• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:50
CET 20:50
KST 04:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker? [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1612 users

Stork didn't show up for today's PL game because.. - Page 2

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 26 2011 11:13 GMT
#21
Yeah, so I was right that it was January's call.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
January 26 2011 11:13 GMT
#22
First of all I dont think january would make the choice to pull stork out to force his teamates to work harder at this time, the only time that it runs the risk of making stork look like a hypocrit.

I also doubt it is just storks teamates covering for him. He would lose too much face demanding that sort of a thing from his teamates, to expect them to lie on his behalf when he critisized flash is something that I cannot imagine a pro gamer with any self respect doing.

What I assume is more likely is that maybe he fealt stressed, talked to january, and then she pulled him out to allow him to save face and get some rest or practice. She is a coach that cares a lot for the wellbeing of her team.

Making these sorts of speculations may be stupid but really there is no way to actually know who is behind storks absence. Really it would have been best for him to beg to go in order to avoid upsetting any of his fans. Whether he decided to stay, or just allowed january to force him to stay, he knew how people would react, and he made his choice. Of course we should remember that even if he is acting like a hypocrit, it shouldn't make anyone respect his play or sucess any less.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Moridin
Profile Joined December 2009
Bulgaria165 Posts
January 26 2011 11:22 GMT
#23
On January 26 2011 19:27 lastmotion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 18:32 Moridin wrote:
Can I just slightly disagree/just see it from different angle. I'm absolutely sure that Stork wanted to participate and I'm sure the coach made the decision but... Is there someone that believes she would have done it if it wasn't for Stork's final? One man team - bla bla bla, ok then lets remove jaedong, flash, bisu and maybe curently Bogus and so on...lets get rid of them their wins are making their teams - one man teams. My point is - every win is vital, all the teams think of anything that could increase their chances to win in each round. The decision was taken mostly duetof the finals - without blaming Stork or anyone for not showing. I believe it's normal not to participate in one round to prepare for the finals. I believe last year Stork just really wanted to play Flash and when that didn't happen he said those things. I still I think he was not right.


Dear Flash fan, can you just let it die? Stork is at least honest about things, and he practiced to snipe Flash and Flash didn't show up so he said that long time ago. Times change, new situations arise, and Stork might have had to go back on his words, but does it really matter so much? The OP posted other reasons as to why it was good for Stork not showing up (GF breakup, changing Khan's image, etc), I think Stork is perfectly justified in taking the day off.

p.s. stop using so many hyphens, thanks



Dear lastmotion,

If it doesn't matter so much why are you posting? I like Stork but I am angry when I see him go against his own words. The OP posted what his teamates and coach said we all know he is practising like hell. I think he is justified in taking the day off(practising his head off) as well, just it's better to think before saying something and then look like hypocrite, right?
It's about time.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
January 26 2011 11:23 GMT
#24
I'm pretty sure Stork remembers, and that January had a part in it.
But if the broke up with gf part is true, which I believe because in his last interview he seemed really really in a strange state of mind, that's obviously a pretty big part of it too, and a better excuse than the rest in fact.
PS : yeah, I'm pretty sure reading korean comments will hurt him, it's not because it's on the internet it doesn't matter.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
January 26 2011 11:52 GMT
#25
"I hope people don't misunderstand and hate him for this. I'm pretty sure he was watching TV and cheering for us instead of practising."

aaawwwww. :3
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
January 26 2011 11:53 GMT
#26
oh man the drama! E-drama! so awesome!
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 11:57:29
January 26 2011 11:56 GMT
#27
On January 26 2011 18:32 Moridin wrote:
Can I just slightly disagree/just see it from different angle. I'm absolutely sure that Stork wanted to participate and I'm sure the coach made the decision but... Is there someone that believes she would have done it if it wasn't for Stork's final? One man team - bla bla bla, ok then lets remove jaedong, flash, bisu and maybe curently Bogus and so on...lets get rid of them their wins are making their teams - one man teams. My point is - every win is vital, all the teams think of anything that could increase their chances to win in each round. The decision was taken mostly duetof the finals - without blaming Stork or anyone for not showing. I believe it's normal not to participate in one round to prepare for the finals. I believe last year Stork just really wanted to play Flash and when that didn't happen he said those things. I still I think he was not right.


