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Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
September 14 2011 18:17 GMT
#381
Not counting YellOw, I'd say either Sea or Jangbi but it's quite hard.

Voted on Sea.
TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
September 14 2011 18:36 GMT
#382
Im going with Kal because he's had some bad luck with the draw.
Hyvaa #1 Fan. Gogo STX, Dear, Bogus, Classic, and Mini! Always a BW fan!
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
September 14 2011 18:52 GMT
#383
still have trouble believing Iris isn't mentioned in the op
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
September 14 2011 19:01 GMT
#384
me obviously, it would be unfair if i traveled to korea and owned everyone ezpz blindfolded 1 hand, they don't deserve that kind of humiliation,so i just play d- players to keep the low profile ;D
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 19:41:29
September 14 2011 19:41 GMT
#385
On May 15 2011 06:44 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Then you have people like Light and Best, who would have easily won a title (or more) by now if they didn't have to play their race's weak matchup (TvP and PvZ). Light's TvZ is and Best's PvT are unstoppable, but their TvP and PvZ matchups respectively are just awful. Its funny how Light is 3-0 vs Jaedong this season yet has a loosing record vs Perfectman lol.


Is Perfectman really that bad? Isn't Backho worse?
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
September 14 2011 19:48 GMT
#386
really wish chojja won an osl.....love that guy
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
UkGracken
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom129 Posts
September 14 2011 19:53 GMT
#387
On September 14 2011 22:33 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 22:25 villageidiot wrote:
On September 14 2011 21:51 M2 wrote:
On September 14 2011 19:05 Sawamura wrote:
Calm ?


Look at the title more carefully, it doesn't say: The most undeserving starleague champion:-))

p.s. Partially just kidding


Casy is the most undeserving champion, imo. Calm is is on par with Mind and forGG.


How the hell did Mind and fOrGG not deserve their titles? Seriously, fOrGG went through Sea, Kal, Flash and Jaedong with the latter two in Bo5 wins. Calm also beat Jaedong in a ZvZ Bo5. If anything the only "undeserving" champions (if there even is such a thing) would be Luxury and July's 3rd OSL.


Hey now dont be throwing punches at july his ZVP stood the test of time and he definatly deserved that golden mouse, Not sure if u know how long julyzerg was top of BW for definatly a bonjwa of the oldschool starcraft.
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
September 14 2011 20:01 GMT
#388
On September 15 2011 04:41 ppshchik wrote:
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On May 15 2011 06:44 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Then you have people like Light and Best, who would have easily won a title (or more) by now if they didn't have to play their race's weak matchup (TvP and PvZ). Light's TvZ is and Best's PvT are unstoppable, but their TvP and PvZ matchups respectively are just awful. Its funny how Light is 3-0 vs Jaedong this season yet has a loosing record vs Perfectman lol.


Is Perfectman really that bad? Isn't Backho worse?

Just gotta ask, how come every single person I ever meet spells "lose" with two O's? -.-
zlosynus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Czech Republic339 Posts
September 14 2011 20:04 GMT
#389
On September 15 2011 05:01 HaXXspetten wrote:
Just gotta ask, how come every single person I ever meet spells "lose" with two O's? -.-


Almost everyone will written 'lose' with just one O. But in the form 'losing' it seems very weird (like something is missing), so they add additional o there. And almost always you mean just one o there .
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#390
On September 15 2011 05:04 zlosynus wrote:
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On September 15 2011 05:01 HaXXspetten wrote:
Just gotta ask, how come every single person I ever meet spells "lose" with two O's? -.-


Almost everyone will written 'lose' with just one O. But in the form 'losing' it seems very weird (like something is missing), so they add additional o there. And almost always you mean just one o there .

Kinda weird to spell "losing" as "loosing," IMO.

I kinda infer that "losing" means to lose, whereas "loosing" means to loose.

A quick Google search of "loosing" reveals the definition:
loosingpresent participle of loose (Verb)
1. Set free; release: "the hounds have been loosed".
2. Untie; unfasten: "the ropes were loosed".
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
September 14 2011 20:25 GMT
#391
Jangbi doesn't deserve it anymore. His debut was incredible, but it only lasted until his MSL final against Bisu. Midas, Light, Leta, FBH, etc, all probably deserve a title. They were all incredible players in their hey day (some still are).

But still, Sea is definitely takes the top spot. He's just never had that string of luck you need to make it through to the trophy. He's got everything else.

