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ALLEYCAT BLUES51083 Posts
On April 27 2011 15:00 Game wrote:
Did you just use curse words as an attempt at an intelligent post and then call me out for not giving "constructive criticism"? Oh irony, where would we be without you?
SC2 took how many years to release? How many times have they tried to fix it? Jokes on you buddy.
curse words were used for emphasis.
took about 4 years in the dark without pros opinions..tried about 30 times so far...but so what..try and try until you succeed.
I called you out because you called SC2 a disgrace to BW which is as a matter of fact wrong.Yes it is a fact.I got nothing against you personally.
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On April 27 2011 15:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 21:19 Legatus Lanius wrote:
if he cared so much about the 'sport' aspect he wouldve just stuck to broodwar and ditched this sc2 crap. this is all about cashing in on bw's success
Um...duh? That's what sequels are for.
You could also say that BW was cashing in on SC1's success Haha yeah, he talked as if Blizzard doesn't own BW.
blizzard doesnt make nearly as much profit from bw as they do from sc2, and they make fuck all directly from bw progaming. they wouldnt have released some stripped down, gumby-friendly game afterwards if they werent going to make more money from it, and they wouldnt have done their best to destroy korean esports if they actually gave a fuck either
people have said it all throughout this thread. sc2 lacks macro, micro, interesting units etc etc. if blizzard wanted to release a casual game to make money, thats okay. but instead they are marketing it as an esport ( l o l) and trying to tear down the real esports scene.
so in essence:
-bw is a better game
-blizzard are fags
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I was an avid watcher of BW until SC2 came out. So yes, I do play and watch SC2, but I still watch my favorite player Free whenever he plays a good game. For me, I don't get the massive amount of BW fan's hate for SC2 and vice versa. I mean SC2 created a whole new esport scene in the international crowd. Whether it is just "hype" or not, it doesn't matter. For all esport watchers whether it is the BW community, the SC2 community or community from other RTS, this should be a good news as no other game was able to create this much audience/tourney in the international scene and having a good competitive foreign scene is always great.
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On April 27 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 15:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 25 2011 21:19 Legatus Lanius wrote:
if he cared so much about the 'sport' aspect he wouldve just stuck to broodwar and ditched this sc2 crap. this is all about cashing in on bw's success
Um...duh? That's what sequels are for.
You could also say that BW was cashing in on SC1's success Haha yeah, he talked as if Blizzard doesn't own BW. blizzard doesnt make nearly as much profit from bw as they do from sc2, and they make fuck all directly from bw progaming. they wouldnt have released some stripped down, gumby-friendly game afterwards if they werent going to make more money from it, and they wouldnt have done their best to destroy korean esports if they actually gave a fuck either people have said it all throughout this thread. sc2 lacks macro, micro, interesting units etc etc. if blizzard wanted to release a casual game to make money, thats okay. but instead they are marketing it as an esport ( l o l) and trying to tear down the real esports scene. so in essence: -bw is a better game
-blizzard are fags
words of wisdom!
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51083 Posts
On April 27 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 15:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 25 2011 21:19 Legatus Lanius wrote:
if he cared so much about the 'sport' aspect he wouldve just stuck to broodwar and ditched this sc2 crap. this is all about cashing in on bw's success
Um...duh? That's what sequels are for.
You could also say that BW was cashing in on SC1's success Haha yeah, he talked as if Blizzard doesn't own BW. blizzard doesnt make nearly as much profit from bw as they do from sc2, and they make fuck all directly from bw progaming. they wouldnt have released some stripped down, gumby-friendly game afterwards if they werent going to make more money from it, and they wouldnt have done their best to destroy korean esports if they actually gave a fuck either people have said it all throughout this thread. sc2 lacks macro, micro, interesting units etc etc. if blizzard wanted to release a casual game to make money, thats okay. but instead they are marketing it as an esport ( l o l) and trying to tear down the real esports scene. so in essence: -bw is a better game
-blizzard are fags
I've only been speaking of the future but at the present this is so true.
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On April 27 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 15:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 25 2011 21:19 Legatus Lanius wrote:
if he cared so much about the 'sport' aspect he wouldve just stuck to broodwar and ditched this sc2 crap. this is all about cashing in on bw's success
Um...duh? That's what sequels are for.
You could also say that BW was cashing in on SC1's success Haha yeah, he talked as if Blizzard doesn't own BW. blizzard doesnt make nearly as much profit from bw as they do from sc2, and they make fuck all directly from bw progaming. they wouldnt have released some stripped down, gumby-friendly game afterwards if they werent going to make more money from it, and they wouldnt have done their best to destroy korean esports if they actually gave a fuck either people have said it all throughout this thread. sc2 lacks macro, micro, interesting units etc etc. if blizzard wanted to release a casual game to make money, thats okay. but instead they are marketing it as an esport ( l o l) and trying to tear down the real esports scene. so in essence: -bw is a better game -blizzard are fags
This is a thread-ender. Nicely done sir.
