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zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
May 14 2011 23:31 GMT
#101
Kal, the guy always run into someone that's better than him
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
May 14 2011 23:36 GMT
#102
Definitely Sea, just looking at his record make you think why this guy haven't won a single StarLeague.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
May 14 2011 23:36 GMT
#103
Gotta be Kal. The dude will knock your favorite player out but will inevitably donk and lose in the semis. He's not in great form now but a few months ago he was pretty scary.
primebeef
Profile Joined October 2010
United States140 Posts
May 14 2011 23:38 GMT
#104
now i would probably say baby or sea, but back then it would be kal hands down
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 23:40:24
May 14 2011 23:39 GMT
#105
On May 15 2011 08:09 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 08:02 Release wrote:
On May 15 2011 08:00 ThePhan2m wrote:
Kal should have won vs forgg with that genious scout build. just amazing game, shame he lost. He is such a great player

That was a Ro8, now way kal could've beaten flash, much less Jaedong in Bo5s.


hey that MSL he came closest to beating forgg out of everyone

last OSL, Calm came closest to beating Fantasy, but no doubt in my mind that Stork deserved it more than Calm.

I always fealt Baby is too reliant on his multitasking and dropship play. Any zerg who has "enough" multitasking, like Jaedong, will beat him. (forget the korean air osl)
☺
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
May 14 2011 23:40 GMT
#106
Sea
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
May 14 2011 23:41 GMT
#107
It used to be Fantasy by a huge margin. I would say right now Kal is the strongest contender, even though he's slumping like crazy. If we look back in history, it's Jangbi for sure. This guy had a crazy 80% PvT winrate at one point. He's got the 4th best ELO vT peak, only Flash, Jaedong and Yellow being better. His PvP was also the 2nd best after Bisu during the Dragon era.

The next non-winner who will win though? Stats, Snow, Bogus, Reality and Soulkey are good candidates. I would probably put my bet on Snow.
SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 23:53:28
May 14 2011 23:52 GMT
#108
When they are at their best, I would say Baby or Light easy.

For overall performance, including consistancy, I might go with Zero (thinking more currently) or Kal (thinking more how has he done overall, excluding current performance... man used to be a beast lol).

My heart said Baby though, so I voted that. :D
Never Forget. #TheRevolutionist
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
May 14 2011 23:58 GMT
#109
#1 or #2 of their race at some point:
+ Show Spoiler +
Sea
Zero (although he's clearly capable of it in vT/vP..)
Kal
Midas
Leta (maybe)
Jangbi
Iris
Light
Best
Baby
Free

Semifinals + Finals Losses:
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Sea: 0
Zero: 2 semifinals
Kal: 2 semifinals (I think?), 1 finals
Midas: 1 semifinals?
Leta: 0
Jangbi: 2 finals (3 w/ GOM)
Iris: 2 semis, 1 final
Light: 1 semi
Best: 1 final
Baby: 0
Free: 3 semis

note i started following in late 08 so these might be wrong

so by this arbitrary measure it should be free/jangbi/kal
deuone
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark64 Posts
May 15 2011 00:04 GMT
#110
god that is a hard question, i think leta and kal is defenitly my choices, but which deserves the most i can't say, i think kal is more consistent and could probably be the one to pull it off, but i always love watching leta play, his one of my favorites. but if i could have my dream finals, it would without a doubt be Firebathero vs Leta
Super fighting robot from the year 20XX
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 00:06:02
May 15 2011 00:04 GMT
#111
It should be YellOw, but since we cannot vote for him....

I'm going for Sea or Light. Zero really deserves a title as well. Free really deserves one as well since he was insanely good during the time he reached the semi finals 3 times.
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 00:14:34
May 15 2011 00:14 GMT
#112
defenitely Iris

it's sad (Z)GGPlay had to play him in Daum's finals, I would have liked (T)Iris to win a title too
Writer
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 15 2011 00:24 GMT
#113
Obviously Sea. Sick PL win rate, but just can't find it in the starleagues.
God Bless
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 15 2011 00:33 GMT
#114
Kal or Sea definitely
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
May 15 2011 00:37 GMT
#115
I would have to say Sea. Sea has been one of the better (and at a time, best) players around for like 6 years now. His staying power in the scene is incredible.
Crahptacular
Profile Joined December 2008
United States295 Posts
May 15 2011 00:38 GMT
#116
Other: Iris. ;;;;
Chewii101
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada23 Posts
May 15 2011 00:40 GMT
#117
I have a soft spot for Leta.....hope he gets one someday
SKT1 Fighting!
Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
May 15 2011 00:44 GMT
#118
I am a big BeSt fan, but tbh its definitely Sea/Kal. Either could arguable be the best, but I'd have to side with Sea. Sea is a very solid player, and isn't wish washy like many of the others.
I like money. You like money too? We should hang out.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 15 2011 00:45 GMT
#119
Definitely Kal, his past 2 years have seen a lot of deep appearances in leagues, just usually blocked by JD and Flash.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 15 2011 00:46 GMT
#120
Backho
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