On September 15 2011 05:11 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 05:04 zlosynus wrote:
On September 15 2011 05:01 HaXXspetten wrote:
Just gotta ask, how come every single person I ever meet spells "lose" with two O's? -.-


Almost everyone will written 'lose' with just one O. But in the form 'losing' it seems very weird (like something is missing), so they add additional o there. And almost always you mean just one o there .

Kinda weird to spell "losing" as "loosing," IMO.

I kinda infer that "losing" means to lose, whereas "loosing" means to loose.

A quick Google search of "loosing" reveals the definition:
Show nested quote +
loosingpresent participle of loose (Verb)
1. Set free; release: "the hounds have been loosed".
2. Untie; unfasten: "the ropes were loosed".

It's not just weird, it's wrong.
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zlosynus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Czech Republic339 Posts
September 14 2011 20:40 GMT
#392
On September 15 2011 05:11 eviltomahawk wrote:
Kinda weird to spell "losing" as "loosing," IMO.

I kinda infer that "losing" means to lose, whereas "loosing" means to loose.

A quick Google search of "loosing" reveals the definition:
Show nested quote +
loosingpresent participle of loose (Verb)
1. Set free; release: "the hounds have been loosed".
2. Untie; unfasten: "the ropes were loosed".


Ya, but you are native speaker (probably). I was making this mistake some time ago, too. But then my friend told me about it. I can't explain why losing seems weird. Of course, loosing means something else.
Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
September 14 2011 20:45 GMT
#393
On September 15 2011 05:25 PH wrote:
Jangbi doesn't deserve it anymore. His debut was incredible, but it only lasted until his MSL final against Bisu. Midas, Light, Leta, FBH, etc, all probably deserve a title. They were all incredible players in their hey day (some still are).

But still, Sea is definitely takes the top spot. He's just never had that string of luck you need to make it through to the trophy. He's got everything else.

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 05:11 eviltomahawk wrote:
On September 15 2011 05:04 zlosynus wrote:
On September 15 2011 05:01 HaXXspetten wrote:
Just gotta ask, how come every single person I ever meet spells "lose" with two O's? -.-


Almost everyone will written 'lose' with just one O. But in the form 'losing' it seems very weird (like something is missing), so they add additional o there. And almost always you mean just one o there .

Kinda weird to spell "losing" as "loosing," IMO.

I kinda infer that "losing" means to lose, whereas "loosing" means to loose.

A quick Google search of "loosing" reveals the definition:
loosingpresent participle of loose (Verb)
1. Set free; release: "the hounds have been loosed".
2. Untie; unfasten: "the ropes were loosed".

It's not just weird, it's wrong.

Yeah, Jangbi lacks to consistency to get the title of best without a title, barring him losing this OSL and following it up with another monster streak. However, there's nothing that can be said about Sea or Light that can't be said and more about Iris (in his heyday). Leta and Iris, however, are pretty much even. Amazing players that have taken some tough losses, though I give the edge to Iris both due to personal bias (he is my favourite terran all time), and the fact that he seems to be more affected by living in the shadow of monsters (playing in the era of Oov and Savior isn't an easy feat) while Leta, as far as I've seen, Ends up beating himself more often than he is blocked by his equivalent to Oov and Savior in Flash and Jaedong. I could absolutely be wrong, I have a bit of rose colored glasses and due to how I followed the scene, I definitely saw more of Iris's good than bad back in 2005.
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pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
September 14 2011 21:07 GMT
#394
well i wanted to vote jangbi since he' s on a roll right now but i think sea is most consistant
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
September 14 2011 21:15 GMT
#395
It's just sad that Sea has never won...he's appeared in so many Ro16s, yet has been so unlucky all the time. I'd say he'd be one of the best players never to have won a Starleague.
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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
September 14 2011 21:23 GMT
#396
I always thought Zero was the best player to have never won anything and then he wins a 2nd. Which is good enough for me x)
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
Trusty
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand520 Posts
September 14 2011 21:23 GMT
#397
No Yellow...

so It's Sea!
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 09:05:50
September 14 2011 21:38 GMT
#398
the answer is definitely not sea (iirc he only got 1 ro8 in starleagues during his whole career)

jangbi is probably better than everbody because basically in finals he run into a rampaging bisu or luxury who played some of best zvp ever in history at that final
cHicKeLoR
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany559 Posts
September 14 2011 21:45 GMT
#399
i always wanted to see fbh win a title... but jangbi deserves the vote as well.. at least for now
RedMorning
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada117 Posts
September 14 2011 22:21 GMT
#400
I always wanted FBH to win a big 1v1 title...just so I could see what kind of victory dance he would pull out. We all know he would!
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