So there's this big fuss about Stork not showing up to January 26, 2011 KHAN vs FOX game. Stork isn't showing up... thread (Milkis) With all due respect to Milkis, why he didn't include all of the available interview/article material, I don't know.
There's no denying that he didn't show up. The purpose of me starting this thread is to provide a more comprehensive picture.
총사령관’ 송병구(삼성전자)가 문래 히어로센터에 동행하지 않은 것으로 알려졌다. - 'Commander' Stork (Samsung Khan) did not accompany his team to the Moonrae Hero Center today. [T/N: Moonrae Hero Center is where the MBCGame-broadcasted SPL and MSL matches are held, except for MSL finals]
삼성전자의 김가을 감독은 “송병구 선수의 개인리그 일정이 너무 많아서 팀 차원에서 배려를 해줬다”며 “현재 송병구 선수는 숙소에서 개인리그 연습 중”이라고 말했다. - Coach January of Samsung Khan said that "Stork's schedule these days are incredibly packed, so as a team, we decided to do him a favour. Right now, Stork is practising for his individual league matches."
송병구는 27일, 피디팝 MSL 8강에서 웅진의 김명운과 4강 진출을 놓고 대결하며, 이틀 뒤인 29일에는 박카스 스타리그 2010 결승전에서 정명훈(SK텔레콤)과 경기를 하는 것. 삼성전자 측은 송병구의 개인리그 선전에 힘을 실어주기 위해 이번 3주차 5경기 폭스와의 경기에는 동행시키지 않은 것으로 보인다. - Stork will face Zero (Woongjin) on the 27th in the Ro8 of PDPop MSL, and two days later, he will face Fantasy (SKT) in the finals of Bacchus Starleague 2010. It seems like Samsung Khan excluded Stork from today's match roster to boost his chances in the individual league games.
한편 삼성전자는 26일 폭스와의 프로리그를 시작으로 27일 송병구의 MSL, 29일 스티리그 결승, 30일 SK텔레콤과 프로리그 등 빡빡한 일정을 앞두고 있다. - In the meanwhile, Samsung Khan starts a busy stretch with today's SPL match against FOX, Stork's MSL matches on the 27th, Starleague Finals on the 29th, and SPL match against SKT on the 30th.
Based on the above article, it seems like a team decision to leave Stork behind. It's possible that Stork wanted to practice for individual leagues, and if he remembered what statements he made last SPL season, he probably should have just came along with the team. However, we have more articles, thanks to the winners' interviews. + Show Spoiler [DES Winner's Interviews] +
Here's a blurb from Jangbi-Grape interview: Q 마지막으로 한마디. A 허영무=오늘 병구형이 경기장에 안 와서 욕을 많이 듣고 있다더라. 그런데 병구형이 스타리그 결승전을 연습하느라 안 온 게 아니라, 감독님이 전략적으로 빼놓고 오신 것이다. 최근 병구형만 계속 이기고 주전들이 자꾸 지니까 우리를 정신차리게 하기 위해서 한 일이다. 주전들을 정신차리게 하려는 감독님의 전략이지 병구형의 편의를 봐주느라 그런 것은 아니다. 많이 사람들이 미워하지 않았으면 좋겠다. 병구형도 숙소에서 연습하기보다는 TV를 보면서 응원하고 있었을 것이다.
Q: Last words? A: Jangbi: Stork didn't show up for today's match with our team, and he's taking a lot of harsh words and criticism right now. Let me make it clear, his absense is not because he's practising for OSL; he's not here because it's Coach January's decision. Because Stork's been single-handedly carrying the team lately, Coach wanted to send us a strong message this way. It's not that Coach wants to favour Stork excessively or something. I hope people don't misunderstand and hate him for this. I'm pretty sure he was watching TV and cheering for us instead of practising.
A 사실 오늘 출전은 (송)병구형으로 정해져 있었다. 그런데 하이트전이 끝나고 나서 감독님이 너무 병구형 원맨팀 이미지가 되는 것 같다며 그때 엔트리에서 병구형을 빼셨고, 내가 운좋게 출전 기회를 잡았다. 그 기회를 놓치지 않고 2승이나 해서 너무 기분좋고, 만족스럽다. 기회주신 감독님께 감사드린다. A: TurN: Originally, Stork was supposed to play today. However, after last match against Hite, Coach Janaury said that our team image is becoming too much of a Stork one-man-team and removed Stork from today's entry back then, and I happened to be the lucky replacement. I'm happy that I was able to grasp this opportunity and earn 2 wins. Thanks to coach for giving me the opportunity.
▲ 유병준=테란전을 제일 못했는데 최근 기현이가 1대1로 많이 도와줘서 기량이 좋아졌다. 정말 고맙고, 항상 옆에서 큰 도움 주시는 영무 형과 병구 형에게 정말 고맙다는 말을 전하고 싶다. - Grape: PvT is my worst match-up but lately Reality has been helping me on a 1-on-1 personal basis, so I improved a lot. Thank you, and also thanks to Jangbi and Stork for their help.
