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Best Player Never to Have Won A Starleague - Page 13

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Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
May 16 2011 16:40 GMT
#241
I voted for Ace (FBH, I'm a fanboy, not a rational choice), but I wish I could have seen type-b play more, he was just starting to get really good when he was banned (legitimately and rightly).

A lot of those players, however, are pretty memorable, and I suppose I would give honorable mention to Sea.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
Masheyoon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States781 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 17:01:24
May 16 2011 16:55 GMT
#242
You should've added Yellow anyway -- he probably would've finished 2nd as well. /burn



My vote goes to Jangbi. He was perhaps the most talented out of all those to have never won gold. Well, at least until late 2010, where he suffered a ridiculous 14-game loss streak. His slump is probably worse than Savior's ever was, but at least we've gotten to see a few glimpses of his former self with his recent victories over Sea and Sacsri.

In terms of consistency, I'd have to go with Sea, but Jangbi was such a monster back in his prime.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
May 16 2011 17:11 GMT
#243
Poor Sea just keeps getting run over by S-class players
Brood War loyalist
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
May 16 2011 17:13 GMT
#244
Of these, Sea by a couple miles. Light's close. Of all of them I'd say ZerO/Leta have the biggest upside still (aka are most likely to actually win one eventually).

I think free probably had the best skill peak (2008-ish) of any of the older non-SL winners, but I've got no read on where he really is these days. There was that amazing OSL run but otherwise it's been pretty much nothing lately.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
sCriv
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom90 Posts
May 16 2011 19:16 GMT
#245
On May 16 2011 10:58 Keone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 10:09 MageKirby wrote:
YELLOW. HOW THE HELL DO YOU GUYS FORGET.


Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 10:45 ConSenT wrote:
Yellow, obviously.


Sigh... please read post properly before posting... especially the big bolded all-caps sections T_T



Still Yellow o.o
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
May 16 2011 20:27 GMT
#246
With the Kong being inelegible it has to be Kal
Oh Kal
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Zamkis
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada114 Posts
May 16 2011 21:54 GMT
#247
I'm pretty sure it's Midas. I mean, being the only one that could challenge the Maestro at his peak sure deserves some credit.
Destruction is a work of an afternoon, Creation is a work of a lifetime.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
May 16 2011 21:54 GMT
#248
On May 17 2011 05:27 KlaCkoN wrote:
With the Kong being inelegible it has to be Kal
Oh Kal


that guy is so deserving!
Hi.
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
May 16 2011 22:32 GMT
#249
Gotta be Iris. Dude went toe to toe in bo5 with sAviOr in his bonjwa days, as well as many other achievments. One of the most fun to watch/agressive terrans too. The last time I closely followed a starleague I think was the one where he lost to Flash in the semi's and Flash went on to win it all, he put so much into that run. Infact now I think of it, wasn't he in 2 semi's at the same time and lost both? Sorry I can't be more specific ^_^.
#1 Kwanro[saM] fan!
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
May 17 2011 00:39 GMT
#250
Midas without a doubt really.
raviy
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia207 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 04:57:36
May 17 2011 04:57 GMT
#251
On May 17 2011 01:04 MageKirby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 10:58 Keone wrote:
On May 16 2011 10:09 MageKirby wrote:
YELLOW. HOW THE HELL DO YOU GUYS FORGET.


On May 16 2011 10:45 ConSenT wrote:
Yellow, obviously.


Sigh... please read post properly before posting... especially the big bolded all-caps sections T_T


I'm pretty sure Yellow is still playing o-o Just that he's not good enough anymore ;x


I know you just went to read OP again... but... read it one more time, especially ALL the bold, caps, and underlined parts.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 17 2011 05:53 GMT
#252
I'm surprised Sea is winning this poll. To me when you answer the question 'who is the best to never win a starleague,' you think of players who came close but couldn't get over the hump. Players who you can say 'they would have won a starleage if only...' Midas would have won a starleage if only Savior didn't exist. Best would have won a starleague if only he didn't suck at PvZ. Sea never even made a semifinal so it's not like he was ever really close.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
May 17 2011 06:12 GMT
#253
On May 17 2011 14:53 red4ce wrote:
I'm surprised Sea is winning this poll. To me when you answer the question 'who is the best to never win a starleague,' you think of players who came close but couldn't get over the hump. Players who you can say 'they would have won a starleage if only...' Midas would have won a starleage if only Savior didn't exist. Best would have won a starleague if only he didn't suck at PvZ. Sea never even made a semifinal so it's not like he was ever really close.

