[Interviews] MSL Ro8 Day 2 Winners - Page 3

Armathai

1023 Posts

January 28 2011 00:33 GMT

#41

Thanks for the translation! Interviews were awesome.
Snow really did play amazingly and had me really worried, luckily JD pulled through tho.

I'm pretty disappointed with Stork, I was hoping he'd pull through so we could have JD vs Stork finals

Zeros still my second fav Zerg after JD, but I just don't think his ZvZ is up to par compared to his other two matchups.

Anyway, looking forward to the future! JD BONJWA!

Z3kk

4099 Posts

January 28 2011 00:34 GMT

#42

So would you guys say it was Stork played poorly, or Zero played well? Ratings for each player (for each set maybe? :3)

I was devastated to see Stork lose...I was also rooting for Federer and I woke up to see that both of them were 3-0'd hard. T_____T Both apparently(?) also came back strong in the 2nd "set" but lost anyway...ugh...disappointed in Stork and Federer equally as I thought it was both their time to shine in the finals... OSL won't even be that amazing because either Stork wins with SvT, or Fanta just pulls off an upset and Stork loses, which is terrible in and of itself.

GG Zero and Jaedong, but definitely Jaedong for MSL gold!! :D

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

January 28 2011 00:37 GMT

#43

Didn't see Stork vs ZerO, but here's what I think of Snow vs Jaedong:

Set 1:
Snow 1.5/5
Jaedong 3/5

Set 2:
Snow 4/5
Jaedong 2.5/5

Set 3:
Snow 2/5
Jaedong 3.5/5

Set 4:
Snow 4.5/5
Jaedong 3/5

Set 5:
Snow 4/5
Jaedong 5/5

GoTuNk!

Chile4591 Posts

January 28 2011 00:42 GMT

#44

+ Show Spoiler +

I disagree with the above post. The quality of last 4 games was ridicously high; both players might look up sloppy cause harras requires lots of multitask and obv trolles the zerg. Also haters saying jd just needed more scourges its nonsence; snow built many sairs on all games and always cleared the path with sairs before storming. On game 5 snow play ridicously well (harrass, good storms, reavers with main army) and would have won prolly on any smaller map. That said, JD played very good as well.

The only problem i'm having lately is that I finally like the progamers who are actually winning (Flash is losing) and i'm not sure who to root for. Hope either JD or Zero win this. Would love to watch more Zero vs P/T in bo5 =(.

Ornithorynquez

430 Posts

January 28 2011 00:45 GMT

#45

"and thanks to Killer for giving me advice on builds."

HAHAHA, this one is priceless :D

qrs

United States3637 Posts

January 28 2011 00:46 GMT

#46

I disagree with jalstar's rating for set three: I would rate that more like
Snow 2.5/5 (decent try, but could not avoid getting steamrolled)
JD 5/5 (dominated)

For the Stork/Zero games, some rough ratings:

Set 1:
Zero 5/5 (for clever build)
Stork 3/5 (played all right but was completely fooled by Zero)

Set 2:
Zero 3/5
Stork 1.5/5 (honestly hard to rate this; both had risky and utterly bizarre builds; Stork ended up getting crushed badly)

Set 3:
Zero 4/5 (opening didn't pan out the way he hoped; adapted and played very well all game)
Stork 2/5 (by this point Stork looked like he was just waiting to get out of the series)

Z3kk

4099 Posts

January 28 2011 01:07 GMT

#47

So consensus is that last 4 games of JD vs Snow were very, very high quality, while Stork essentially played terribly throughout the series against Zero? :'(

So much for Stork not appearing in SPL because he wanted to practice...T_T

Gummy

United States2180 Posts

January 28 2011 01:12 GMT

#48

I thought games 4 and 5 were really good. Games 2 and 3 were both decided by critical stupid mistakes though, i.e. JD's hyperaggression at the front instead of expanding behind a contain... Snow's repeated attempts to take his 3rd without any defense, and then overreaction with the 3rd stargate. I thought games 4 and 5 were some of the best play I've ever seen. Though the outcome of game 5 can arguably be said to have resulted from a poor choice by Snow to base trade on such a big map...

Random_0

United States1163 Posts

January 28 2011 01:21 GMT

#49

I have no idea how Snow lost game 5. Up 5 bases to 4, big roaming army. Every tech tree branch filled out.

Maybe Jaedong really does cheat.

Lucumo

6850 Posts

January 28 2011 01:27 GMT

#50

On January 28 2011 10:12 Gummy wrote:
I thought games 4 and 5 were really good. Games 2 and 3 were both decided by critical stupid mistakes though, i.e. JD's hyperaggression at the front instead of expanding behind a contain... Snow's repeated attempts to take his 3rd without any defense, and then overreaction with the 3rd stargate. I thought games 4 and 5 were some of the best play I've ever seen. Though the outcome of game 5 can arguably be said to have resulted from a poor choice by Snow to base trade on such a big map...

Game 2 was fine imo. His decision-making wasn't bad and he lost the game because of one single scarab. Even with Snow's awesome control and placement, Jaedong eventually broke the defense. Would have preferred a 3-0 sweep but at least he won.

Also, ignore jalstar.

Goragoth

New Zealand1065 Posts

January 28 2011 01:28 GMT

#51

I think it is often impossible to tell if a player wins because he played well, or the other player simply played badly. A good player playing well can make another player look bad with fantastic play. It really is all relative.