▲ 허영무=병구 형이 오늘 경기장에 오지 않아서 팬들의 비난이 심한 것 같다. 그런데 오늘은 연습을 위해 오지 않은 것이 아니라 우리 주전들이 정신을 차리라는 의미에서 병구 형을 대동하지 않은 것 같다. 연습 때문에 그런 것만은 아니니 너무 안 좋게 보지 않으셨으면 좋겠다. - Jangbi: Stork didn't come to the stadium today and he's eating a ton of criticism from fans. It seems like the meaning behind this is to deliver us a strong message to get our acts together, not just to give Stork practice time. I don't think this is solely because of practice so I hope people don't too much offense from this.
▲ 원래 병구 형 출전이 예정되어 있었는데 감독님이 너무 병구 형 원맨 팀이 되는 것 같다고 내가 대신 엔트리에 들어갔다. 그런데 이렇게 기회를 살려 2승이나 해서 만족스럽다. 기회를 주신 감독님께 감사 드린다.
- Originally, Stork was set to play today but Coach January said that we're becoming too much of a Stork one-man-team so she placed me in the entry spot instead. It happened so that I was able to use this opportunity to record 2 more wins today, so I'm satisfied. Thanks to Coach for giving me the opportunity.
TL/DR version of the above interviews: Based on the interviews, January made the decision to replace Stork's entry spot in today's KHAN vs FOX match with TurN, after the recent loss against Hite.
So does all this information put me in a position to make my own speculations?
Everyone knows I'm a huge Stork fan, so I'm not sure how many of you will take my words seriously. But ok, I was very disappointed about the news. I did remember that Stork gave a pretty opinionated interview last season vs KT and as soon as I saw Milkis's thread, I knew that Stork was going to eat a ton of e-shit tonight. The witty comments on TL are nothing compared to the list of endless shit on the replies for the Fomos article (Stork defenders, Stork haters, Fantasy fans, Fantasy haters, FOX fans, Flash fans, KT fans, Zero fans - all having their say, usually in the most crude way possible).
I feel like it's a fan's duty (and desire) to shield their favourite player, their idol, from eating a ton of e-shit. I can't change the facts, but I'm staying up until 4AM right now (EST) after pulling two consecutive all-nighters (bridge design project and innovative freight policies presentation) to find all these articles and translate so that at least, I've done my part in giving out a more complete picture of the situation.
I think January did the right thing for the team - this sends a strong message to the players to step it up because Stork will be busy time to time and the rest of the team needs to do their part. The timing of this, however, is probably as bad as it could have been - right when Stork's about to play his individual league matches.
And alright, for my personal speculations - Stork really could have begged Coach January to put him back in the entry spot, or at least let him tag along so that he didn't have to eat a ton of shit. I think he should have at least tagged along so all of this fuss wouldn't come up. But in his right, the coach made her decision and that decision ended up giving Stork more practice time, which would have been hard to refuse, given the circumstances.
Various (but unofficial) sources have stated that it seems like Stork's GF broke up with him recently (Stork's interview: Fomos) so Stork is probably not in his best emotional state right now. Now that I think, even if January knew what Stork said in last season's interview, it was the right decision to rest him so that he could recover emotionally. I just hope he doesn't check the internet tonight.
Well, that's all I've got to say. Sleeping now. Someone else can grab the full interviews...
Thanks for translating this bit you did. A lot of people talk shit when some little thing comes up. Im glad to have some clarity in the air since Stork is obviously not one to not support his team.
I understand the gripe of stork fans, and they have a right to be upset. I think that not going is a gamble. If stork wins OSL gold, all will be forgiven, but if he is eliminated from both leagues, then he wont hear the end of it for a long time, deservedly so.
Obviously, they just cover for Stork. If you don't want Stork to play - ok, just don't send him out. Why not to bring him as spectator then? There is no excuse for Stork.
Can I just slightly disagree/just see it from different angle. I'm absolutely sure that Stork wanted to participate and I'm sure the coach made the decision but... Is there someone that believes she would have done it if it wasn't for Stork's final? One man team - bla bla bla, ok then lets remove jaedong, flash, bisu and maybe curently Bogus and so on...lets get rid of them their wins are making their teams - one man teams. My point is - every win is vital, all the teams think of anything that could increase their chances to win in each round. The decision was taken mostly duetof the finals - without blaming Stork or anyone for not showing. I believe it's normal not to participate in one round to prepare for the finals. I believe last year Stork just really wanted to play Flash and when that didn't happen he said those things. I still I think he was not right.
On January 26 2011 18:23 Yodo wrote: Obviously, they just cover for Stork. If you don't want Stork to play - ok, just don't send him out. Why not to bring him as spectator then? There is no excuse for Stork.
Because the whole point of not letting Stork play today is to use the time spared to practice, not to have fun.