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On April 27 2011 15:49 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:On April 27 2011 15:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 25 2011 21:19 Legatus Lanius wrote:
if he cared so much about the 'sport' aspect he wouldve just stuck to broodwar and ditched this sc2 crap. this is all about cashing in on bw's success
Um...duh? That's what sequels are for.
You could also say that BW was cashing in on SC1's success Haha yeah, he talked as if Blizzard doesn't own BW. blizzard doesnt make nearly as much profit from bw as they do from sc2, and they make fuck all directly from bw progaming. they wouldnt have released some stripped down, gumby-friendly game afterwards if they werent going to make more money from it, and they wouldnt have done their best to destroy korean esports if they actually gave a fuck either people have said it all throughout this thread. sc2 lacks macro, micro, interesting units etc etc. if blizzard wanted to release a casual game to make money, thats okay. but instead they are marketing it as an esport ( l o l) and trying to tear down the real esports scene. so in essence: -bw is a better game
-blizzard are fags I've only been speaking of the future but at the present this is so true.
Why talk about the future like it's bound to happen? Having blind faith in what blizzard is doing is just wrong. With all the community running for almost a decade, they could have at least gave the community something great.
The community made BW great, let the community handle SC2, let Blizzard add their shit in the coming patches/expansions, the community will adapt! Balancing games to the point of oblivion like what they did for TFT, that will be the ultimate doom for SC2, regardless of the coming expansions. I mean, if they add something up and still balance it heavily, whats the point? They aren't playing the game! We are!
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51083 Posts
On April 27 2011 17:17 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 15:49 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 27 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:On April 27 2011 15:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 25 2011 21:19 Legatus Lanius wrote:
if he cared so much about the 'sport' aspect he wouldve just stuck to broodwar and ditched this sc2 crap. this is all about cashing in on bw's success
Um...duh? That's what sequels are for.
You could also say that BW was cashing in on SC1's success Haha yeah, he talked as if Blizzard doesn't own BW. blizzard doesnt make nearly as much profit from bw as they do from sc2, and they make fuck all directly from bw progaming. they wouldnt have released some stripped down, gumby-friendly game afterwards if they werent going to make more money from it, and they wouldnt have done their best to destroy korean esports if they actually gave a fuck either people have said it all throughout this thread. sc2 lacks macro, micro, interesting units etc etc. if blizzard wanted to release a casual game to make money, thats okay. but instead they are marketing it as an esport ( l o l) and trying to tear down the real esports scene. so in essence: -bw is a better game
-blizzard are fags I've only been speaking of the future but at the present this is so true. Why talk about the future like it's bound to happen? Having blind faith in what blizzard is doing is just wrong. With all the community running for almost a decade, they could have at least gave the community something great. The community made BW great, let the community handle SC2, let Blizzard add their shit in the coming patches/expansions, the community will adapt! Balancing games to the point of oblivion like what they did for TFT, that will be the ultimate doom for SC2, regardless of the coming expansions. I mean, if they add something up and still balance it heavily, whats the point? They aren't playing the game! We are!
don't worry I'm not looking that far into the future either...I'm just accounting the inevitable patches that happen along the way.
I want them to leave the game alone but 2 expansions over 3-4 years...doesn't seem like thats happening.
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how do you wanna make a game that is competitive an fun, letting out the competitive and fun part... lol
Competitive : Reaver Micro, Mutalisk control, Vultures patrol micro + spidermines, defilers, lurkers,...
Not competitive / no fun : 1a
i can understand the mechanics and the all-in-one-group crap... but no highly micro management units?... dude please... how difficult is to make a baneling explode? remove that shit, we want some lurkers...
+ Show Spoiler + Reapers and stalkers are ok, gotta give them that one.
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Just realised that this is in the BW section but dustin browder has absolutely nothing to do with BW, should really be in the sc2 forum.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On April 27 2011 18:36 frodoguy wrote:
Just realised that this is in the BW section but dustin browder has absolutely nothing to do with BW, should really be in the sc2 forum.
On April 25 2011 21:02 Miwyfe wrote:Starcraft 2s lead designer, Dustin Browder talks about the challenging experience that creating Starcraft 2 was for him. He acknowledges the difficulties in understanding that Broodwar was much more complex than he had anticipated. Mr Browder talks of the idea that it took him a year and a half to understand certain principles to make Broodwars 'sucessor'. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/34075/Interview_Making_The_Fun_Meant_Taking_Out_The_Fun_In_StarCraft_II.phpWhat are your opinions on this article? Im not sure what to think yet.
It has to do with both games, I don't see why it should not be posted here aswell.
