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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 09:41:01
January 26 2011 09:05 GMT
#1
So there's this big fuss about Stork not showing up to January 26, 2011 KHAN vs FOX game. Stork isn't showing up... thread (Milkis) With all due respect to Milkis, why he didn't include all of the available interview/article material, I don't know.

There's no denying that he didn't show up. The purpose of me starting this thread is to provide a more comprehensive picture.

DES does not have any articles directly delivering the reason why, but Fomos has one:
+ Show Spoiler [Fomos Article] +
총사령관’ 송병구(삼성전자)가 문래 히어로센터에 동행하지 않은 것으로 알려졌다.
- 'Commander' Stork (Samsung Khan) did not accompany his team to the Moonrae Hero Center today. [T/N: Moonrae Hero Center is where the MBCGame-broadcasted SPL and MSL matches are held, except for MSL finals]

삼성전자의 김가을 감독은 “송병구 선수의 개인리그 일정이 너무 많아서 팀 차원에서 배려를 해줬다”며 “현재 송병구 선수는 숙소에서 개인리그 연습 중”이라고 말했다.
- Coach January of Samsung Khan said that "Stork's schedule these days are incredibly packed, so as a team, we decided to do him a favour. Right now, Stork is practising for his individual league matches."

송병구는 27일, 피디팝 MSL 8강에서 웅진의 김명운과 4강 진출을 놓고 대결하며, 이틀 뒤인 29일에는 박카스 스타리그 2010 결승전에서 정명훈(SK텔레콤)과 경기를 하는 것. 삼성전자 측은 송병구의 개인리그 선전에 힘을 실어주기 위해 이번 3주차 5경기 폭스와의 경기에는 동행시키지 않은 것으로 보인다.
- Stork will face Zero (Woongjin) on the 27th in the Ro8 of PDPop MSL, and two days later, he will face Fantasy (SKT) in the finals of Bacchus Starleague 2010. It seems like Samsung Khan excluded Stork from today's match roster to boost his chances in the individual league games.

한편 삼성전자는 26일 폭스와의 프로리그를 시작으로 27일 송병구의 MSL, 29일 스티리그 결승, 30일 SK텔레콤과 프로리그 등 빡빡한 일정을 앞두고 있다.
- In the meanwhile, Samsung Khan starts a busy stretch with today's SPL match against FOX, Stork's MSL matches on the 27th, Starleague Finals on the 29th, and SPL match against SKT on the 30th.

leoleo@fomos.co.kr
Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=114508&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=

Based on the above article, it seems like a team decision to leave Stork behind. It's possible that Stork wanted to practice for individual leagues, and if he remembered what statements he made last SPL season, he probably should have just came along with the team. However, we have more articles, thanks to the winners' interviews.
+ Show Spoiler [DES Winner's Interviews] +
Here's a blurb from Jangbi-Grape interview:
Q 마지막으로 한마디.
A 허영무=오늘 병구형이 경기장에 안 와서 욕을 많이 듣고 있다더라. 그런데 병구형이 스타리그 결승전을 연습하느라 안 온 게 아니라, 감독님이 전략적으로 빼놓고 오신 것이다. 최근 병구형만 계속 이기고 주전들이 자꾸 지니까 우리를 정신차리게 하기 위해서 한 일이다. 주전들을 정신차리게 하려는 감독님의 전략이지 병구형의 편의를 봐주느라 그런 것은 아니다. 많이 사람들이 미워하지 않았으면 좋겠다. 병구형도 숙소에서 연습하기보다는 TV를 보면서 응원하고 있었을 것이다.

Q: Last words?
A: Jangbi: Stork didn't show up for today's match with our team, and he's taking a lot of harsh words and criticism right now. Let me make it clear, his absense is not because he's practising for OSL; he's not here because it's Coach January's decision. Because Stork's been single-handedly carrying the team lately, Coach wanted to send us a strong message this way. It's not that Coach wants to favour Stork excessively or something. I hope people don't misunderstand and hate him for this. I'm pretty sure he was watching TV and cheering for us instead of practising.

Source: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=39258
-----

Q 마지막으로 한마디.
Q: Any last words?

