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On February 05 2011 16:18 aru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 16:08 theramstoss wrote:
I think the best players make around 300k (flash etc), especially counting all endorsements and individual leagues (I dont think it's at a million). But that still doesnt compare to sc2 right now, imagine if a bonjwa emerged, he could potentially win 10 out of the 12 tourneys as they dont overlap with each other, which would amount to like a million. Flash is rumoured to make 300k salary with performance bonuses. Individual leagues and endorsements probably get him much more. Also, GSL lowered the prize money of their "regular" tournaments to 50m won and they don't even have 12 GSLs a year anymore.
Can you link me to where it says they will have less than 12 GSL's a year?
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On February 05 2011 16:33 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 15:59 Ideas wrote:On February 05 2011 15:57 gen.Sun wrote:
The Econ r different.
Bw winneres don't enev keep their winnings, prize money's, they all go to the team. But they get paid in so many other ways that they End up much better comp than sc2 players. For example they could be paid per pro league win. Bit that varies from contract to contract so in the end we have no idea how much they're paid. But flash prob makes a million a year. im 99% sure that players get to keep their individual league winnings lol edit - i dont think anyone makes over 200k a year (even flash/bisu). i think nada made the most ever on a contract after he won the golden mouse, which was like 250k a year. It was pretty big news if i remember correctly. Actually, Milkis posted the salaries recently: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142342Flash for example, makes 250 million won a year, which is above 200k a year. That's ignoring his bonuses from PL and his SL winnings, considering he won 4 golds which are 35k and 2 silvers(35k) he made about 400k USD last year ( without PL winnings, WCG winnings, extra bonuses, special events) If you do it for JD, he got approx 285k, that's pretty impressive too. Edit: Bisu also has a pretty decent salary for PL alone, but he isnt winning many tourneys. The top players make a decent amount of money, however it goes down logarithmically from there, there is no reason for JD/Flash to switch, but there are plenty of reasons for the average A-teamer to.
Funny post in August 2010: "Bisu salary is indeed too high ... it will get lower when his contract expires."
ahaha not anymore! with the way bisu has been raping.
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On February 05 2011 16:19 GTR wrote:
unlike sc2, bw players get appearance fees (players actually went on strike in 2003 to get these).
SC2 players do get paid salaries...
On February 01 2011 14:10 JunkkaGom wrote:
I just don't see why people make so much fuss about the prize pool. Sure, the money for 1st place is half the open season and runner up recieved 2/3 of the money in open season. BUT the prize pool for Ro16~32 has gone up considerably. Also Code S players get paid salary regardless of their result. We do not cut prize pool because of our budget, as all prize money comes from sponsors.
Overall if you combine Code A and Code S the total prize pool is pretty much the same as Open seasons.
this is a quote of one of the GOM staff members(John).
Obviously anyone would expect Bacchus to not have a high prize pool.
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On February 05 2011 16:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 16:19 GTR wrote:
unlike sc2, bw players get appearance fees (players actually went on strike in 2003 to get these). SC2 players do get paid salaries...
I'm not completely sure, but I think the appearance fees GTR is talking about is different from a salary. To my understanding, you'd get paid your base salary no matter what, and for each appearance you make in a PL game, you'd earn a small bonus on top of your regular salary.
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Wow interesting. Is it a secret as to how much (the salaries for sc2 players from GOM)?
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On February 05 2011 16:33 samachking wrote:
Edit: Bisu also has a pretty decent salary for PL alone, but he isnt winning many tourneys. The top players make a decent amount of money, however it goes down logarithmically from there, there is no reason for JD/Flash to switch, but there are plenty of reasons for the average A-teamer to.
If every A-Teamer switch i hardly doubt they will get more money. Only the Code-S player have chance of good money.
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Isn't it like 500 bucks lol. For code s. I'm pretty sure flash makes a million. For any kind of celebrity bonus and endorsement is order of magnitude more than base salary.
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On February 05 2011 16:59 Quarz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 16:33 samachking wrote:
Edit: Bisu also has a pretty decent salary for PL alone, but he isnt winning many tourneys. The top players make a decent amount of money, however it goes down logarithmically from there, there is no reason for JD/Flash to switch, but there are plenty of reasons for the average A-teamer to. If every A-Teamer switch i hardly doubt they will get more money. Only the Code-S player have chance of good money.
Well MVP was a less than 50% winrate A-teamer and he seems to have done well.
