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I voted Sea but after thinking about it for a while, Midas out of that poll was the best player to not win a starleague. He was the second best player for quite a while, and when he was really really good, unfortunately Savior was just a bit better and stopped Midas a few times, Iris beat him a few times too. After that, he started getting kicked out of the starleagues by the new tide of players coming in.
On the other hand, Sea was extremely talented, did super well in proleagues, would completely outclass most of the players he faced, but would never live up to his potential in ro16's and ro8's. You could also make a case for Iris but, at least to me, he was never really expected to win a starleague the same way Midas and Sea was (especially Sea). You could make a case for Jangbi too, everyone in Samsung always said that he was a lot better in the practice room than in the games.
Yellow all time, easily though @_@
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On May 15 2011 04:31 Keone wrote: Vote according to WHATEVER criteria you want. I personally was thinking: "At any one point in their careers, they really deserved to have won a Starleague." Which explains why people like Jangbi are on here.
A really good point. I actually voted Jangbi, because around the time in early 2009 when he made 3 different finals in a row he looked downright beastly. If we were polling overall consistency, Sea would probably be the obvious choice, but yet, there was not one starleague run of his where I felt that "this could be the one".
And of course, Kal my man is tearing up this poll with Sea. Here's to hoping he gets back in form soon!
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Hmm.. Cant really decide between Sea and Zero.. Baby a little too, but he is so young, he will have his chances  .. Somehow i feel like Sea's chance will never come  .. Hope Zero win this MSL though, i actually like the guy, and Flash n Jaedong already won their share of titles :p
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I dont know who to vote.
None of these players really stood out for me, some players are good, but not really that consistent...
Voted for Jangbi in the end...
Kinda surprised that Sea is leading the poll by quite a bit.
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Midas, maybe not many people remember how good Midas was 2005-2007 leading T1 with oov and rivaling bonjwa Savior.
other guys like Iris and Best deserve mention though Best's pvz has always been bad
the 6 dragons that are not Bisu/Stork don't really convince me because outside that time period they haven't been so good (good P maps)
Sea well... no doubt he is very solid but when he has like no individual league results it's hard to say he deserves to win one imo.
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Yellow, of the current active players, I'd say Light, while Sea is a solid Terran in the team leagues he does not go anywhere in the individual leagues.
Light is quite underrated actually, I guess that is part of the reason that he is the invisible Terran.
His TvZ is scary, moreover his record.
Too bad the guy ain't as good in TvP
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Leta i guess he made impressive play almost everytime i see him
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Out of all of these Zero is the one I enjoy watching the most. He's incredibly talented and his gameplay is unique and diverse, but he also has severe consistency issues and ZvZ issues which he's only recently started to fix.
You could really make a case for a lot of these players. Jangbi was amazing when he was playing at his peak (easy to forget now, but he once made 3 finals in a row or something like that), Kal was very strong until halfway through last year, and Midas was actually incredible during his peak. A lot of people forget how good Midas was; he was the second best player at one point, but always overshadowed by Savior backw hen Savior was unstoppable.
Sea and Leta are also very talented and usually make deep runs, but both have issues that have prevented them from winning. Leta has been inconsistent and always had a weakness in TvP, and Sea, although he's been one of the top Terrans for a long time and one of the most well rounded players, has always severely underpreformed in important games.
Then you have people like Light and Best, who would have easily won a title (or more) by now if they didn't have to play their race's weak matchup (TvP and PvZ). Light's TvZ is and Best's PvT are unstoppable, but their TvP and PvZ matchups respectively are just awful. Its funny how Light is 3-0 vs Jaedong this season yet has a loosing record vs Perfectman lol.
Anyway yea, my vote would go for Midas, followed by Kal and Sea .
On May 15 2011 06:42 Cambium wrote:
Voted Best
Lol seriously if Best never had to play PvZ he would have won like 3 titles by now.
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On May 15 2011 06:24 ColdLava wrote:
I voted Sea but after thinking about it for a while, Midas out of that poll was the best player to not win a starleague. He was the second best player for quite a while, and when he was really really good, unfortunately Savior was just a bit better and stopped Midas a few times, Iris beat him a few times too. After that, he started getting kicked out of the starleagues by the new tide of players coming in.
On the other hand, Sea was extremely talented, did super well in proleagues, would completely outclass most of the players he faced, but would never live up to his potential in ro16's and ro8's. You could also make a case for Iris but, at least to me, he was never really expected to win a starleague the same way Midas and Sea was (especially Sea). You could make a case for Jangbi too, everyone in Samsung always said that he was a lot better in the practice room than in the games.
Yellow all time, easily though @_@
yep. Agreed here
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I'm not sure how to answer. By saying active players, it seems like your talking about how good they are now. But Midas isn't anywhere close to as good as most of those players are now, so I'm not sure why he is on the list. If we talk about there primes, and the "active" thing was just a way to not include yellow, themarine or H.O.T., the Midas would have my vote. Otherwise, I think Leta just edges out Sea.