Sea would've won the korean air osl s2 if only he didnt have to face stork (great PvT at the time), then Jaedong and then Flash
Sea would've won the bigfile too if only he didn't have to play jaedong, light (who's light?), then flash.

If TBLS didn't exist, Sea may as well have been a dual finalist.
☺
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
May 17 2011 06:19 GMT
#254
Baby. The only person who could take on TBLS and people would give him a fair shot at winning. You put Sea in there, and I don't think many people would give him as much credit. Zero would also be a good choice.
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Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
May 17 2011 06:26 GMT
#255
I'm wondering how much of Sea's vote comes from being first on the poll. My bet is at least 1/3.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
Ubersturmfuhrer
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland206 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 08:04:40
May 17 2011 07:40 GMT
#256
I think Sea gets a lot of votes because:
1) he gets sympathy for being put into the group of Death
2) currently he's propably the best player on the list with 60% win rate
3) He seems to be a very humble and nice guy
4) You can understand the question to be about who is the best player at the moment to not have won a starleague. That would be Sea very likely.

Btw, why is yellow not on the list. I don't understand the reasoning here:
READ: You'll notice I purposely left out one very important person. This is because I cannot bear to let this person become #1 on a poll, which I know will happen. And as an eternal SCBW fan, I can't let that happen, can I?


Is the op confusing him with Savior? Or is he too obvious #1 choice for the list or what?

Edit: ok.. now I get it lol.
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger
MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
May 17 2011 07:50 GMT
#257
On May 17 2011 13:57 raviy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 01:04 MageKirby wrote:
On May 16 2011 10:58 Keone wrote:
On May 16 2011 10:09 MageKirby wrote:
YELLOW. HOW THE HELL DO YOU GUYS FORGET.


On May 16 2011 10:45 ConSenT wrote:
Yellow, obviously.


Sigh... please read post properly before posting... especially the big bolded all-caps sections T_T


I'm pretty sure Yellow is still playing o-o Just that he's not good enough anymore ;x


I know you just went to read OP again... but... read it one more time, especially ALL the bold, caps, and underlined parts.


Oh. Man, you guys don't trust us? Of course we'll make sure he gets 2nd again.
Alex)
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Scotland263 Posts
May 17 2011 08:02 GMT
#258
zero, hes a fucking excellent macro zerg i feel like he always get knocked out by some ZvZ or some other problem. I can understand team liquid voting for Sea though
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 08:18:00
May 17 2011 08:14 GMT
#259
I voted Zero because out of everyone on this list he's the only one I see as good enough to eventually win a starleague as well as being damn good for awhile and making pretty deep starleague runs. Also it seems over the last 3 years that any above average zerg can snatch a title (Calm, Hydra, Luxury, Effort but he is clearly better than the other three by a large margin).Otherwise it's clearly Jangbi, the only silver surfer left. Iris is a close third because he only got stopped by Savior and GGplay who had to go and redefine ZvT as we know it to beat him.
Remember Violet.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
May 17 2011 08:30 GMT
#260
Most KeSPA wins:

(Z)Jaedong 551전 376승 175패 68.2%
(T)NaDa 629전 375승 254패 59.6%
(T)Flash 479전 343승 136패 71.6%
(P)Stork 534전 321승 213패 60.1%
(P)Bisu 473전 306승 167패 64.7%
(T)Sea 423전 255승 168패 60.3%
(T)BoxeR 462전 253승 209패 54.8%
(Z)YellOw 414전 228승 186패 55.1%
(T)XellOs 398전 225승 173패 56.5%
(T)Light 381전 210승 171패 55.1%
(P)free 370전 209승 161패 56.5%
(P)Kal 376전 209승 167패 55.6%
(Z)July 372전 208승 164패 55.9%
(Z)iloveoov 334전 203승 131패 60.8%
(T)Fantasy 329전 201승 128패 61.1%

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