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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
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Sillylaughs
Canada198 Posts
midas was so scary back then :X | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On May 15 2011 16:28 tedster wrote: People are absolutely out of their minds if they think anyone but Midas or Iris should be at the top of this poll. These were guys who, for HUGE stretches of time, were considered not just the best at their respective races but top 2 in the game overall. Iris and Midas both were in the "so much better than the rest of the pack" categories during their very extended peaks whereas none of the other players on that list have ever really been so good as to be "way beyond whoever is #3". Jangbi could make an argument but he was never even really considered the best at his race for any extended period of time - he simply was lucky/skilled enough to make a few finals but certainly didn't deserve to win them. He's close, for sure, but having followed the game when either of the preceding two players were in their primes, it was always a shock when they were knocked out of a league by anyone other than, say, Savior. Like, I would love to say zerO, because he's a great player and watching him is an amazing treat, but Zero has never been considered #1 or #2 in the game and certainly never #1 zerg with a bullet. Iris and Midas both went through really long periods of time where they were uncontested #1 at their race, not this #3 Terran bullshit that Sea gets a lot of credit for. Being #3-5 Terran for years is an awesome accomplishment but has nothing to do with winning a SL or deserving a title for being, at best, a top10 or top15 player. So yeah. Iris and Midas both pass the Yellow test; best at their race for a long window, only lost to the very best player/eventually winner at the time, no seriously weak matchups, could give the reigning Bonjwa a run for his money. When was Iris ever considered top2 in the world? Maybe best Terran for a while, but beside his impressive DAUM run beating Savior and Stork he was never impressive for huge stretches of time, tho his TvT was the best back then. I guess you could argue he was top2-3 in the world for a short period of time, but during that time Iris peaked both Bisu and Savior was considered better by most people. Iris was undoubtedly a good player but Midas was better for sure in my eyes at least, he was just a horrible choker when the stakes got high + he did stuff like choosing to play savior twice. Iris doing well against Savior also probably had something to do with them being teammates as team on team battles are notorious for weird results. (Like Forgg 3-0 Jaedong, Fantasy 3-0 Bisu, Jangbi 3-0 Stork etc) My choice would be Midas or ZerO. ZerO simply have the biggest potential of playing mindblowingly well of anyone active now, and if he avoids having to play superb ZvZ players he is championship material for sure. Midas because he was simply an amazing player during his prime, sadly he always seemed to have problems with nerves once the stakes got high. | ||
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Horiz0n
Sweden364 Posts
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Simplistik
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
On May 15 2011 16:28 tedster wrote: People are absolutely out of their minds if they think anyone but Midas or Iris should be at the top of this poll. These were guys who, for HUGE stretches of time, were considered not just the best at their respective races but top 2 in the game overall. Iris and Midas both were in the "so much better than the rest of the pack" categories during their very extended peaks whereas none of the other players on that list have ever really been so good as to be "way beyond whoever is #3". Jangbi could make an argument but he was never even really considered the best at his race for any extended period of time - he simply was lucky/skilled enough to make a few finals but certainly didn't deserve to win them. He's close, for sure, but having followed the game when either of the preceding two players were in their primes, it was always a shock when they were knocked out of a league by anyone other than, say, Savior. Like, I would love to say zerO, because he's a great player and watching him is an amazing treat, but Zero has never been considered #1 or #2 in the game and certainly never #1 zerg with a bullet. Iris and Midas both went through really long periods of time where they were uncontested #1 at their race, not this #3 Terran bullshit that Sea gets a lot of credit for. Being #3-5 Terran for years is an awesome accomplishment but has nothing to do with winning a SL or deserving a title for being, at best, a top10 or top15 player. So yeah. Iris and Midas both pass the Yellow test; best at their race for a long window, only lost to the very best player/eventually winner at the time, no seriously weak matchups, could give the reigning Bonjwa a run for his money. "Vote according to WHATEVER criteria you want. " | ||
GTR
51584 Posts