After Fantasy won his, there wasn't another player for me who makes me think "He's so good! it's only a matter of time till he wins one." Although there are some young players who are showing sings that they will probably get there one day.
so I guess it looks something like this:
If we include legacy
1. Midas
2. Jangbi
3. Best (Would be #1 by far if not for zerg
if we don't
1. leta
2. sea
3. kal If I can ignore the last 2 months
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On May 15 2011 06:44 TheSubtleArt wrote:Lol seriously if Best never had to play PvZ he would have won like 3 titles by now.
Yeah, and how many titles would zergs have won if they didnt have to play ZvT? Thats the hard thing about starcraft, you gotta play the harder matchups too. Maybe a bit easier for the terrans but still, being a one trick pony doesnt cut it, especially if its the traditionally easier matchup.
On May 15 2011 04:39 Keone wrote:^Plz refer to the big bolded "READ" ^_^
Hes still on the roster isnt he? And had a solid 50% winrate in ace a few months ago so he certainly is still an A-level player
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Netherlands45349 Posts
There is one guy however, who most likely won't win a Starleague but ow boy would it be epic if he did
 firebathero(perhaps when he is back on Khan)
The ceremonies we would get people, the ceremonies if he won a SL.
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On May 15 2011 06:06 heyoka wrote:
I thought Sea was an obvious choice at first, he constantly has incredible games and never puts together an impressive starleague run. After reading the thread though Jangbi might be a stronger candidate, hes had periods of being incredible and he puts together good starleague runs only to get stopped short.
also I'm pretty sure Plexa is still convinced Pusan will win osl one day.
The thing is, there's never been a time in Sea's career where one couldn't name at least five players way better than him. I don't think a player like that has a chance to win a title, much less deserves to. Doing well in Proleague means you can beat mediocre pros, but winning a title is about beating the best players in the world. I think that the only reason Sea is on this poll is because he's been involved with foreigner events and he's a nice guy who did B.Net attack with us. The fact remains tho, when he got put into the group of death he was quivering in his boots and figured he had no chance... Well, to win a title, you have to beat those players eventually, right? Unless they all get sniped by crappy one build wonder players and you clean up... But then that's not really earning your win.
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On May 15 2011 06:53 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 06:44 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 15 2011 06:42 Cambium wrote:
Voted Best Lol seriously if Best never had to play PvZ he would have won like 3 titles by now. Yeah, and how many titles would zergs have won if they didnt have to play ZvT? Thats the hard thing about starcraft, you gotta play the harder matchups too. Maybe a bit easier for the terrans but still, being a one trick pony doesnt cut it, especially if its the traditionally easier matchup. Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 04:39 Keone wrote:On May 15 2011 04:38 Milkis wrote:
Yellow ^Plz refer to the big bolded "READ" ^_^ Hes still on the roster isnt he? And had a solid 50% winrate in ace a few months ago so he certainly is still an A-level player
Agreed, you really have to be good in all 3 matchups to make a deep run. The only exception I can think of is Casy, who managed to win a starleague by being amazing in TvZ, unremarkable in TvT, and hilariously bad in TvP (before he joined ace he was over 60% in TvZ and ~33% in TvP lol Oo).
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Disregarding 'consistency' issues (which is just another way of saying mostly above average games are better than really good and really bad games), I would probably vote for BeSt/ZerO over Sea or Leta....Sea and Leta are solid players but have never really impressed me with their play, whereas at least rarely BeSt has the ability to pull out a rape even in PvZ. As for PvT, BeSt is ridiculous because his play is so straightforward, yet he just manages to...win when he needs to. Just 2gate/1gate obs to double expand to arbs/zeal/goon break. Neither Sea or Leta has that sort of...intimidating ability, although they are definitely good players. And ZerO is ZerO.
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Can't honestly vote for any of these
The important person left out imo, though for a period of time I probably would have voted for Best, but since he was only that good for such a short period of time, it is understandable and was not all that unlikely that he won no starleague.
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On May 15 2011 07:01 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 06:06 heyoka wrote:
I thought Sea was an obvious choice at first, he constantly has incredible games and never puts together an impressive starleague run. After reading the thread though Jangbi might be a stronger candidate, hes had periods of being incredible and he puts together good starleague runs only to get stopped short.
also I'm pretty sure Plexa is still convinced Pusan will win osl one day. The thing is, there's never been a time in Sea's career where one couldn't name at least five players way better than him. I don't think a player like that has a chance to win a title, much less deserves to. Doing well in Proleague means you can beat mediocre pros, but winning a title is about beating the best players in the world. I think that the only reason Sea is on this poll is because he's been involved with foreigner events and he's a nice guy who did B.Net attack with us. The fact remains tho, when he got put into the group of death he was quivering in his boots and figured he had no chance... Well, to win a title, you have to beat those players eventually, right? Unless they all get sniped by crappy one build wonder players and you clean up... But then that's not really earning your win.
absolutely, jangbi IS the highest peak elo guy to not have fon a title so him probablty
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Sea is so good but what's going on man, he's gotta at least make it to a final. I don't care if he even wins just man this dude deserves it, plus he's a cute person as well.
Yeah ok I just sounded biased but I'm sure more people will agree with me.
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