EPTOn May 18 2011 05:53 AlwaysGG wrote:
jangbi in current form I think he don't deserve a title
jangbi in current form I think he don't deserve a title
well that's an understatement
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
well that's an understatement | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
 Sea definitely deserves this dubious distinction... he's been a beloved and consistent player that simply have never gotten that big break in order to taste individual gold. He's sort of a pro team that always plays well during the regular season, goes to the playoffs but can never get out of the first round. His crown prince would definitely be Leta, another guy who did a lot for a middling team but also has had no individual sucess (we'll see how he does against Flash but you just know he's not likely to make it since he also have a 'choker' label) | ||
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dimitur4o
Bulgaria80 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:11 amazingoopah wrote: I think Sea definitely deserves this dubious distinction... he's been a beloved and consistent playerNot in individual leagues he hasn't, which is exactly why he doesn't fit this nomination. Sea has historically had an abysmal individual league record. Kal on the other hand has made quite a few ro8 and ro4 appearances these past 2 years. | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:34 moopie wrote: Not in individual leagues he hasn't, which is exactly why he doesn't fit this nomination. Sea has historically had an abysmal individual league record. Kal on the other hand has made quite a few ro8 and ro4 appearances these past 2 years. so is kwanro but no one is suggesting putting his name ... i guess i never really found kal able to take a starleague the only one i feel robbed from a starleague is either jangbi or leta leta for losing to cheesy luxury in a crazy b05 on the msl where flash and jaedong got out early and jangbi.... well in his prime he had what it takes to take out anyone (a side a competent zerg) | ||
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StateSC2
Korea (South)621 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
mOvie! especially that run in the ever osl. Despite losing to jaedong from a dongling runby, he crushed zero, and shine. Even took a game off flash. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Like I said before, next to FakeSteve, I'm Sea's biggest fan but considering the guy always had a habit of bowing out so early I cannot give him the nod. Iris has come close to winning a final on more than one occasion as several people have mentioned and Midas used to be a beast right next to XellOs. I can understand votes for Kal too, but even then Iris and Midas came a lot closer. Out of the active stars I would probably say Kal or ZerO. | ||
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
On May 26 2011 12:53 Release wrote: I just realized: mOvie! especially that run in the ever osl. Despite losing to jaedong from a dongling runby, he crushed zero, and shine. Even took a game off flash. I think Movie was lucky that he ran into a lot of Zergs, I think he would have gotten crushed by Stork in the ro4. | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
On May 26 2011 12:53 Release wrote: I just realized: mOvie! especially that run in the ever osl. Despite losing to jaedong from a dongling runby, he crushed zero, and shine. Even took a game off flash. It was a really lucky run tbh. The only reason that flash lost a game was because he didn't have one of his maphax scans on the stargates. Really, the only game that I remember from movie's entire run was that some heavy harass against flash on el nino. IMO, best player who never won a starleague is jangbi or midas in the past, zero now. | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 26 2011 13:20 KillerPlague wrote: no spanishiwa? No, I just don't think he's good enough. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On May 15 2011 04:31 Keone wrote: READ: You'll notice I purposely left out  one very important person. This is because I cannot bear to let this person become #1 on a poll, which I know will happen. And as an eternal SCBW fan, I can't let that happen, can I?psh. Like we'd let Yellow get anything but #2 on the poll. | ||
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SiCkO_
United States481 Posts
On May 26 2011 13:32 fusionsdf wrote: psh. Like we'd let Yellow get anything but #2 on the poll. I laughed Hysterically at this  Midas appeared to be the heir to the legacy of iloveoov and BoxeR yet he reached that level of dominance, Sea is close, but I felt like Midas was stronger at his peak, he just had the misfortune of peaking at a time where the current Bonjwa could play ZvT half asleep and still roll his opponents. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
I really think Iris should be considered | ||
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
