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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
May 14 2011 20:34 GMT
#41
Sea is my favorite player. Sure, I'm a little biased. But seriously he's the epitome of consistent - he's the reason why MBC doesn't completely fall flat on their face every time in proleague. He just gets nervous
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 14 2011 20:36 GMT
#42
i think its a close call between kal and zero but clearly we have seen Zero's games are mostly at the legend epic level o.O
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 20:38:20
May 14 2011 20:38 GMT
#43
Zero, If ZvZ didn't fuck him over every season he'd have at least 1 SL, maybe 2.

(But really Yellow how could u not list him!)
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FakePlasticLove
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States357 Posts
May 14 2011 20:40 GMT
#44
You forgot Pusan . He's back on the roster.

My vote goes to Free and Light. Personal bias, but I really hope they have a deep SL run one day.
All walls are great if the roof doesn't fall
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
May 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#45
sea's going to win the next OSL
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
May 14 2011 20:45 GMT
#46
In the last few years, Jangbi and Kal were the two closest players who didn't make it. Hwasin, FBH, free, Sea, Best have all been close.
May the BeSt man win.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 20:49:23
May 14 2011 20:47 GMT
#47
Sea in no way deserves a title. I think to be worthy of this list you at least need to have some ro4 finishes, if not silvers. Sea is just always 'a good player but no where near the best.'

Of the list, I don't think any of them deserve a title. Sorry, but even if you say 'no Yellow' Yellow is basically the only one who is worthy, since Fantasy and Stork got their golds eventually. I could say Zero or even FBH because I am a big fan of them both, but I know deep down they don't compare to the best players of their time.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 20:48:15
May 14 2011 20:47 GMT
#48
I want to vote free because of fanboyism, but I don't want to skew the poll

I would say ZerO and then Sea.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
mardi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1164 Posts
May 14 2011 20:49 GMT
#49
I would have to say Sea or Yellow. Sea is undeniably remarkable in proleague but just can't seem to win a starleague. Yellow... nuff said.
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
May 14 2011 20:50 GMT
#50
Yum Bo Sung for life. He deserves a win.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 14 2011 20:58 GMT
#51
Sea or Yellow.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
May 14 2011 21:04 GMT
#52
Probably Jangbi or Sea. Jangbi being StorK's partner in crime and Stork reaching so many finals I find it quite odd that Jangbi never reached that far
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 14 2011 21:06 GMT
#53
I thought Sea was an obvious choice at first, he constantly has incredible games and never puts together an impressive starleague run. After reading the thread though Jangbi might be a stronger candidate, hes had periods of being incredible and he puts together good starleague runs only to get stopped short.

also I'm pretty sure Plexa is still convinced Pusan will win osl one day.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
May 14 2011 21:07 GMT
#54
Well there's definitely a distinction that needs to be made here because i think people are voting on different criteria: Is it the player who is the best right now to never have won a Starleague? Or active player with the best career (even if they aren't so good atm) to never have won a Starleague?

If you're voting on the first question the answer is probably Leta, with Kal, Zero, Sea, and BaBy being runner ups. However i think the second one is the most interesting to discuss and requires a lot more thought, because imo "best player" most closely means player with the best career.

For that criteria i'd say BeSt, followed by Sea, Kal, Jangbi, and Midas. NC YellOw should definitely be on the poll and deserves recognition here. FBH gets a mention in this category.

Notice Sea is the only player mentioned in both lists, he's a model of consistency and a great player with a great career too. That said, BeSt is the right choice for this poll because of his great career with great Proleague success AND Starleague success (despite not winning one), Sea is second.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
May 14 2011 21:07 GMT
#55
But.. but.. he'd be 1st place of the at-best 2nd places
:)
No0n
Profile Joined March 2010
United States355 Posts
May 14 2011 21:08 GMT
#56
Sea.Really, even if he is slumping now : (
Park Sang Woo(Sea.Really) Fighting! E-STRO forever.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
May 14 2011 21:09 GMT
#57
On May 15 2011 05:47 Chef wrote:
Sea in no way deserves a title. I think to be worthy of this list you at least need to have some ro4 finishes, if not silvers. Sea is just always 'a good player but no where near the best.'


The thing about Sea is that he regularly pulls off Starleague-winner-level play (not as much recently), but he chokes when he gets to the actual Ro16 or Ro8 of a Starleague. If he could play as consistently in Starleagues as he does in PL, he would probably have won by now.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
May 14 2011 21:09 GMT
#58
Berserker Terran imo
Yhamm is the god of predictions
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
May 14 2011 21:20 GMT
#59
As much as I wanted to vote for ZerO, my favorite player, I had to vote for Sea, 2nd favorite . As much as I enjoy ZerO's play, his ZvZ is a hinderance he can't seem to get rid of . Sea on the other hand is phenomenal in all of his matchups, Sea just runs into someone ridiculous all the time. And group D was no help this season. He will win one day, and it will be great.
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
May 14 2011 21:23 GMT
#60
Jangbi. I think he's the only person on that list I've been impressed by in a best of 3 match. I don't think Baby or Sea have ever done well in a Best of Format.
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