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Best Player Never to Have Won A Starleague - Page 11

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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 16:39:28
May 15 2011 16:38 GMT
#201
Sea and Midas, definitely.

Iris was pretty sick too for a while, but he was in the shadow of giants.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
May 15 2011 16:56 GMT
#202
I voted ZerO because I think I have seen him perform with the most raw talent in the past couple years but usually fail in the OSL Ro8 or MSL Ro4 (or earlier).

Sea has the 6th most wins of all time, yet has never made it past a Ro8, so it's hard to judge him here.

Jang Bi was the third most successful Protoss in the dragon era and his 3 finals have been mentioned many times, but of course he has fallen since then.

Kal would be my runner up, simply because he has been the most successful Protoss after Bisu and Stork beyond the dragon era (except when free dominated briefly). His win over Flash in the last OSL was telling.

I guess my criteria then is which current player has both done good in the past, and still has a serious shot to win a Starleague. So that's:

1. ZerO
2. Kal

Sea made dual Ro8 a couple seasons ago, but something still doesn't seem right with him. I guess he'd be number 3 though.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 15 2011 17:04 GMT
#203
Even though I'm a complete Leta hater, he definitely has the skill-set to win a starleague (especially when considering players like Luxury won... ._.,
Also Zero and Kal are fantastic players, though Zero's zvz has single handily kept him from winning :|
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Clerseri
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia150 Posts
May 15 2011 17:05 GMT
#204
No Hyuk, no legitimacy in poll.
Fantasy will be the next big thing in SC2.
fruchtzergeis
Profile Joined April 2011
64 Posts
May 15 2011 17:12 GMT
#205
worst player to ever win a starleague.... (P)Rock
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 15 2011 17:13 GMT
#206
light
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
May 15 2011 17:28 GMT
#207
I'd go with either Iris or Midas, both stellar terrans of their time and both eclipsed by sAviOr.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
May 15 2011 17:39 GMT
#208
On May 16 2011 02:12 fruchtzergeis wrote:
worst player to ever win a starleague.... (P)Rock

He beat Jaedong in a Bo5 and Flash in a Bo3. That's pretty baller.
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2108 Posts
May 15 2011 17:42 GMT
#209
Sea!
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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 17:45:44
May 15 2011 17:43 GMT
#210
On May 16 2011 01:37 Mirl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 01:33 _Quasar_ wrote:
WTF Sea on 1st place? I vote ZerO... X_X

I think, honestly - Sea hasn't got the potential to win a SL. ZerO has.
The other one who has imho is Light, recently he shows that his TvP is improving, and his TvZ and TvT are already good.

Sea all match ups super solid and higher than 57%.How to you saying he hasnt got potential?

Because he fails miserably vs. big players like Stork, Bisu, Flash and Jaedong. ZerO doesn't (even against Jaedong, while ZvZ is his most shit match-up).

That's why I wrote he has no potential of winning a Starleague, because for this you need to be able to put down at least one of those players in bo5 or bo3, and I don't see how he does that to anyone of TBLS. X_X On the other hand ZerO fucking pwned Stork, going 5-0 in last matches vs. him, and beating him 3-0 in a series... =__=
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
May 15 2011 17:52 GMT
#211
Considering most recent forms (recent being past couple years), Kal. Overall in terms of OMFG RAW TALENT with bad luck, Midas.
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ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
May 15 2011 17:53 GMT
#212
I'm surprised midas isn't at the top of the list... I guess it's because most people havn't been around long enough to see or hear about how he used to be. A boss. He could have won back in the savior days.

Light is very good I suppose, he needs stronger vP though.
:) I play zerg. FOX AND KT ROLSTER COASTER FAN! Because I love everyone. Except bisu.
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
May 15 2011 17:56 GMT
#213
On May 15 2011 19:54 Legatus Lanius wrote:
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On May 15 2011 16:28 tedster wrote:
People are absolutely out of their minds if they think anyone but Midas or Iris should be at the top of this poll. These were guys who, for HUGE stretches of time, were considered not just the best at their respective races but top 2 in the game overall. Iris and Midas both were in the "so much better than the rest of the pack" categories during their very extended peaks whereas none of the other players on that list have ever really been so good as to be "way beyond whoever is #3".

Jangbi could make an argument but he was never even really considered the best at his race for any extended period of time - he simply was lucky/skilled enough to make a few finals but certainly didn't deserve to win them. He's close, for sure, but having followed the game when either of the preceding two players were in their primes, it was always a shock when they were knocked out of a league by anyone other than, say, Savior.