It's a bit of a running joke for BW fans to call the Samsung Coach Trollulary because she often chooses against sending stork despite the situation.

Thus the contention that January did it to show Khan is solid team without the Commander is not as ridiculous as you may believe.

Edit: spelling.
Selth
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States469 Posts
January 26 2011 12:22 GMT
#28
I really don't see what the big deal is. Yes, Stork came off as a hypocrite because of what he said about Flash previously, but who hasn't come off as a hypocrite at one point in their lives? We just happen to be giving him tons of e-shit just cause he was blatantly caught in the act.

Stork and January both probably knew well that leaving Stork out of the PL game tonight was going to bring up this ton of e-shit but you know what? They went ahead with it anyway for whatever reason, be it the girlfriend issue, practicing for the individual leagues, making sure the team image isn't like KT Flash or Jaedong OZ, or whatever. People should really just let it go. If anything, Stork will have something to say personally on the issue. If not, well, stop trying to feed the fire and let it go. As much as we'd like Stork to be an actual Commander of the Protoss Fleet, he's only human.

Last word: Good work OpticalShot for the translations and dedication.
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
January 26 2011 13:02 GMT
#29
On January 26 2011 19:51 endy wrote:


The fact that January doesn't want her team to look like a one man team is totally understandable, and I am glad that Khan could win anyway. But it's obvious that Stork who's already down 0-1 against ZerO is going to use this spare time to practice.

Isn't too big of a coincidence that January decides to prove her team is not a one man team just before Stork has to play a Ro8 where he's down 0-1, and an OSL final ?

No, but it does coincide with the fact that KHAN was consecutively down 0-3 before Stork was sent out. Remember when Bisu was not sent out when his team lost 3-4 after the 2 allkills when he was send out 2nd? If I remember right, he was NOT in any final at that time, how coincident. I think the coaches share a common thought about the health of A TEAM, which is to not depend on a individual, who is not Flash.
And why he didn't show up. Ok, guys, be realistic. According to his teammates, he did practice for the match but the coach made it clear that she would not use him. Then why SHOULD he show up if he wouldn't be used? I mean, ok, he wanted to contribute to the team but if he couldn't possibly to do that and found himself having some time off then why he shouldn't practice for the matches? It's not like the matches is not important to be honest.
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
January 26 2011 13:26 GMT
#30
On January 26 2011 22:02 chisuri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 19:51 endy wrote:


The fact that January doesn't want her team to look like a one man team is totally understandable, and I am glad that Khan could win anyway. But it's obvious that Stork who's already down 0-1 against ZerO is going to use this spare time to practice.

Isn't too big of a coincidence that January decides to prove her team is not a one man team just before Stork has to play a Ro8 where he's down 0-1, and an OSL final ?

No, but it does coincide with the fact that KHAN was consecutively down 0-3 before Stork was sent out. Remember when Bisu was not sent out when his team lost 3-4 after the 2 allkills when he was send out 2nd? If I remember right, he was NOT in any final at that time, how coincident. I think the coaches share a common thought about the health of A TEAM, which is to not depend on a individual, who is not Flash.
And why he didn't show up. Ok, guys, be realistic. According to his teammates, he did practice for the match but the coach made it clear that she would not use him. Then why SHOULD he show up if he wouldn't be used? I mean, ok, he wanted to contribute to the team but if he couldn't possibly to do that and found himself having some time off then why he shouldn't practice for the matches? It's not like the matches is not important to be honest.

Strategery, obviously. If you get a guy to show up as though you were gonna play him and then not play him, that would be one thing. But having him not show up at all clearly hurts your chances.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
January 26 2011 13:31 GMT
#31
On January 26 2011 22:26 Gummy wrote:
Strategery, obviously. If you get a guy to show up as though you were gonna play him and then not play him, that would be one thing. But having him not show up at all clearly hurts your chances.