On January 26 2011 18:32 Moridin wrote: Can I just slightly disagree/just see it from different angle. I'm absolutely sure that Stork wanted to participate and I'm sure the coach made the decision but... Is there someone that believes she would have done it if it wasn't for Stork's final? One man team - bla bla bla, ok then lets remove jaedong, flash, bisu and maybe curently Bogus and so on...lets get rid of them their wins are making their teams - one man teams. My point is - every win is vital, all the teams think of anything that could increase their chances to win in each round. The decision was taken mostly duetof the finals - without blaming Stork or anyone for not showing. I believe it's normal not to participate in one round to prepare for the finals. I believe last year Stork just really wanted to play Flash and when that didn't happen he said those things. I still I think he was not right.
Dear Flash fan, can you just let it die? Stork is at least honest about things, and he practiced to snipe Flash and Flash didn't show up so he said that long time ago. Times change, new situations arise, and Stork might have had to go back on his words, but does it really matter so much? The OP posted other reasons as to why it was good for Stork not showing up (GF breakup, changing Khan's image, etc), I think Stork is perfectly justified in taking the day off.
Thats why you should be careful in what you say to others in a interview . If you bash someone for a mistake or decision that he makes make sure you don't make the same mistake or decision as him it will just make you look bad . Frankly the shit he is geting is probably somewhat deserved after what he said to Flash who was working his ass of last season to keep up the results he was making . I have no sympathy for Stork right now . I don't hate him or anything for this , but at least now he should know a little in what situation Flash was last season before he makes a statement .
Also Flash even apologized to Stork or his fans ( don't know why he had to apologize ) , after he read Stork's interview , lets see if Stork is going to do the same .
On January 26 2011 19:30 raga4ka wrote: Thats why you should be careful in what you say to others in a interview . If you bash someone for a mistake or decision that he makes make sure you don't make the same mistake or decision as him it will make you look bad . Frankly the shit he is geting is probably somewhat deserved after what he said to Flash who was working his ass of last season to keep up the results he was making . I have no sympathy for him right now . I don't hate him or anything for this , but at least now he should know in what situation Flash was last season before he makes a statement .
As if Stork cares a shit what pple are saying about him over the internet. There are only 2 things on his mind at the moment. OSL gold and MSL gold.
On January 26 2011 18:32 Moridin wrote: Can I just slightly disagree/just see it from different angle. I'm absolutely sure that Stork wanted to participate and I'm sure the coach made the decision but... Is there someone that believes she would have done it if it wasn't for Stork's final? One man team - bla bla bla, ok then lets remove jaedong, flash, bisu and maybe curently Bogus and so on...lets get rid of them their wins are making their teams - one man teams. My point is - every win is vital, all the teams think of anything that could increase their chances to win in each round. The decision was taken mostly duetof the finals - without blaming Stork or anyone for not showing. I believe it's normal not to participate in one round to prepare for the finals. I believe last year Stork just really wanted to play Flash and when that didn't happen he said those things. I still I think he was not right.
You obviously don't follow Khan much. January routinely let her top players take matches off. She also rotates the Ace player. She also tell her star players to go F themselves if they slack off, and replace them in her lineup with youngsters instead. Whether you agree with her coaching style, or you agree with letting Jaedong/Flash practice til their hands fall off, is not the question here.
You may disagree with her thought process, but it's consistent with her past decisions.
Edit: Thanks Opticalshot for the translation. E-SHIT is serious business.
Let me make it clear, his absense is not because he's practising for OSL
Yes. Didn't you say yourself a few posts above that teammates simply covered for Stork ? I do agree on this part.
On January 26 2011 18:23 Yodo wrote: Obviously, they just cover for Stork.
The fact that January doesn't want her team to look like a one man team is totally understandable, and I am glad that Khan could win anyway. But it's obvious that Stork who's already down 0-1 against ZerO is going to use this spare time to practice.
Isn't too big of a coincidence that January decides to prove her team is not a one man team just before Stork has to play a Ro8 where he's down 0-1, and an OSL final ?
It's totally normal for teammates to try cover up, as it is totally fine (at least it is for me) that Stork doesn't play in PL today to practice more for individual leagues. I don't think that Stork deserves so much hate just because of an interview from last year.
edit : also :
Jangbi: Stork didn't come to the stadium today and he's eating a ton of criticism from fans. It seems like the meaning behind this is to deliver us a strong message to get our acts together, not just to give Stork practice time. I don't think this is solely because of practice so I hope people don't too much offense from this.
Jangbi admits that the decision of not letting Stork play today is at least partly due to practice.
edit2 : damn I forgot to say thanks. OP put a great effort there !
Taking criticism for this is perfectly normal. Yes it is hypocritical to call one player out for forsaking his team for a match in order to practice for leagues and then do the same, especially after "back when my schedule was full, I prepared and play for both my individual and proleague games". I really don't buy this whole 'the coach forced him to stay home, he couldn't do anything about it, so lets all feel bad for the clearly innocent Stork with 0 power over the situation' bit.