A 사실 오늘 출전은 (송)병구형으로 정해져 있었다. 그런데 하이트전이 끝나고 나서 감독님이 너무 병구형 원맨팀 이미지가 되는 것 같다며 그때 엔트리에서 병구형을 빼셨고, 내가 운좋게 출전 기회를 잡았다. 그 기회를 놓치지 않고 2승이나 해서 너무 기분좋고, 만족스럽다. 기회주신 감독님께 감사드린다.
A: TurN: Originally, Stork was supposed to play today. However, after last match against Hite, Coach Janaury said that our team image is becoming too much of a Stork one-man-team and removed Stork from today's entry back then, and I happened to be the lucky replacement. I'm happy that I was able to grasp this opportunity and earn 2 wins. Thanks to coach for giving me the opportunity.

http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=39260

+ Show Spoiler [Fomos Winner's Interviews] +


- 더 하고 싶은 말이 있다면
- Any last words?

▲ 유병준=테란전을 제일 못했는데 최근 기현이가 1대1로 많이 도와줘서 기량이 좋아졌다. 정말 고맙고, 항상 옆에서 큰 도움 주시는 영무 형과 병구 형에게 정말 고맙다는 말을 전하고 싶다.
- Grape: PvT is my worst match-up but lately Reality has been helping me on a 1-on-1 personal basis, so I improved a lot. Thank you, and also thanks to Jangbi and Stork for their help.

▲ 허영무=병구 형이 오늘 경기장에 오지 않아서 팬들의 비난이 심한 것 같다. 그런데 오늘은 연습을 위해 오지 않은 것이 아니라 우리 주전들이 정신을 차리라는 의미에서 병구 형을 대동하지 않은 것 같다. 연습 때문에 그런 것만은 아니니 너무 안 좋게 보지 않으셨으면 좋겠다.
- Jangbi: Stork didn't come to the stadium today and he's eating a ton of criticism from fans. It seems like the meaning behind this is to deliver us a strong message to get our acts together, not just to give Stork practice time. I don't think this is solely because of practice so I hope people don't too much offense from this.

Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=114526&db=interview&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=
-----

- 끝으로 하고 싶은 말은
- Any last words?

▲ 원래 병구 형 출전이 예정되어 있었는데 감독님이 너무 병구 형 원맨 팀이 되는 것 같다고 내가 대신 엔트리에 들어갔다. 그런데 이렇게 기회를 살려 2승이나 해서 만족스럽다. 기회를 주신 감독님께 감사 드린다.

- Originally, Stork was set to play today but Coach January said that we're becoming too much of a Stork one-man-team so she placed me in the entry spot instead. It happened so that I was able to use this opportunity to record 2 more wins today, so I'm satisfied. Thanks to Coach for giving me the opportunity.

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=114527&db=interview&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=

TL/DR version of the above interviews: Based on the interviews, January made the decision to replace Stork's entry spot in today's KHAN vs FOX match with TurN, after the recent loss against Hite.

So does all this information put me in a position to make my own speculations?

Everyone knows I'm a huge Stork fan, so I'm not sure how many of you will take my words seriously. But ok, I was very disappointed about the news. I did remember that Stork gave a pretty opinionated interview last season vs KT and as soon as I saw Milkis's thread, I knew that Stork was going to eat a ton of e-shit tonight. The witty comments on TL are nothing compared to the list of endless shit on the replies for the Fomos article (Stork defenders, Stork haters, Fantasy fans, Fantasy haters, FOX fans, Flash fans, KT fans, Zero fans - all having their say, usually in the most crude way possible).

I feel like it's a fan's duty (and desire) to shield their favourite player, their idol, from eating a ton of e-shit. I can't change the facts, but I'm staying up until 4AM right now (EST) after pulling two consecutive all-nighters (bridge design project and innovative freight policies presentation) to find all these articles and translate so that at least, I've done my part in giving out a more complete picture of the situation.

I think January did the right thing for the team - this sends a strong message to the players to step it up because Stork will be busy time to time and the rest of the team needs to do their part. The timing of this, however, is probably as bad as it could have been - right when Stork's about to play his individual league matches.

And alright, for my personal speculations - Stork really could have begged Coach January to put him back in the entry spot, or at least let him tag along so that he didn't have to eat a ton of shit. I think he should have at least tagged along so all of this fuss wouldn't come up. But in his right, the coach made her decision and that decision ended up giving Stork more practice time, which would have been hard to refuse, given the circumstances.

Various (but unofficial) sources have stated that it seems like Stork's GF broke up with him recently (Stork's interview: Fomos) so Stork is probably not in his best emotional state right now. Now that I think, even if January knew what Stork said in last season's interview, it was the right decision to rest him so that he could recover emotionally. I just hope he doesn't check the internet tonight.