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On April 27 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 15:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 25 2011 21:19 Legatus Lanius wrote:
if he cared so much about the 'sport' aspect he wouldve just stuck to broodwar and ditched this sc2 crap. this is all about cashing in on bw's success
Um...duh? That's what sequels are for.
You could also say that BW was cashing in on SC1's success Haha yeah, he talked as if Blizzard doesn't own BW. blizzard doesnt make nearly as much profit from bw as they do from sc2, and they make fuck all directly from bw progaming. they wouldnt have released some stripped down, gumby-friendly game afterwards if they werent going to make more money from it, and they wouldnt have done their best to destroy korean esports if they actually gave a fuck either people have said it all throughout this thread. sc2 lacks macro, micro, interesting units etc etc. if blizzard wanted to release a casual game to make money, thats okay. but instead they are marketing it as an esport ( l o l) and trying to tear down the real esports scene. so in essence: -bw is a better game -blizzard are fags
word...
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On April 27 2011 18:37 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 18:36 frodoguy wrote:
Just realised that this is in the BW section but dustin browder has absolutely nothing to do with BW, should really be in the sc2 forum. It has to do with both games, I don't see why it should not be posted here aswell.
Why was he made lead designer if he didn't understood BW at all?? You would think Blizzard would hire someone more knowledgeable about the Scene and BW in general.
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Flamings and SC2 vs BW aside, I think SC2 is at least much better than the other alternative RTS games out there despite not being as good as BW.
Is there anyone here who would argue that Age of Empires, Command and Conquer, Supreme Commander, Dawn of War, Warcraft 3, or any other game should be worthy enough to take the mantle of THE RTS e-sport in the West?
I think SC2 stands in that awkward position right below the shining god that is BW yet still above the sea of other lesser RTSes.
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On April 27 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 15:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 25 2011 21:19 Legatus Lanius wrote:
if he cared so much about the 'sport' aspect he wouldve just stuck to broodwar and ditched this sc2 crap. this is all about cashing in on bw's success
Um...duh? That's what sequels are for.
You could also say that BW was cashing in on SC1's success Haha yeah, he talked as if Blizzard doesn't own BW. blizzard doesnt make nearly as much profit from bw as they do from sc2, and they make fuck all directly from bw progaming. they wouldnt have released some stripped down, gumby-friendly game afterwards if they werent going to make more money from it, and they wouldnt have done their best to destroy korean esports if they actually gave a fuck either people have said it all throughout this thread. sc2 lacks macro, micro, interesting units etc etc. if blizzard wanted to release a casual game to make money, thats okay. but instead they are marketing it as an esport ( l o l) and trying to tear down the real esports scene. so in essence: -bw is a better game -blizzard are fags
My thoughts exactly. I was really disappointed at how easy Starcraft 2 is.
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I think forcing eSports in the development in the game wasn't necessarily bad, it made sure that the game would still be competitive enough to have the current pro-scene. I honestly expected Blizzard to go all out and create heroes/new races after WC3 and WOW. While I think most would agree that SC2 isn't as great as BW, it's still enough to bring in a mass of casual viewers we see today in the SC2 section.
I think the biggest difference between SC2 and BW is just how accessible the scene is. I've always had trouble explaining to my friends the greatness that was Starcraft back in BW, as it's sorta a niche interest only in Korea. You have to know the game to understand what is going on, stay up late to watch the games live, rely on translations to even read about the Korean players, etc. Now it's incredibly simple to just show some VOD that has English commentary or just show whatever is streaming, and I have gotten friends and my sister into Starcraft through SC2.
So yeah, good for casuals, bad for hardcores. I think I'm the most disappointed in TvP in SC2 as a Terran player. I'm also clueless with SC2's future in Korea as it seems to be growing, but it still can't touch the BW scene.
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On April 27 2011 19:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
Flamings and SC2 vs BW aside, I think SC2 is at least much better than the other alternative RTS games out there despite not being as good as BW.
Is there anyone here who would argue that Age of Empires, Command and Conquer, Supreme Commander, Dawn of War, Warcraft 3, or any other game should be worthy enough to take the mantle of THE RTS e-sport in the West?
I think SC2 stands in that awkward position right below the shining god that is BW yet still above the sea of other lesser RTSes.
Uh I think that SC2 is every bit as generic as the RTS you mentioned.
It does however have STARCRAFT in its name so it's pretty much bound to succeed to some extent.
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Personally i feel WC3 (especially The Frozen Throne) was a better game. There were many innovations, most of them are interesting (heroes, aura, armor type, etc)..
Trying too hard to make a "balanced" game from the get-go intead of an interesting one has costed Blizz this title imo..
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I miss some old units too, but I think many people in this thread haven't been following SC2 that much...
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Call me crazy, but I think if "Starcraft" wasn't in the title, and some less renowned developer had made it, SC2 would have already fallen by the wayside as just another RTS.
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