Now was he wrong for taking time off to practice? not at all, I would have done the same thing. I wouldn't have said shit to Flash about it last year though, since its totally understandable. This is just another small dose of e-drama. So I'm sorry Stork, you're just going to have to eat it and next time choose your words more carefully.
First of all I dont think january would make the choice to pull stork out to force his teamates to work harder at this time, the only time that it runs the risk of making stork look like a hypocrit.
I also doubt it is just storks teamates covering for him. He would lose too much face demanding that sort of a thing from his teamates, to expect them to lie on his behalf when he critisized flash is something that I cannot imagine a pro gamer with any self respect doing.
What I assume is more likely is that maybe he fealt stressed, talked to january, and then she pulled him out to allow him to save face and get some rest or practice. She is a coach that cares a lot for the wellbeing of her team.
Making these sorts of speculations may be stupid but really there is no way to actually know who is behind storks absence. Really it would have been best for him to beg to go in order to avoid upsetting any of his fans. Whether he decided to stay, or just allowed january to force him to stay, he knew how people would react, and he made his choice. Of course we should remember that even if he is acting like a hypocrit, it shouldn't make anyone respect his play or sucess any less.
On January 26 2011 18:32 Moridin wrote: Can I just slightly disagree/just see it from different angle. I'm absolutely sure that Stork wanted to participate and I'm sure the coach made the decision but... Is there someone that believes she would have done it if it wasn't for Stork's final? One man team - bla bla bla, ok then lets remove jaedong, flash, bisu and maybe curently Bogus and so on...lets get rid of them their wins are making their teams - one man teams. My point is - every win is vital, all the teams think of anything that could increase their chances to win in each round. The decision was taken mostly duetof the finals - without blaming Stork or anyone for not showing. I believe it's normal not to participate in one round to prepare for the finals. I believe last year Stork just really wanted to play Flash and when that didn't happen he said those things. I still I think he was not right.
Dear Flash fan, can you just let it die? Stork is at least honest about things, and he practiced to snipe Flash and Flash didn't show up so he said that long time ago. Times change, new situations arise, and Stork might have had to go back on his words, but does it really matter so much? The OP posted other reasons as to why it was good for Stork not showing up (GF breakup, changing Khan's image, etc), I think Stork is perfectly justified in taking the day off.
p.s. stop using so many hyphens, thanks
Dear lastmotion,
If it doesn't matter so much why are you posting? I like Stork but I am angry when I see him go against his own words. The OP posted what his teamates and coach said we all know he is practising like hell. I think he is justified in taking the day off(practising his head off) as well, just it's better to think before saying something and then look like hypocrite, right?
I'm pretty sure Stork remembers, and that January had a part in it. But if the broke up with gf part is true, which I believe because in his last interview he seemed really really in a strange state of mind, that's obviously a pretty big part of it too, and a better excuse than the rest in fact. PS : yeah, I'm pretty sure reading korean comments will hurt him, it's not because it's on the internet it doesn't matter.
On January 26 2011 18:32 Moridin wrote: Can I just slightly disagree/just see it from different angle. I'm absolutely sure that Stork wanted to participate and I'm sure the coach made the decision but... Is there someone that believes she would have done it if it wasn't for Stork's final? One man team - bla bla bla, ok then lets remove jaedong, flash, bisu and maybe curently Bogus and so on...lets get rid of them their wins are making their teams - one man teams. My point is - every win is vital, all the teams think of anything that could increase their chances to win in each round. The decision was taken mostly duetof the finals - without blaming Stork or anyone for not showing. I believe it's normal not to participate in one round to prepare for the finals. I believe last year Stork just really wanted to play Flash and when that didn't happen he said those things. I still I think he was not right.
It's a bit of a running joke for BW fans to call the Samsung Coach Trollulary because she often chooses against sending stork despite the situation.
Thus the contention that January did it to show Khan is solid team without the Commander is not as ridiculous as you may believe.
I really don't see what the big deal is. Yes, Stork came off as a hypocrite because of what he said about Flash previously, but who hasn't come off as a hypocrite at one point in their lives? We just happen to be giving him tons of e-shit just cause he was blatantly caught in the act.
Stork and January both probably knew well that leaving Stork out of the PL game tonight was going to bring up this ton of e-shit but you know what? They went ahead with it anyway for whatever reason, be it the girlfriend issue, practicing for the individual leagues, making sure the team image isn't like KT Flash or Jaedong OZ, or whatever. People should really just let it go. If anything, Stork will have something to say personally on the issue. If not, well, stop trying to feed the fire and let it go. As much as we'd like Stork to be an actual Commander of the Protoss Fleet, he's only human.
Last word: Good work OpticalShot for the translations and dedication.
The fact that January doesn't want her team to look like a one man team is totally understandable, and I am glad that Khan could win anyway. But it's obvious that Stork who's already down 0-1 against ZerO is going to use this spare time to practice.
