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Mirl Turkey173 Posts May 14 2011 19:56 GMT #21 Sea and Light Light TvP really weak,thats why he never win OSL Sea all match ups 57% or more...he already deserving winning a StarLeague. So my vote for Sea!

Holgerius Sweden16951 Posts May 14 2011 19:57 GMT #22 Voted Sea; super solid in all match-ups, sometimes super impressive displays of skill and yet he always fails in starleagues.

corumjhaelen France6884 Posts May 14 2011 19:57 GMT #23 If you count people that could still win a starleague in the future, Sea. If not, Midas. Jangbi is pretty close too. And Iris maybe. But the first too never even went far in a starleague, so it's even more disappointing. Well Midas had one semifinal, and Sea none. ON the other hand, Iris and Jangbi had their chances. I don't know who to vote for. Pretty sad Casy and Sync won starleague when you see that line up :p

salito 1649 Posts May 14 2011 20:02 GMT #24 Midas. Long career, strong in all matchups, maintained a 60% winrate until mid-2010.

Cheeseburgered United States716 Posts May 14 2011 20:02 GMT #25 jangbi and midas

JohannesH Finland1364 Posts May 14 2011 20:05 GMT #26 Midas or Jangbi. They're the top of these in ELO peak too, though Yellow is in between them. And Best is just 1 point away from Midas. And your faq lies about Great.

SolaR- United States2686 Posts May 14 2011 20:08 GMT #27 Iris was really good at one point, especially during the Savior era.

JIJIyO Canada1957 Posts May 14 2011 20:09 GMT #28 I'd have to say Iris. Guy was a BEASTTTTTTTTTTTT. And is still destroying. Getting so close so many times only to fall to a Zerg that was on his team. Savior, Kwanro, Effort(? Or did he beat him in GOM? Not sure if I remember).

Jeremyy Canada182 Posts May 14 2011 20:11 GMT #29 Yellow.

HawaiianPig Canada5155 Posts May 14 2011 20:11 GMT #30 I can't honestly vote for any of these guys because they're all so streaky. I like them, but they're all equally not-starleague-champ-material to me.

Mirl Turkey173 Posts May 14 2011 20:13 GMT #31 On May 15 2011 05:11 Jeremyy wrote: Yellow. ROFL good point

Release United States4397 Posts May 14 2011 20:14 GMT #32 MBSea deserves it more than anyone. He basically a slightly weaker KTFlash.

Djabanete United States2786 Posts May 14 2011 20:15 GMT #33 Bisu + Show Spoiler +

Ideas United States8179 Posts May 14 2011 20:17 GMT #34 my heart goes with kal, but mind goes with zero. zero goes as far as he can in every league until he runs into a zerg with decent ZvZ :\. he can take down any player of any other race, but not zerg one day though I think zero will get a lucky casy-style bracket where he can just avoid ZvZ the whole time and he will win that league though.

FlaShFTW United States10567 Posts May 14 2011 20:18 GMT #35 i think jangbi. you'll never see another person to get 100000 storms off against nada ever again.

Rainmaker5 United States1027 Posts May 14 2011 20:19 GMT #36 Iris man, the guys is a monster.

Bibbit Canada5377 Posts May 14 2011 20:20 GMT #37 Pretty hard choice. I ended up voting Kal but Iris and Jangbi are also high up there for me. Jangbi might be pretty awful now but he was absolutely terrifying for a while and has a handful of second place finishes. Iris has just been really good for so long and is still beastly, even on Ace. But Kal when he's on the ball seems to be a favourite vs anyone thats not Jaedong or Flash but meets them so often. >_>

Kanil United States1713 Posts May 14 2011 20:22 GMT #38 The Best player to have never won a StarLeague? Well, that's simple...

trance- United States46 Posts May 14 2011 20:22 GMT #39 Jangbi. Huge peak ELO, might have the best argument out of any of these guys to have once been ranked #1, multiple silvers, and was one of three key players during Khan's big PL run and eventual championship. I think Iris is an underrated selection though. Came so close multiple times, and not just when he made the finals. There was also that crazy semi-final series he lost to Savior that caused Savior to break his CJ face. I like Sea but I think he might be overrated as a choice just because he's been a consistently good player for such a long time. I can't remember a time when he seemed a legit threat to win a title, other than maybe years ago when people still thought he just hadn't quite reached his potential and would break out sooner or later.

Mortality United States4790 Posts May 14 2011 20:25 GMT #40 First of all, Yellow is indisputably the all time best player to have never won a Starleague. He was in his day what Jaedong is these days. I think that if we're going to talk about this without talking about Yellow, we need to define a metric. If we look at players who are capable of throwing down with top players right now (on a somewhat consistent basis) who have had long and healthy careers, Sea is the top of your list. He's basically been consistently a top 5 Terran (often times top 3) for 5-6 years. The issue I would bring up with Sea is that he's consistently NOT been a top 2 Terran, which is part of why he's consistently failed to go the distance. However if we go 50% consistency + 50% peak form (lifetime), I might give the nod to Midas over Sea. Also Iris would rival Midas here. But I don't think most players out there right now know just how scary Midas was at one point. If we look at peak form in the post Ma Jae Yoon era (i.e. modern Starcraft), then the award has to go to Jangbi. At his peak he had broken into the ranks of TBLS. However his peak was pretty short lived. If we look at level of play over just the past year/two years, it's somewhat of a toss up between Zero (semifinals appearance, consistently among the top 3 in ZvT and ZvP, at times showing strong ZvZ, although at other times showing fail ZvZ), Light (WL MVP in 2010, semifinals appearance pushing JD to the absolute limit in BigFile MSL, #2 TvZer of the past year+, at times looking every bit as strong as Flash, but weak in TvP), Free (2 semifinals, arguably the top Protoss of 2010) or Kal (semifinals +Korean representative at WCG, makes a strong case in contention for #1 Protoss of 2010). Regarding others on your list: -Best... as I said very recently in the PR discussion, I was totally raving about Best's talent when he came out but he never quite lived up to the hype. In retrospect I find his game play a bit one-dimensional. -Baby still has to prove he belongs with the others on this list. -Leta was for a time the #3 Terran and one of the greatest PL aces ever, but his dominance was short lived and never carried over to individual leagues. A very smart player but he needed to work on his macro a little. -FBH could be worth a mention by one of the metrics I out-lined. Ruby and Much definitely do not make this list as others on it have simply proven themselves more. Regarding your FAQ: -Why so few Zerg? Because most of the obvious choices for #2 - #3 Zerg over ANY time period in the past 4-5 years have risen up to challenge at some point (Effort, GGplay, Calm, Luxury). -Hwasin arguably deserves a spot. -In general, I'd hesitate to add anyone who hasn't AT LEAST made a semifinal.

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