Like, I would love to say zerO, because he's a great player and watching him is an amazing treat, but Zero has never been considered #1 or #2 in the game and certainly never #1 zerg with a bullet. Iris and Midas both went through really long periods of time where they were uncontested #1 at their race, not this #3 Terran bullshit that Sea gets a lot of credit for. Being #3-5 Terran for years is an awesome accomplishment but has nothing to do with winning a SL or deserving a title for being, at best, a top10 or top15 player.

So yeah. Iris and Midas both pass the Yellow test; best at their race for a long window, only lost to the very best player/eventually winner at the time, no seriously weak matchups, could give the reigning Bonjwa a run for his money.


"Vote according to WHATEVER criteria you want. "

Yeah srsly i voted for zero because he has glasses, why are ppl discussing this
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 17:59:36
May 15 2011 17:57 GMT
#214
On May 16 2011 02:39 reincremate wrote:
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On May 16 2011 02:12 fruchtzergeis wrote:
worst player to ever win a starleague.... (P)Rock

He beat Jaedong in a Bo5 and Flash in a Bo3. That's pretty baller.


But...but...he never won a starleague...

On May 16 2011 02:43 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 01:37 Mirl wrote:
On May 16 2011 01:33 _Quasar_ wrote:
WTF Sea on 1st place? I vote ZerO... X_X

I think, honestly - Sea hasn't got the potential to win a SL. ZerO has.
The other one who has imho is Light, recently he shows that his TvP is improving, and his TvZ and TvT are already good.

Sea all match ups super solid and higher than 57%.How to you saying he hasnt got potential?

Because he fails miserably vs. big players like Stork, Bisu, Flash and Jaedong. ZerO doesn't (even against Jaedong, while ZvZ is his most shit match-up).

That's why I wrote he has no potential of winning a Starleague, because for this you need to be able to put down at least one of those players in bo5 or bo3, and I don't see how he does that to anyone of TBLS. X_X On the other hand ZerO fucking pwned Stork, going 5-0 in last matches vs. him, and beating him 3-0 in a series... =__=


You do know that before Stork was known for his insanely good PvT, he was infamous for his PvZ? He couldn't win a game even if his life depended on it. And he still isn't THAT good in PvZ (Although he did ALMOST beat JD in bo5), although there is no denying he is a great player
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
May 15 2011 18:01 GMT
#215
if more people voting knew about bw before 2010 midas, iris would have more votes
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 18:08:28
May 15 2011 18:07 GMT
#216
On May 16 2011 02:57 Mortician wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 02:39 reincremate wrote:
On May 16 2011 02:12 fruchtzergeis wrote:
worst player to ever win a starleague.... (P)Rock

He beat Jaedong in a Bo5 and Flash in a Bo3. That's pretty baller.


But...but...he never won a starleague...


Yo man, OGN StarChallenge is srs bznz. It's like winning an OSL almost.
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
May 15 2011 18:10 GMT
#217
I'd say Iris and Sea. Maybe Kal and Midas, too. Iris came in second twice and was cut off another shot (where he was the clear favorite) by the protoss and terran graveyard maps of the zerg era. Sea was consistently one of the top players for such a long time but never had any star league accomplishments sadly. Midas is an oldschool topdog but not long ago had very good results in PL and SL. Kal always falls against some top guys and I think he will as always come back soon and dominate most A class guys but I don't see him ever really being the top dog.
Jangbi and best had very short times where they were very good but have fallen so fast and hard that I can't really say they are top prospects. Zero's dominant times are just too short and he has his zvz achilles heel but maybe if he keeps it up for another year or so I may consider him worthy of a spot. Baby has to be a joke that he gets mentioned. In his best times he was considered a guy the top dogs have to watch out but really those were the times when most others were slumping a little and he has played only about half as many games as the guys I mentioned before.
Those are my thoughts^^ feel free to agree or disagree
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
May 15 2011 18:18 GMT
#218
Iris should have won 2 starleagues... in his prime he was just so good.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
May 15 2011 18:20 GMT
#219
On May 16 2011 03:18 triangle wrote:
Iris should have won 2 starleagues... in his prime he was just so good.


Well, Savior and GGplay were amazing as well, the only starleague he should have won is the one he got cheesed to death by his teammate, kwanro
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
FakePlasticLove
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States357 Posts
May 15 2011 20:22 GMT
#220
On May 16 2011 03:20 Mortician wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 03:18 triangle wrote:
Iris should have won 2 starleagues... in his prime he was just so good.


Well, Savior and GGplay were amazing as well, the only starleague he should have won is the one he got cheesed to death by his teammate, kwanro

Nah that belonged to Calm. But Iris should have made finals for a great TvZ final instead of Kwanro vs. Calm
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