Isn't too big of a coincidence that January decides to prove her team is not a one man team just before Stork has to play a Ro8 where he's down 0-1, and an OSL final ?
No, but it does coincide with the fact that KHAN was consecutively down 0-3 before Stork was sent out. Remember when Bisu was not sent out when his team lost 3-4 after the 2 allkills when he was send out 2nd? If I remember right, he was NOT in any final at that time, how coincident. I think the coaches share a common thought about the health of A TEAM, which is to not depend on a individual, who is not Flash. And why he didn't show up. Ok, guys, be realistic. According to his teammates, he did practice for the match but the coach made it clear that she would not use him. Then why SHOULD he show up if he wouldn't be used? I mean, ok, he wanted to contribute to the team but if he couldn't possibly to do that and found himself having some time off then why he shouldn't practice for the matches? It's not like the matches is not important to be honest.
The fact that January doesn't want her team to look like a one man team is totally understandable, and I am glad that Khan could win anyway. But it's obvious that Stork who's already down 0-1 against ZerO is going to use this spare time to practice.
Isn't too big of a coincidence that January decides to prove her team is not a one man team just before Stork has to play a Ro8 where he's down 0-1, and an OSL final ?
No, but it does coincide with the fact that KHAN was consecutively down 0-3 before Stork was sent out. Remember when Bisu was not sent out when his team lost 3-4 after the 2 allkills when he was send out 2nd? If I remember right, he was NOT in any final at that time, how coincident. I think the coaches share a common thought about the health of A TEAM, which is to not depend on a individual, who is not Flash. And why he didn't show up. Ok, guys, be realistic. According to his teammates, he did practice for the match but the coach made it clear that she would not use him. Then why SHOULD he show up if he wouldn't be used? I mean, ok, he wanted to contribute to the team but if he couldn't possibly to do that and found himself having some time off then why he shouldn't practice for the matches? It's not like the matches is not important to be honest.
Strategery, obviously. If you get a guy to show up as though you were gonna play him and then not play him, that would be one thing. But having him not show up at all clearly hurts your chances.
On January 26 2011 22:26 Gummy wrote: Strategery, obviously. If you get a guy to show up as though you were gonna play him and then not play him, that would be one thing. But having him not show up at all clearly hurts your chances.
If you want THE OTHER MEMBERS to step up and win by themselves then not bring Stork will make the point clear and firm. They will know FOR SURE that they can't rely on him anymore. And hey, KHAN did win without Stork so January was right, do you agree? And it did boost the team's morale significantly, I assure you.
to me, its kinda odd that a coach would exclude a star player out of the blue especially this deep in the proleague season to "send a message" to the team to make them pull their socks up.
if stork didn't have any individual league matches, i doubt he would have been pulled out.
this is just my take. i am neither a fan nor hater of stork
On January 26 2011 23:21 JMave wrote: to me, its kinda odd that a coach would exclude a star player out of the blue especially this deep in the proleague season to "send a message" to the team to make them pull their socks up.
if stork didn't have any individual league matches, i doubt he would have been pulled out.
this is just my take. i am neither a fan nor hater of stork
You don't know coach January man......=="
Edit: the amount of times ive gone.....Fuck yeah Stork's up now! only to cringe minutes later.... Juni/Reality/Sharp wtf....=0
On January 26 2011 23:21 JMave wrote: to me, its kinda odd that a coach would exclude a star player out of the blue especially this deep in the proleague season to "send a message" to the team to make them pull their socks up.
1. WL was only 5 games old when this happened. And in those 5 games, Samsung went down 0-3 twice before Stork played. 2. January once benched FBH/Jangbi/Stork when they were fighting for the last spot of the playoffs and almost lost out to KT for the last spot.
Khan is giving the guy more practice time for the OSL and MSL. I see nothing wrong with that. I don't get why anyone would rip on him for getting more practice in.
On January 27 2011 00:14 StarStruck wrote: Khan is giving the guy more practice time for the OSL and MSL. I see nothing wrong with that. I don't get why anyone would rip on him for getting more practice in.
Cuz Stork ripped Flash last year for the same thing.
so who cares? we can look everything this guys said 59349545 years ago up and say "LOL U SAID THAT NOW U DO THE SAME". dont even know if he would say the same now or half a year later...
On January 27 2011 00:14 StarStruck wrote: Khan is giving the guy more practice time for the OSL and MSL. I see nothing wrong with that. I don't get why anyone would rip on him for getting more practice in.