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On February 05 2011 16:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 16:19 GTR wrote:
unlike sc2, bw players get appearance fees (players actually went on strike in 2003 to get these). SC2 players do get paid salaries... Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 14:10 JunkkaGom wrote:
I just don't see why people make so much fuss about the prize pool. Sure, the money for 1st place is half the open season and runner up recieved 2/3 of the money in open season. BUT the prize pool for Ro16~32 has gone up considerably. Also Code S players get paid salary regardless of their result. We do not cut prize pool because of our budget, as all prize money comes from sponsors.
Overall if you combine Code A and Code S the total prize pool is pretty much the same as Open seasons. this is a quote of one of the GOM staff members(John).
Obviously anyone would expect Bacchus to not have a high prize pool.
i don't think they literally get paid a salary. if you loose in the first round you make a little over 1000usd. so its kinda like a salary.
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On February 05 2011 17:09 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 16:59 Quarz wrote:On February 05 2011 16:33 samachking wrote:
Edit: Bisu also has a pretty decent salary for PL alone, but he isnt winning many tourneys. The top players make a decent amount of money, however it goes down logarithmically from there, there is no reason for JD/Flash to switch, but there are plenty of reasons for the average A-teamer to. If every A-Teamer switch i hardly doubt they will get more money. Only the Code-S player have chance of good money. Well MVP was a less than 50% winrate A-teamer and he seems to have done well.
Think that depends on the person as they are different games. Julyzerg isnt doing too hot..
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On February 05 2011 17:21 theramstoss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 17:09 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 05 2011 16:59 Quarz wrote:On February 05 2011 16:33 samachking wrote:
Edit: Bisu also has a pretty decent salary for PL alone, but he isnt winning many tourneys. The top players make a decent amount of money, however it goes down logarithmically from there, there is no reason for JD/Flash to switch, but there are plenty of reasons for the average A-teamer to. If every A-Teamer switch i hardly doubt they will get more money. Only the Code-S player have chance of good money. Well MVP was a less than 50% winrate A-teamer and he seems to have done well. Think that depends on the person as they are different games. Julyzerg isnt doing too hot..
MVP was the most talented progamer to make the switch, beating Flash once in a straight up game and evolving into a solid player before he switched.
July is washed up, couldn't even get a single PL appearance last year.
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On February 05 2011 17:21 theramstoss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 17:09 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 05 2011 16:59 Quarz wrote:On February 05 2011 16:33 samachking wrote:
Edit: Bisu also has a pretty decent salary for PL alone, but he isnt winning many tourneys. The top players make a decent amount of money, however it goes down logarithmically from there, there is no reason for JD/Flash to switch, but there are plenty of reasons for the average A-teamer to. If every A-Teamer switch i hardly doubt they will get more money. Only the Code-S player have chance of good money. Well MVP was a less than 50% winrate A-teamer and he seems to have done well. Think that depends on the person as they are different games. Julyzerg isnt doing too hot..
Julyzerg wasn't an A-teamer either. He had decent ZvP for a while, but sucked at everything else, and STX only sent him out a few times.
Edit: Julyzerg was also the worst zerg in his team, and he wouldnt be played over Calm/Modesty/Hero, whileas MVP was the best Woongjin Terran( Granted woongjin terrans are terrible, but at least he played in PL while it was mandatory to field terrans.)
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On February 05 2011 17:21 theramstoss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 17:09 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 05 2011 16:59 Quarz wrote:On February 05 2011 16:33 samachking wrote:
Edit: Bisu also has a pretty decent salary for PL alone, but he isnt winning many tourneys. The top players make a decent amount of money, however it goes down logarithmically from there, there is no reason for JD/Flash to switch, but there are plenty of reasons for the average A-teamer to. If every A-Teamer switch i hardly doubt they will get more money. Only the Code-S player have chance of good money. Well MVP was a less than 50% winrate A-teamer and he seems to have done well. Think that depends on the person as they are different games. Julyzerg isnt doing too hot..
JulyZerg wasn't even A-team anymore at the time of the switch, but B-team. B-team doesn't get fielded on the PL games except for rare occurrences, while A-team are regulars. MVP was a regularly on the roster for PL, I can't remember the last time JulyZerg played for STX.