On May 15 2011 19:40 Oystein wrote: When was Iris ever considered top2 in the world? Maybe best Terran for a while, but beside his impressive DAUM run beating Savior and Stork he was never impressive for huge stretches of time, tho his TvT was the best back then. I guess you could argue he was top2-3 in the world for a short period of time, but during that time Iris peaked both Bisu and Savior was considered better by most people. Iris was undoubtedly a good player but Midas was better for sure in my eyes at least, he was just a horrible choker when the stakes got high + he did stuff like choosing to play savior twice. Iris doing well against Savior also probably had something to do with them being teammates as team on team battles are notorious for weird results. (Like Forgg 3-0 Jaedong, Fantasy 3-0 Bisu, Jangbi 3-0 Stork etc) My choice would be Midas or ZerO. ZerO simply have the biggest potential of playing mindblowingly well of anyone active now, and if he avoids having to play superb ZvZ players he is championship material for sure. Midas because he was simply an amazing player during his prime, sadly he always seemed to have problems with nerves once the stakes got high. i think midas' mental state towards the game completely shattered after losing to savior that osl. he has never been the same since (sure he's been given a resurgence being in fox now, but i doubt he'd ever reclaim back the skill that he had back then). | ||
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Darth Saros
Czech Republic245 Posts
Iris of course. He's a terran that even my P playing friends like. | ||
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sinistral
Singapore859 Posts
Midas and BeSt are closely behind with 228*. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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GTR
51584 Posts
On May 15 2011 22:10 mdb wrote: I think that everyone who deserves a title has won one, but maybe chojja should have won another starleague. if it weren't for the maps, he would have won that osl where he played casy. he played brilliantly on rush hour then just got raped by the rest of the pool (cultivation period, old peaks, 815). | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13409 Posts
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Rick Roy
United States59 Posts
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HighTemper
Canada3867 Posts
 JangBi or  Midas hands down.The rest maybe consistent, have potential, or have a killer match up. But they are still a long shot for being best of the best. Midas's prime was in 2006-2007 - a period that all other Terran bonjwas were past their prime. He had the chance of being at the top against the reign of Savior. His revolution to the aggressive terran style is still in play at present.JangBi's prime was in late 2008 till early 2009 - the era of TBLS. His prime was short-lived but making three final over a span of only 4 months was quite a feat. Despite three crushing 1-3 finals defeats during the period, his winning record was at an astounding 70%.Voted Jangbi because his play was such an art and I would like to see him back. | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
I wonder if a Worst Player to Have Won A Starleague thread/poll would be viable. "Worst" would be kind of misleading though, as all SL champs have been at least very solid (i.e. Mind, Calm, Hydra, Luxury). | ||
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HitoriTomoyo
Canada264 Posts
I personally would like to see Light at least reach the finals of a Starleague; granted he's pretty inconsistent right now but his form during the 09-10 Season (especially during the Winner's League and Bigfile MSL) pretty much established his reputation as a solid A-Class Terran player. Now if only free could actually help him fix his horrid TvP skills, Light would definitely be a much more powerful player than he already is (TvZ is amongst the best and he's super solid in TvT). | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
I think, honestly - Sea hasn't got the potential to win a SL. ZerO has. The other one who has imho is Light, recently he shows that his TvP is improving, and his TvZ and TvT are already good. | ||
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
On May 15 2011 23:18 reincremate wrote: I wonder if a Worst Player to Have Won A Starleague thread/poll would be viable. "Worst" would be kind of misleading though, as all SL champs have been at least very solid (i.e. Mind, Calm, Hydra, Luxury). Casy a former Osl champion comes to mind. He is a poor man's boxer, terrible marco, bad tvp, his tvt is decent and cheesy as well. His tvz was pretty good which is why he won the zerg heavy 2006 ShinHan OSL. PLus the map pool was pretty imba if I recall. | ||
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Mirl
Turkey173 Posts
On May 16 2011 01:33 _Quasar_ wrote: WTF Sea on 1st place? I vote ZerO... X_X I think, honestly - Sea hasn't got the potential to win a SL. ZerO has. The other one who has imho is Light, recently he shows that his TvP is improving, and his TvZ and TvT are already good. Sea all match ups super solid and higher than 57%.How to you saying he hasnt got potential? | ||
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