Cuz Stork ripped Flash last year for the same thing.
jesus christ thats so dramatic lets discuss it for the next 10 pages and wait for haters to point out how bad he is and for his fans to support him and blame his haters YADADADAD
i think it's pretty embarassing that this is such a big deal here, both on tl and fomos. Stork said this words a long time ago, he changed his opinion and moved on. so should we. i don't wanna get judged on things i said almost a year ago and neither will i judge somebody the same way
From the Jangbi interview it sounded like Stork wanted to be there but January would not allowed it. From the TV comment it seems like January expects Stork to be practicing for his individual leagues so Stork can't really disobey that and go with the team to watch them play (even though he may be watching at home). Ofc, this is just blind speculation, but that's what it sounds like to me. Basically, it's not Stork's fault, he would be there if January didn't make him practice for individual leagues.[Yeah, I'm biased ^_^]
It was really poor manners to criticize Flash in the first place. Flash had the heaviest workload by far, greater than Stork has ever had. He's given so much to his team, and unlike Stork, has a substantially higher winning percentage in teamleagues than individual leagues under a heavier workload. Flash has played nearly as many teamleague games as Stork despite being around for far less time and fewer games overall.
I was okay with Stork's "LOL I won even though I played cellphone games all night instead of practicing!" type of interviews he's very fond of, but after that interview, he went significantly down my fan list. I still root for him sometimes, but for all the shit Bisu gets about being arrogant and bad-mannered, Stork is significantly worse in that department.
January is known to sending youngster instead of their star players, I'm not surprised he decided not to let Stork playing. Look at the result, Khan won the match without Stork.
On January 27 2011 01:14 remag wrote: wtf thx for spoiling everything...
Spoiling what? And what's up with you guys going into threads that contain stuff you know you don't wanna read yet?
Either way, yeah, Stork criticizing Flash back then was pretty silly, but I can't see this as such a big deal. It's not just because it's Stork either, it's just not a big deal at all, just Stork being frustrated for losing his chance to prove himself. Kinda like Mr. T wanting a shot at the title in Rocky III, except it's a dinosaur this time.
Thank you for doing a neutral post about this, presenting the information as it is and not just making biased comments. Even if the thread is still full of flash fans just hating on Stork, its nice to have someone worried about making it clear to anyone thats willing to read.
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but the coach interview regarding the OSL finals states that it was january's decision to leave stork behind.
Undoubtedly a good move to let Stork practice, but it was a good idea for KT to let Flash do it last year too. Don't know how this is such a controversy, funny that the tables turned on Stork, but do we have to make a big deal out of it?
Meh, it's not like going to PL would have made Stork's previous comments right. It's up to the player and the coaching staff to make these decisions. His comment was strange because it was none of his business (and preparing for the ace match didn't make it so). Then again Flash didn't seem to mind too much so it probably wasn't a big deal.
I'm sorry to say this, fellow KHAN fans but I agree with some of the other guys. FlaSh has worked more consistently and has basically had to carry his team on his shoulders for a while AND work his way up in individual leagues. I feel that the fact of the matter is that KT is a one-man team (except for Mantoss occasionally), really. However, KHAN is well-known to be a bit more rounded team than KT (currently, anyway. I mean, can anyone disagree that FlaSh's win/loss ratio defines whether or not KT wins a match? Don't even get me started on JDOZ). Stork's not used to carrying his team since he used to have JangBi/Great/Juni/FBH, but unfortunately all his side-kicks, if you will, are gone more or less. JB is barely getting out of a slump.
As for Stork, obviously as a Fanboy I'm gonna wait until more evidence shows up before condemning my favourite Protoss player.
On January 27 2011 08:57 IntoTheheart wrote: However, KHAN is well-known to be a bit more rounded team than KT (currently, anyway. I mean, can anyone disagree that FlaSh's win/loss ratio defines whether or not KT wins a match? Don't even get me started on JDOZ).
This is OT, but since you mentioned "currently" I would have to disagree with you there. If this were round 1 or 2, you'd be 100% correct. For WL though KT has not been relying on Flash to carry them that much (Stats allkill, stats 3-kill, violet 3-kill x2) like some teams (SKTBisu comes to mind)
plz guys, read the OP You can then still be against Stork (or not), but stop posting here when your posts make it obvious that you didn't even read the OP.
On January 27 2011 09:26 Fenrax wrote: plz guys, read the OP You can then still be against Stork (or not), but stop posting here when your posts make it obvious that you didn't even read the OP.
So please READ THE OP
Not sure who you're talking to, but if this is about January & pals standing up for Stork, I'm pretty sure everybody is aware of it, there's no need to assume everybody ignored the OP. In the end, its not conclusive. Once side will still argue that this means stork is 100% innocent while the others will call it damage control. TBH neither side here is going to convince the other. The fact that this has blown so far out of proportions is amusing though.
I read it, Fenrax. Anyway moopie, you've got a point. However it's still pretty clear that Stork's been carrying the team on his shoulders and new at it. I mean, JD and FlaSh have been doing it for a while.
I love all of the people saying it's consistent for January to bench her star players to rotate in the young guns or has beens to try to get them in form.
The thing is, you are absolutely right! For the past 2 proleague seasons January has been trying to develop her younger players at the expense of games for the previous Jangbi/stork/fbh trio -- this most notably worked with great who no one knew ANYTHING about.
