love aggression but Sea comes very close because he's so consistent and has been for a long time.
Jaedong :D
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
May 15 2011 06:20 GMT
#157
Oh, Calm won Starleague, nice. Well then, Neo.G_Soulkey. Also Baby, but I'm sure he'll win at some point, he's so young and good.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1780 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 06:45:45
May 15 2011 06:45 GMT
#158
[NC]...YellOw, i don't even want to argue on this, all old school players should understand why.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
May 15 2011 06:47 GMT
#159
Jangbi, as good as Sea was in proleague he's never been an individual league player. Sea might be the best player to have never made a semifinal but thats about it.

Jangbi was the second best dragon for a while. He was dominating left and right, but Bisu and somewhat weak pvz held him back.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 15 2011 06:48 GMT
#160
I would say Kal, i watch a bit of BW and he seems to be a great player, he did really well in WCG 2010 iirc
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