On May 17 2011 09:39 Vasoline73 wrote: Midas without a doubt really. I'm pretty sure Midas is the correct answer (though I can see arguments for Iris and Jangbi). The guy is practically the unsung hero of Terran innovation, even in recent times. Along with iloveoov he established the pillars of standard play in TvP and TvZ at the least (FD - formerly referred to as the Midas Push - 1-Rax expand, etc.), and seems to receives absolutely no credit for several trends that he was onto before other players. The Incurit OSL (which saw the birth of the "Fantasy Build" and a new era of Mechanic in TvZ) actually featured Midas using Valkyries and pure mech army composition before Fantasy did. Midas was opening 1-Rax expo versus Protoss at the same time (if not sooner) than Flash was (around the time of the Ever 2009 OSL, to be clear). Midas was also one of the first Terrans (again, if not the first - I need to check the dates and specific games) to transition into full mechanic after playing a textbook bionic early and mid-game in 2010. For all of these things, Midas receives close to zero recognition. I have not even mentioned his powerful gameplay and impressive winning statistics during his prime. If I have time, I will look up individual games and some well-written articles that emphasize some of Midas' unrecognized achievements. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
.Think about it, he was Bisu's insurance. If he never faced Bisu, he might have won starleagues -_- On May 26 2011 13:04 StarStruck wrote: I don't know how Midas and Iris don't have more votes. :/ Like I said before, next to FakeSteve, I'm Sea's biggest fan but considering the guy always had a habit of bowing out so early I cannot give him the nod. Iris has come close to winning a final on more than one occasion as several people have mentioned and Midas used to be a beast right next to XellOs. I can understand votes for Kal too, but even then Iris and Midas came a lot closer. Out of the active stars I would probably say Kal or ZerO. Its the timing of this thread. was made after the Group of Death in the MSL (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Sea) People had sympathy for Sea cause he was placed into this group. | ||
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
On June 26 2011 10:36 Kenpachi wrote: I just remembered Hwasin .Think about it, he was Bisu's insurance. If he never faced Bisu, he might have won starleagues -_- Its the timing of this thread. was made after the Group of Death in the MSL (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Sea) People had sympathy for Sea cause he was placed into this group. You could probably make an argument for Hwasin as well. To our great disservice, however, he is no longer an active player. As far as Sea goes, I can understand the sympathy, in addition to the great rapport that he has developed with foreign fans, but I don't think those are reasons to vote for him as a player. | ||
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
United States322 Posts
On June 26 2011 10:23 KP_CollectoR wrote: I'm pretty sure Midas is the correct answer (though I can see arguments for Iris and Jangbi). The guy is practically the unsung hero of Terran innovation, even in recent times. Along with iloveoov he established the pillars of standard play in TvP and TvZ at the least (FD - formerly referred to as the Midas Push - 1-Rax expand, etc.), and seems to receives absolutely no credit for several trends that he was onto before other players. The Incurit OSL (which saw the birth of the "Fantasy Build" and a new era of Mechanic in TvZ) actually featured Midas using Valkyries and pure mech army composition before Fantasy did. While I agree with you for the most part about Midas, and this is true, I'm more inclined to congratulate the map Plasma for ushering in the mech and valkyrie revolution. What a fun little map it was, too. Midas was opening 1-Rax expo versus Protoss at the same time (if not sooner) than Flash was (around the time of the Ever 2009 OSL, to be clear). As far as I can see, Midas went Rax FE against Kal in Winners League last year at the end of January. + Show Spoiler [VOD] + UpMaGiC tried Rax FE a full year earlier, at the start of 2009, on a "standard" map (no back natural). On maps like Katrina, for example, he had tried weird Rax FEs after gas. + Show Spoiler [Note the commentators' surprise] + There may be some, but I can't remember off the top of my head any "standard" Rax FEs in TvP before this one. However, the point is that they were isolated experiments, and Flash was the one to eventually set the trend. Midas was also one of the first Terrans (again, if not the first - I need to check the dates and specific games) to transition into full mechanic after playing a textbook bionic early and mid-game in 2010. And here, Fantasy's game was an isolated experiment, and Midas was the one to set the trend. Throughout 2010, Midas and Sea were the only Terrans reliably mech switching in most of their games. For all of these things, Midas receives close to zero recognition. I have not even mentioned his powerful gameplay and impressive winning statistics during his prime. If I have time, I will look up individual games and some well-written articles that emphasize some of Midas' unrecognized achievements. I agree with you on this--Midas is the unsung SKT Terran. He's been very innovative, and I only wish he had been able to play more throughout 2009. I'm just glad he was finally able to find a place on FOX. | ||
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