But guess what isn't consistent? Stork wasn't at the PL game at ALL. Whenever January was rotating her players, her older stars always showed up for matches -- whether it be to cheer on the younger players, or just give the threat of her stars coming in or whatever. This was not January doing her typical thing. This was January letting Stork stay back at the house to practice. This is something that HAS NOT happened before -- even when Stork didn't play, he was still on the bench. It's insane to think this isn't about practicing for individual leagues with this offtime.
Stork was hypocritical. It's funny and maybe he shouldn't be so quick to judge someone who's having a more difficult time than him in the future. Leave it at that. I'm absolutely sure Flash and Stork are still great friends so there's no reason us fans should bicker. Feel the love you angry jerks.
What Stork did was not right at that moment, that's for sure. He couldn't have predicted it would come back to haunt him one year later. But, it was only him being honest about what he feels when he said he prepared for and wanted to face Flash, and prove that he is not unbeatable like other people think. It's for that honesty and personality that I like him (I'm thinking this is true for alot of Stork fans out there). Some of you might bash Stork for this, but that opinion is what differentiates Stork's fanboys and his haters.
If Stork said sorry to Flash (after winning dual golds keke), he'd be the greatest baller in all of the Korean BW proscene.
Edit: Thanks to OpticalShot for the very enlightening opening post. This clears up what was mostly e-shit in the other (now closed) thread.
I perfectly fine with Stork staying at house practicing for the individual leagues. And I don't care whose decision it was.
But Stork was talking out of his ass in that interview when he commented about Flash. Nothing changes it.
I am still Stork fan and I hope he will win OSL. But he should have never said those words... Anyway, that whole thing, as usual, has been blown out of proportion. I bet neither Flash or Stork care about it
On January 27 2011 11:23 Ryusei-R1 wrote: If Stork is able to win the OSL after going through quite a lot of trauma, he will be like a phoenix reborn from the ashes of himself.
A new style of PvT will be born (Corsairs anyone?) and Stork will become the new standard of PvT.
Nal_ra did a Sairs into Carriers build, it was garbage.
On January 27 2011 11:23 Ryusei-R1 wrote: If Stork is able to win the OSL after going through quite a lot of trauma, he will be like a phoenix reborn from the ashes of himself.
A new style of PvT will be born (Corsairs anyone?) and Stork will become the new standard of PvT.
Loooooooooooool so much hate coming from the KT/Flash fans.
I'm sorry to say this but a lot of people seem to be butthurt over something terribly trivial. I really do understand that Stork's words from last year are pretty harsh, and unnecessary, but why does it have to result in hatred? It's good to be engrossed in e-sports and the players but some comments take it too far.
Stork is a pompous idiot. Regardless of him playing yesterday's game or not, his comment was completely unjustified in the first place. Flash is one of the hardest working progamers and he carried his crappy team to a proleague championship. What was Stork doing during that period? Failing in individual leagues and being horribly inconsistent in proleague.
nice to see that there are some good flash fans who understand the situation. some people here are seriously blowing matters way out of proportion.
i don't recall such hatred against flash when he arrogantly talked down ssak only to be knocked out by him the next day. stork and flash, among other progamers, have said stuff they have later come to regret. they do not deserve such treatment from the fans.
i always wondered why most progamers give us safe and boring interview answers. now i realize it's because of people like some posters here, waiting to attack them with their ow words at every opportunity.
If the interviews are boring, we complain. If they're a bit BM, we complain anyway -_-
I mean, I do think that was a jackass thing for Stork to say, but I'm still glad he said it, if that's what he really felt. Was he wrong? Sure, and he's eating crow for it now. That's just how life works. We're making something from nothing here.
Too much caring about this incident. Yes Stork was probably practicing for the individual leagues, although tbh I think Jangbi prolly is right that he was just watching his teammates on tv instead. January did do this to let Stork practice, and whats wrong with helping out her Ace player when he's under a huge time/practice crunch and has personal trouble on top of all that. Stork and Flash are friends, one public interview a year ago isn't going to change shit, they know its for the public.
Sorry, this entire thread reeks of the TeamStorkquid fanboy mentality that's pervasive throughout this entire site. I don't hate Stork (I'm entirely ambivalent tbh), and I really couldn't care less what he said over a year ago, but the lengths to which you guys are going to defend his honour is getting silly.
If you're going to lock the original Milkis thread calling Stork out, then you should probably still provide the context of Stork's original words, rather than dismissing all of it as a trollbait thread. I mean, if all it is is trollbait, then why even dignify it with a response thread? Why not put Stork's words up alongside your rebuttal? I had to personally dig to find what the hell you guys were talking about in the first place. This is some kind of pseudo-whitewashing, insofar that you disagree with his point but you're not going to let us hear what it was in the first place. If you want to be objective, provide both sides.