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On February 05 2011 16:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 16:19 GTR wrote:
unlike sc2, bw players get appearance fees (players actually went on strike in 2003 to get these). SC2 players do get paid salaries... Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 14:10 JunkkaGom wrote:
I just don't see why people make so much fuss about the prize pool. Sure, the money for 1st place is half the open season and runner up recieved 2/3 of the money in open season. BUT the prize pool for Ro16~32 has gone up considerably. Also Code S players get paid salary regardless of their result. We do not cut prize pool because of our budget, as all prize money comes from sponsors.
Overall if you combine Code A and Code S the total prize pool is pretty much the same as Open seasons. this is a quote of one of the GOM staff members(John).
What exactly does "salary" mean in SC2? I would need the stats on this one. No stats, no evidence.
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I was referring to Julyzerg's talent in his prime (which I don't think you can argue against, he has a golden mouse samachking if you didn't know. He also won his last OSL in 2008, which isn't that long ago..). But I guess his status at the time of the switch matters too. But then there's people like Nestea (and also MC), who was a mediocre player then coach.
But with regards to july, the difference between people in how well it translates played a role. I remember in an intervew July said that he lost so many games in a row (9?) in public rooms in sc2 since he started.
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On February 05 2011 17:09 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 16:59 Quarz wrote:On February 05 2011 16:33 samachking wrote:
Edit: Bisu also has a pretty decent salary for PL alone, but he isnt winning many tourneys. The top players make a decent amount of money, however it goes down logarithmically from there, there is no reason for JD/Flash to switch, but there are plenty of reasons for the average A-teamer to. If every A-Teamer switch i hardly doubt they will get more money. Only the Code-S player have chance of good money. Well MVP was a less than 50% winrate A-teamer and he seems to have done well.
I mean, if 15 A-Teamers switch, then there is the same prize money, so if more switch the competition gets tighter and some will lose. MVP is lucky that he is the only notable A-Teamer that have switched.
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On February 05 2011 18:18 theramstoss wrote:
I was referring to Julyzerg's talent in his prime (which I don't think you can argue against, he has a golden mouse samachking if you didn't know. He also won his last OSL in 2008, which isn't that long ago..). But I guess his status at the time of the switch matters too. But then there's people like Nestea (and also MC), who was a mediocre player then coach.
But with regards to july, the difference between people in how well it translates played a role. I remember in an intervew July said that he lost so many games in a row (9?) in public rooms in sc2 since he started.
His OSL run was a fluke, he had BO wins in the ro36, played well in his ZvZ group, got the 3 worst PvZ players of all time who somehow fluked their way into the ro8/ro4/finals, I'm talking about you Backho and Rock. I cannot deny his talent in his prime, but current performance and status before that matters, and his last stand was his last performance in the 3rd season of GOM, he played a strong series vs Flash where Flash turned into a god in 2009. He wasn't a bad player, just not good enough to be fielded as a player with 3 better zergs in his team.
Edit: Anyways, this is off topic, sorry for derailing the topic.
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On February 05 2011 16:36 theramstoss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 16:18 aru wrote:On February 05 2011 16:08 theramstoss wrote:
I think the best players make around 300k (flash etc), especially counting all endorsements and individual leagues (I dont think it's at a million). But that still doesnt compare to sc2 right now, imagine if a bonjwa emerged, he could potentially win 10 out of the 12 tourneys as they dont overlap with each other, which would amount to like a million. Flash is rumoured to make 300k salary with performance bonuses. Individual leagues and endorsements probably get him much more. Also, GSL lowered the prize money of their "regular" tournaments to 50m won and they don't even have 12 GSLs a year anymore. Can you link me to where it says they will have less than 12 GSL's a year?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190136
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On February 05 2011 18:46 aru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 16:36 theramstoss wrote:On February 05 2011 16:18 aru wrote:On February 05 2011 16:08 theramstoss wrote:
I think the best players make around 300k (flash etc), especially counting all endorsements and individual leagues (I dont think it's at a million). But that still doesnt compare to sc2 right now, imagine if a bonjwa emerged, he could potentially win 10 out of the 12 tourneys as they dont overlap with each other, which would amount to like a million. Flash is rumoured to make 300k salary with performance bonuses. Individual leagues and endorsements probably get him much more. Also, GSL lowered the prize money of their "regular" tournaments to 50m won and they don't even have 12 GSLs a year anymore. Can you link me to where it says they will have less than 12 GSL's a year? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190136
wow.. so that's pretty much the same as sc1 now, except minus the team salaries.
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