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Best Player Never to Have Won A Starleague - Page 16

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almond
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
115 Posts
June 26 2011 04:12 GMT
#301
Let's hope FOX doesn't disband ;;

But I'd say Kal or Zero. (Zero just showed he can have good zvz)
The other players, even when they were playing well, had at least one shaky match-up.
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
June 26 2011 06:21 GMT
#302
I think you can argue that Zero or Sea is the better player... but Kal, hands down, has been most consistent in individual leagues without winning
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
June 26 2011 06:26 GMT
#303
Sea, he's the reason I became an MBC fan/
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
June 26 2011 08:20 GMT
#304
I hope ZerO does win a starleague and gets out of that list anyway.

About Sea and Kal I don't think they actually have a chance to... Oh well maybe Kal has (but he needs to stop sucking and get out of slump T_T)
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6175 Posts
June 26 2011 09:58 GMT
#305
Sea has massive fanbase and thus the poll is rigged. biased
naneri
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Kyrgyzstan165 Posts
June 26 2011 10:07 GMT
#306
Iris for sure
High APM is when your marine gets 3 stim packs instead of one.
UkGracken
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom129 Posts
June 26 2011 10:10 GMT
#307
I remember everyone back in the day saying Light would smash everyone in training and get nerves... that must suck!!
UK GRACKEN LETS GET CRACKING
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 10:31:19
June 26 2011 10:27 GMT
#308
For their respective races, it's pretty clearly Jangbi, Zero, and Iris. Sorry Sea fans, but he was never expected to be good in individual leagues anyhow. These other three put up amazing performances in individual leagues and only Zero can be considered a choker moreso than someone who just ran into other players who were too amazing (and even Zero had the misfortune of running into Flash). Sea is clearly a choker in individual leagues.

If I had to choose one it'd be Jangbi -- 2 silvers and about an entire year of completely disrupting TBLS as arguably the best player of the five when he was at his best, and that's why I put Jangbi ahead of Kal for protoss. Kal's been pretty consistently good, but I don't look at him and go "how did he never win a league?" like I do Jangbi.

I put Iris over Midas because, while both of them had the misfortune of running into Savior, Iris pushed forward to make another final and just happened to run into a zerg who wouldn't be denied a title in GGplay (Same can be said for Jangbi and Luxury).

There are tons of zergs who have been more consistent/better than Zero over a long period of time, but they all happened to win titles. Zero may very be the next random great zerg to win a title in the vein of Effort/Calm/Luxury/Hydra (I'm not saying they're bad, I'm saying there's a bunch of damn 1 title zergs around).
Remember Violet.
WinTerPriNce
Profile Joined January 2011
United States13 Posts
June 26 2011 10:50 GMT
#309
BISU BRO
bisu and stork GG PWNED
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
June 26 2011 11:07 GMT
#310
On June 26 2011 19:50 WinTerPriNce wrote:
BISU BRO


vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
June 26 2011 12:01 GMT
#311
On May 17 2011 20:44 ~chut~ wrote:
Best was a PvT wonder, abusing your easy match-up can help you become an undeserving winner just like Casy. thanks to July, it didn't happen!


You... do realize that July abused his ZvP to win that OSL, right? He played Rock, BackHo and BeSt from the Ro8 forward.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
June 26 2011 12:15 GMT
#312
JANGBI
GANDHISAUCE
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
June 26 2011 12:53 GMT
#313
On June 26 2011 20:07 hellbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 19:50 WinTerPriNce wrote:
BISU BRO



Ehh it's true if you wan't to be picky about what a starleague is... Bisu hasn't won an OSL.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 26 2011 12:54 GMT
#314
On June 26 2011 21:53 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 20:07 hellbound wrote:
On June 26 2011 19:50 WinTerPriNce wrote:
BISU BRO



Ehh it's true if you wan't to be picky about what a starleague is... Bisu hasn't won an OSL.


What does SL in MSL stand for?
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
June 26 2011 13:12 GMT
#315
On June 26 2011 21:54 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:53 ShadeR wrote:
On June 26 2011 20:07 hellbound wrote:
On June 26 2011 19:50 WinTerPriNce wrote:
BISU BRO



Ehh it's true if you wan't to be picky about what a starleague is... Bisu hasn't won an OSL.


What does SL in MSL stand for?


Starcraft League
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4721 Posts
June 26 2011 13:19 GMT
#316
On June 26 2011 19:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:
For their respective races, it's pretty clearly Jangbi, Zero, and Iris. Sorry Sea fans, but he was never expected to be good in individual leagues anyhow. These other three put up amazing performances in individual leagues and only Zero can be considered a choker moreso than someone who just ran into other players who were too amazing (and even Zero had the misfortune of running into Flash). Sea is clearly a choker in individual leagues.

If I had to choose one it'd be Jangbi -- 2 silvers and about an entire year of completely disrupting TBLS as arguably the best player of the five when he was at his best, and that's why I put Jangbi ahead of Kal for protoss. Kal's been pretty consistently good, but I don't look at him and go "how did he never win a league?" like I do Jangbi.


I completely agree with this, only that if I had to choose one, it would be Iris. His game 5 against Savior and the epic series against GGPlay, he was just too damn close and better over a longer period of time in my opinion.

"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 14:30:26
June 26 2011 14:29 GMT
#317
WTF WHERE'S YELLOW.

Edit:
Nvm, actually read the thread.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 26 2011 14:29 GMT
#318
WTF Where's your ability to read the entire OP
Remember Violet.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#319
On June 26 2011 21:54 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:53 ShadeR wrote:
On June 26 2011 20:07 hellbound wrote:
On June 26 2011 19:50 WinTerPriNce wrote:
BISU BRO



Ehh it's true if you wan't to be picky about what a starleague is... Bisu hasn't won an OSL.


What does SL in MSL stand for?


He's referring to the period when OGN trademarked/tried to trademark the term 'starleague,' so MBC couldn't use the word starleague for MSL.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
June 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#320
Why free get so little love =(
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
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