That aside, the fact that nobody gave Flash the benefit of the doubt last year is laughable in comparison with the multitude of excuses that people are making up via conjecture for Stork. Do we know that Flash asked to be benched that game? Obviously Stork's coach and teammates are going to rush to his defense - what value can be prescribed to those statements, especially considering they were made after the uproar his no-show caused?
What we can take at face value is exactly what he said last year. If he really did want to play, he certainly didn't make it known. Stork's not exactly a shy guy. He has avenues of communicating to his fans. If he believes now what he believed so vehemently a year ago - he could easily inform people that he didn't have a choice in the matter. Straight from the horse's mouth, not teammates and coaches defending him. Of course, he's lost that opportunity now, given how long it's been and how much controversy has been caused.
All in all, this is petty, really petty, for all sides - Stork included, for making those statements in the first place.
On January 28 2011 02:13 hauton wrote: Sorry, this entire thread reeks of the TeamStorkquid fanboy mentality that's pervasive throughout this entire site. I don't hate Stork (I'm entirely ambivalent tbh), and I really couldn't care less what he said over a year ago, but the lengths to which you guys are going to defend his honour is getting silly.
If you're going to lock the original Milkis thread calling Stork out, then you should probably still provide the context of Stork's original words, rather than dismissing all of it as a trollbait thread. I mean, if all it is is trollbait, then why even dignify it with a response thread? Why not put Stork's words up alongside your rebuttal? I had to personally dig to find what the hell you guys were talking about in the first place. This is some kind of pseudo-whitewashing, insofar that you disagree with his point but you're not going to let us hear what it was in the first place. If you want to be objective, provide both sides.
That aside, the fact that nobody gave Flash the benefit of the doubt last year is laughable in comparison with the multitude of excuses that people are making up via conjecture for Stork. Do we know that Flash asked to be benched that game? Obviously Stork's coach and teammates are going to rush to his defense - what value can be prescribed to those statements, especially considering they were made after the uproar his no-show caused?
What we can take at face value is exactly what he said last year. If he really did want to play, he certainly didn't make it known. Stork's not exactly a shy guy. He has avenues of communicating to his fans. If he believes now what he believed so vehemently a year ago - he could easily inform people that he didn't have a choice in the matter. Straight from the horse's mouth, not teammates and coaches defending him. Of course, he's lost that opportunity now, given how long it's been and how much controversy has been caused.
All in all, this is petty, really petty, for all sides - Stork included, for making those statements in the first place.
I was going to let this thread go, but I won't allow such replies pass without justifications. 1) I did not lock the original Milkis thread, it was a TL mod's decision to do so. I'm a translator, not a mod. I did my part in providing context by including the link to the thread in the first place. Hmmm, on two threads on the same incident, why would his be locked and mine still up? Perhaps I provided a more comprehensive picture? 2) I'm not going to bother replying to every single speculations you've made, but I wonder, why do people on TL bother reading translated interviews? Since some of you are such awesome psychics, suppose you can read every single progamer's minds from halfway around the globe with next to no context. Good job.
- Coach January of Samsung Khan said that "Stork's schedule these days are incredibly packed, so as a team, we decided to do him a favour. Right now, Stork is practising for his individual league matches."
yeah that's right. he lacked confidence and stayed practising.
It may or may not be seen in the OSL finals. Certainly there was a good reason to leave him behind, but he shouldn't have said anything if he would have to take it back later. I'm curious to see what Stork says next time he's interviewed, he probably got a lot more shit from Korean fans than he would if we could contact him.
On January 28 2011 19:09 Vaporeon wrote: Not a huge deal...really. around 15 years ago i said mushrooms were the most disgusting pieces of shit in the world. now I eat them...ok...?
So you eat mushrooms. ok. I like em too. especially psilocybe semilanceata (aka liberty caps ^^).
i really think stork needs to slow down anyways, it was a good thing for his team to give him a break for a day. with all his tournaments and such he rarely might have time to just take a breather. give him that at least. too much events can lead to stress, which can lead to him not paying so well. so if you love stork, let him have a day off
I think some people here discount just how heavily fan opinion plays on the mentality of players in Korea. I honestly think that the backlash that Stork took from his alleged "hypocrisy" threw him off his game in both leagues. Stork isn't a prepared, methodical type of player; he thrives off of momentum, natural ability and fan support. He knows he's the most popular player, and this is what gives him the strength to topple top players due to the confidence this brings. When his popularity is legitimately challenged, it doesn't surprise me to see his actual performance drop off sharply. Progamers know just how fickle Korean fans are (i.e. super fucking fickle).
For all their "professionalism", you have to remember that most of these guys are still in their teens. Image and reputation obviously affect them far more than they would an average athlete in his 20s or 30s. It's not fair to assume that they can just ignore the image they project to the public. Look at how Perfectman's momentum completely disappeared after the fan reaction to the "tongue incident".
Knowing all this, January seriously blundered in holding Stork back from the bench (assuming that Stork didn't want this himself).
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