If you want THE OTHER MEMBERS to step up and win by themselves then not bring Stork will make the point clear and firm. They will know FOR SURE that they can't rely on him anymore. And hey, KHAN did win without Stork so January was right, do you agree? And it did boost the team's morale significantly, I assure you.
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1806 Posts
January 26 2011 14:21 GMT
#32
to me, its kinda odd that a coach would exclude a star player out of the blue especially this deep in the proleague season to "send a message" to the team to make them pull their socks up.

if stork didn't have any individual league matches, i doubt he would have been pulled out.

this is just my take. i am neither a fan nor hater of stork
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
ffz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States490 Posts
January 26 2011 14:24 GMT
#33
wait so tldr version of the important part of this whole thread is.... STORK IS SINGLE NOW!?!?!?
Meow.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 14:33:47
January 26 2011 14:31 GMT
#34
On January 26 2011 23:21 JMave wrote:
to me, its kinda odd that a coach would exclude a star player out of the blue especially this deep in the proleague season to "send a message" to the team to make them pull their socks up.

if stork didn't have any individual league matches, i doubt he would have been pulled out.

this is just my take. i am neither a fan nor hater of stork

You don't know coach January man......=="

Edit: the amount of times ive gone.....Fuck yeah Stork's up now! only to cringe minutes later.... Juni/Reality/Sharp wtf....=0
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 26 2011 15:10 GMT
#35
On January 26 2011 23:21 JMave wrote:
to me, its kinda odd that a coach would exclude a star player out of the blue especially this deep in the proleague season to "send a message" to the team to make them pull their socks up.


1. WL was only 5 games old when this happened. And in those 5 games, Samsung went down 0-3 twice before Stork played.
2. January once benched FBH/Jangbi/Stork when they were fighting for the last spot of the playoffs and almost lost out to KT for the last spot.



Meh
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 26 2011 15:14 GMT
#36
Khan is giving the guy more practice time for the OSL and MSL. I see nothing wrong with that. I don't get why anyone would rip on him for getting more practice in.
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
January 26 2011 15:18 GMT
#37
On January 27 2011 00:14 StarStruck wrote:
Khan is giving the guy more practice time for the OSL and MSL. I see nothing wrong with that. I don't get why anyone would rip on him for getting more practice in.

Cuz Stork ripped Flash last year for the same thing.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
January 26 2011 15:39 GMT
#38
so who cares? we can look everything this guys said 59349545 years ago up and say "LOL U SAID THAT NOW U DO THE SAME".
dont even know if he would say the same now or half a year later...
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 26 2011 15:40 GMT
#39
On January 27 2011 00:18 Gummy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 00:14 StarStruck wrote:
Khan is giving the guy more practice time for the OSL and MSL. I see nothing wrong with that. I don't get why anyone would rip on him for getting more practice in.

Cuz Stork ripped Flash last year for the same thing.

jesus christ thats so dramatic lets discuss it for the next 10 pages and wait for haters to point out how bad he is and for his fans to support him and blame his haters
YADADADAD
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
January 26 2011 15:47 GMT
#40
i think it's pretty embarassing that this is such a big deal here, both on tl and fomos. Stork said this words a long time ago, he changed his opinion and moved on. so should we. i don't wanna get judged on things i said almost a year ago and neither will i judge somebody the same way
Bisu... ;-(
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IPSL
18:00
Ro24 Group F
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
Liquipedia
LAN Event
15:00
Stellar Fest: Day 3
Clem vs ZounLIVE!
ComeBackTV 1947
UrsaTVCanada937
IndyStarCraft 427
EnkiAlexander 110
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 427
ProTech120
Railgan 56
CosmosSc2 16
StarCraft: Brood War
White-Ra 90
Backho 61
scan(afreeca) 20
ZZZero.O 2
Dota 2
qojqva3039
Counter-Strike
PGG 65
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox876
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor549
Liquid`Hasu286
Other Games
gofns5709
Grubby3641
FrodaN1512
B2W.Neo742
Liquid`VortiX259
ceh9233
Sick166
Hui .144
mouzStarbuck112
ArmadaUGS107
Mew2King83
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick891
StarCraft 2
angryscii 10
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 21
• davetesta19
• HeavenSC 14
• Reevou 11
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 10
• Michael_bg 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler91
League of Legends
• Nemesis3956
• imaqtpie1639
Other Games
• WagamamaTV468
• Shiphtur322
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
10m
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
OSC
3h 10m
OSC
13h 10m
Wardi Open
16h 10m
Wardi Open
20h 10m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
6 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.