Well, that's all I've got to say. Sleeping now. Someone else can grab the full interviews...
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Sworn
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada920 Posts
January 26 2011 09:08 GMT
#2
Thanks for translating this bit you did. A lot of people talk shit when some little thing comes up. Im glad to have some clarity in the air since Stork is obviously not one to not support his team.
"Duty is heavy as a mountain, death is light as a feather." CJ Entus Fighting! <3 Effort
bds.soko
Profile Joined June 2010
United States40 Posts
January 26 2011 09:12 GMT
#3
Optical Shot...I love you <3
smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
January 26 2011 09:13 GMT
#4
well kinda sad, but we all know that thread was just a flame bait anyway :> thanks for posting OS, gnight
sc2lime
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada513 Posts
January 26 2011 09:14 GMT
#5
Ya it was very unfortunate for Stork that it turned out looking this way and made him look like a hypocrite. Very bad timing indeed.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
January 26 2011 09:17 GMT
#6
no one likes to eat e-shit.

I understand the gripe of stork fans, and they have a right to be upset. I think that not going is a gamble. If stork wins OSL gold, all will be forgiven, but if he is eliminated from both leagues, then he wont hear the end of it for a long time, deservedly so.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
January 26 2011 09:23 GMT
#7
Obviously, they just cover for Stork.
If you don't want Stork to play - ok, just don't send him out. Why not to bring him as spectator then? There is no excuse for Stork.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
January 26 2011 09:23 GMT
#8
Even if he gets dual silver I dont think anyone would get mad at him

stork fighting!

thanks for posting this message and translating stuff!
Jaedong :3
Moridin
Profile Joined December 2009
Bulgaria164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 09:35:05
January 26 2011 09:32 GMT
#9
Can I just slightly disagree/just see it from different angle. I'm absolutely sure that Stork wanted to participate and I'm sure the coach made the decision but... Is there someone that believes she would have done it if it wasn't for Stork's final? One man team - bla bla bla, ok then lets remove jaedong, flash, bisu and maybe curently Bogus and so on...lets get rid of them their wins are making their teams - one man teams. My point is - every win is vital, all the teams think of anything that could increase their chances to win in each round. The decision was taken mostly duetof the finals - without blaming Stork or anyone for not showing. I believe it's normal not to participate in one round to prepare for the finals. I believe last year Stork just really wanted to play Flash and when that didn't happen he said those things. I still I think he was not right.
It's about time.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
January 26 2011 10:05 GMT
#10
On January 26 2011 18:23 Yodo wrote:
Obviously, they just cover for Stork.
If you don't want Stork to play - ok, just don't send him out. Why not to bring him as spectator then? There is no excuse for Stork.


Because the whole point of not letting Stork play today is to use the time spared to practice, not to have fun.
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Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
January 26 2011 10:19 GMT
#11
2 endy
Did you read the interview?
Let me make it clear, his absense is not because he's practising for OSL
lastmotion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
368 Posts
January 26 2011 10:27 GMT
#12
On January 26 2011 18:32 Moridin wrote:
Can I just slightly disagree/just see it from different angle. I'm absolutely sure that Stork wanted to participate and I'm sure the coach made the decision but... Is there someone that believes she would have done it if it wasn't for Stork's final? One man team - bla bla bla, ok then lets remove jaedong, flash, bisu and maybe curently Bogus and so on...lets get rid of them their wins are making their teams - one man teams. My point is - every win is vital, all the teams think of anything that could increase their chances to win in each round. The decision was taken mostly duetof the finals - without blaming Stork or anyone for not showing. I believe it's normal not to participate in one round to prepare for the finals. I believe last year Stork just really wanted to play Flash and when that didn't happen he said those things. I still I think he was not right.


Dear Flash fan, can you just let it die? Stork is at least honest about things, and he practiced to snipe Flash and Flash didn't show up so he said that long time ago. Times change, new situations arise, and Stork might have had to go back on his words, but does it really matter so much? The OP posted other reasons as to why it was good for Stork not showing up (GF breakup, changing Khan's image, etc), I think Stork is perfectly justified in taking the day off.

p.s. stop using so many hyphens, thanks
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 10:53:02
January 26 2011 10:30 GMT
#13
Thats why you should be careful in what you say to others in a interview . If you bash someone for a mistake or decision that he makes make sure you don't make the same mistake or decision as him it will just make you look bad . Frankly the shit he is geting is probably somewhat deserved after what he said to Flash who was working his ass of last season to keep up the results he was making . I have no sympathy for Stork right now . I don't hate him or anything for this , but at least now he should know a little in what situation Flash was last season before he makes a statement .