I do question Stork's decision to play such a risky build on Benzene though, being behind already and on a map that is good for Protoss he should have stuck to standard play to give himself the best chance in that series.

As for game 2 of JD vs Snow, it wasn't badly played by JD at all. His killer instinct and willingness to really go all-in when he goes all-in (not some half-hearted BS we sometimes see from pros) is one of the things that makes him such a strong player. He was very, very close to winning the game too, it was Snow's absolutely clutch reaver defence that won the game for him (mad props for that!). One dud scarab at the wrong time or one slightly to slow reactions pulling back the reaver and I think he would have lost that for sure.

Jugan

United States1566 Posts

January 28 2011 01:33 GMT

#52

The dream of double silver, dashed by he has has zero.

Agrajag

Sweden38 Posts

January 28 2011 10:47 GMT

#53

I agree with Lucumo and Goragoth. Maybe if JD was playing at his absolute peak, he would dominate with 3-0. But all the games were close, and they both played at an extremely high level. Maybe JD could have practiced harder, and I felt like he under rated Snow a bit. I can only assume that's why he was disappointed - he found himself at a disadvantage in the mind games, when Snow turned out to play better than ever.

But not practising hard for a match that you're by far the favourite to win is a natural, and often strategic thing to do. Almost everybody expected JD to have a much easier fight than he did, and Snow really was playing much better than anybody thought he would. If Snow hadn't played that well, not practising so much would have been the best strategy for JD. It's impossible to practise for every game as if it's going to be the OSL finals.

In regards to game 2, in retrospect the best option for JD would probably have been to snipe the nexus. But I remember as I was watching it that I thought JD was being clever for walking past the nexus and going for the kill - it looked to me like he had it. It would also have looked equally bad if JD had tried to kill the nexus, but failed, and there was no way of knowing in advance if that could happen.

And I think it's incredible that JD even managed to break the natural to begin with, because Snow showed some of the best reaver control that I've ever seen. I don't think it was JD's fault that he lost so much to the reaver, but rather skill on Snow's behalf, to make it turn out that way. His reaver play throughout the whole series was amazing. And had those reavers had 30 kills instead of 35, JD would have rolled right over him.

Elroi

Sweden5617 Posts

January 28 2011 11:31 GMT

#54

On January 28 2011 09:37 jalstar wrote:
Didn't see Stork vs ZerO, but here's what I think of Snow vs Jaedong:

Set 1:
Snow 1.5/5
Jaedong 3/5

Set 2:
Snow 4/5
Jaedong 2.5/5

Set 3:
Snow 2/5
Jaedong 3.5/5

Set 4:
Snow 4.5/5
Jaedong 3/5

Set 5:
Snow 4/5
Jaedong 5/5

You think Jaedong should have expected the best reaver micro in the world in game 2? If he had broken Snow there, he would have looked very dominant. He did micro mistakes that cost him the game, but 2.5 is an very low rating imo. The same thing goes for Snow in game 1: he played great, but got his first shuttle killed by scourge. If the scourge wasn't exactly there at that exact moment, he would have had a good game. In conclusion: your rating is opportuistic imo.

Caos2

United States1728 Posts

January 28 2011 11:52 GMT

#55

Thanks for the translation!

I hope that Zero meets Kal in the semi-finals just so our Protoss giant can make the tiny Zerg swallow his words

alffla

Hong Kong20321 Posts

January 28 2011 16:06 GMT

#56

snow played so damn good man i was so surprised. thoguht it would be 3-0 rape ez.

congrats zero and jd

pinkranger15

Philippines1597 Posts

January 28 2011 16:19 GMT

#57

GO KAL! please beat great and zero. and jaedong, please beat kal in the finals :p

Bwenjarin Raffrack

United States322 Posts

January 28 2011 16:21 GMT

#58

On January 28 2011 10:07 Z3kk wrote:
So consensus is that last 4 games of JD vs Snow were very, very high quality, while Stork essentially played terribly throughout the series against Zero? :'(

So much for Stork not appearing in SPL because he wanted to practice...T_T

More than saying that Stork played badly, one should say that he prepared badly. Zero came in with three well-crafted, Stork-tailored builds, and Stork obliged by playing right into his expectations.

For all intents and purposes, Zero won the series all the way back in the practice house. Stork should've skipped more Proleague games because he was made to look very bad by Zero.

polgas

Canada1792 Posts

January 28 2011 16:24 GMT

#59

JD looked like he was disappointed that he actually won the series. I did feel like at parts of the game he was almost deliberately losing. Sending his drones straight into storms repeatedly? Sitting back in Game 5 while up 2 bases? No game face? This is one of the times I was really looking forward to the winners interview translation to explain what was going through his head. Now at least it explained a few of that. Thanks for the translation and JD go get that game face back!

TheGlassface

United States612 Posts

January 28 2011 16:51 GMT

#60

Totally disagree.
Stork played his ass off and came with unique ideas and preps, his play was solid and he wasn't sloppy.
Zero just played and he played *hard* A case of getting outplayed, it happens sometimes and Zero isn't exactly mediocre, he just drops games awkwardly.

That first set he simply read him like a book and the way he used units instead of overlords to scout was a really slick move IMO since Protoss have taken the skies as a form of running away with the lead.

Also, every game in the Jaedong VS Snow was something I was not expecting and was surprised beautifully. I expected a walk over by the dong and Snow showed here was a reason why he made it that far in the first place.

Man, I love this season.

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