Also Flash even apologized to Stork or his fans ( don't know why he had to apologize ) , after he read Stork's interview , lets see if Stork is going to do the same .
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
January 26 2011 10:33 GMT
#14
On January 26 2011 19:19 Yodo wrote:
2 endy
Did you read the interview?
Show nested quote +
Let me make it clear, his absense is not because he's practising for OSL


Yeah he is probably practising for the MSL .
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
January 26 2011 10:33 GMT
#15
On January 26 2011 19:30 raga4ka wrote:
Thats why you should be careful in what you say to others in a interview . If you bash someone for a mistake or decision that he makes make sure you don't make the same mistake or decision as him it will make you look bad . Frankly the shit he is geting is probably somewhat deserved after what he said to Flash who was working his ass of last season to keep up the results he was making . I have no sympathy for him right now . I don't hate him or anything for this , but at least now he should know in what situation Flash was last season before he makes a statement .

As if Stork cares a shit what pple are saying about him over the internet. There are only 2 things on his mind at the moment. OSL gold and MSL gold.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 10:41:14
January 26 2011 10:35 GMT
#16
On January 26 2011 18:32 Moridin wrote:
Can I just slightly disagree/just see it from different angle. I'm absolutely sure that Stork wanted to participate and I'm sure the coach made the decision but... Is there someone that believes she would have done it if it wasn't for Stork's final? One man team - bla bla bla, ok then lets remove jaedong, flash, bisu and maybe curently Bogus and so on...lets get rid of them their wins are making their teams - one man teams. My point is - every win is vital, all the teams think of anything that could increase their chances to win in each round. The decision was taken mostly duetof the finals - without blaming Stork or anyone for not showing. I believe it's normal not to participate in one round to prepare for the finals. I believe last year Stork just really wanted to play Flash and when that didn't happen he said those things. I still I think he was not right.


You obviously don't follow Khan much. January routinely let her top players take matches off. She also rotates the Ace player. She also tell her star players to go F themselves if they slack off, and replace them in her lineup with youngsters instead. Whether you agree with her coaching style, or you agree with letting Jaedong/Flash practice til their hands fall off, is not the question here.

You may disagree with her thought process, but it's consistent with her past decisions.

Edit: Thanks Opticalshot for the translation. E-SHIT is serious business.
Meh
structuralinertia
Profile Joined June 2009
Australia1426 Posts
January 26 2011 10:45 GMT
#17
Excellent overview of the situation OpticalShot - you're even-handed, non-judgmental, and non-self-righteous
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 10:55:49
January 26 2011 10:51 GMT
#18
On January 26 2011 19:19 Yodo wrote:
2 endy
Did you read the interview?
Show nested quote +
Let me make it clear, his absense is not because he's practising for OSL


Yes. Didn't you say yourself a few posts above that teammates simply covered for Stork ? I do agree on this part.

On January 26 2011 18:23 Yodo wrote:
Obviously, they just cover for Stork.


The fact that January doesn't want her team to look like a one man team is totally understandable, and I am glad that Khan could win anyway. But it's obvious that Stork who's already down 0-1 against ZerO is going to use this spare time to practice.

Isn't too big of a coincidence that January decides to prove her team is not a one man team just before Stork has to play a Ro8 where he's down 0-1, and an OSL final ?

It's totally normal for teammates to try cover up, as it is totally fine (at least it is for me) that Stork doesn't play in PL today to practice more for individual leagues. I don't think that Stork deserves so much hate just because of an interview from last year.

edit :
also :
Jangbi: Stork didn't come to the stadium today and he's eating a ton of criticism from fans. It seems like the meaning behind this is to deliver us a strong message to get our acts together, not just to give Stork practice time. I don't think this is solely because of practice so I hope people don't too much offense from this.


Jangbi admits that the decision of not letting Stork play today is at least partly due to practice.

edit2 : damn I forgot to say thanks. OP put a great effort there !
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 11:53:10
January 26 2011 11:02 GMT
#19
Taking criticism for this is perfectly normal. Yes it is hypocritical to call one player out for forsaking his team for a match in order to practice for leagues and then do the same, especially after "back when my schedule was full, I prepared and play for both my individual and proleague games". I really don't buy this whole 'the coach forced him to stay home, he couldn't do anything about it, so lets all feel bad for the clearly innocent Stork with 0 power over the situation' bit.

Now was he wrong for taking time off to practice? not at all, I would have done the same thing. I wouldn't have said shit to Flash about it last year though, since its totally understandable. This is just another small dose of e-drama. So I'm sorry Stork, you're just going to have to eat it and next time choose your words more carefully.

I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4640 Posts
January 26 2011 11:03 GMT
#20
Leave Stork aloneeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
This neo violence, pure self defiance
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