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PhOeniX[MinD]
Profile Joined August 2008
361 Posts
December 29 2010 09:18 GMT
#301
im sure he is not ending his progamer carreer
KT_FlaSh #1
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
December 29 2010 09:34 GMT
#302
SKT have recently been ridiculously strong for a long time because every team member, no matter how bad they might be, have an actual place on the team instead of being Jaedong's or Flash's practice servants.

So, from your point of view Flash and JD should be ashamed of themselves coz they don't slump like Fanta and Bisu? BTW I doubt that strong player in the team can stop development of the others.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
December 29 2010 09:37 GMT
#303
A sad sad day
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 29 2010 09:51 GMT
#304
Hmm, I think that problems with KT could be the reason. If he's going on a trip, it's not family problems(and that would probably warrant a leave rather than a retirement), so it must be something that would prevent him from playing. Flash playing well at the expense of his teammates' performance is something that needs to be noted for sure. KT problems seem very likely.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
December 29 2010 09:56 GMT
#305
Really hope he switches to SC2.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 10:17:18
December 29 2010 09:58 GMT
#306
On December 29 2010 18:34 Yodo wrote:
Show nested quote +
SKT have recently been ridiculously strong for a long time because every team member, no matter how bad they might be, have an actual place on the team instead of being Jaedong's or Flash's practice servants.

So, from your point of view Flash and JD should be ashamed of themselves coz they don't slump like Fanta and Bisu? BTW I doubt that strong player in the team can stop development of the others.



When your golden boy (example: Jaedong having personal dinners with the late Coach Cho's family) gets all the attention, people around you tend to get jealous and lose motivation to perform. Its the coach's duty to make sure this type of stuff doesn't happen, something that SKT's coach and CJ's Coach Cho seemed to do especially well.

I do believe a strong player can stop development in a whole team because they get most of the attention from the coaches. When KT gave their lesser players "special training" during the offseason before the 09-10 Proleague season, they performed like Gods...people like Violet played so well that they looked like top players. I wouldn't be surprised that after Flash kept making finals, they put a lot more emphasis on his performance seeing he gave KT a good name by winning everything.

I mentioned Rubens Barrichello and Michael Schumacher for a reason. Ferrari management forced Rubens to follow team order and let the "better" Schumacher win because he was the team's ace so to speak: its not really the fault of the players but really the fault of the people who call the shots. While progaming won't have anything that extreme (even the Hwasin and Calm incident wasn't that bad), preferential treatment can be disastrous to team relationships and I wouldn't be surprised if that is actually part of the reason for KT's massive crash this season.

So should the players be ashamed for performing well? No they should be proud of their achievements. As I thought I clearly stated, it wouldn't surprise me if Forgg has massive issues with KT's coaching staff and quit because of lack of attention. Heck, KT is probably the team I think of when people mention players getting angry at each other (Sair chewing out Flash for losing to cheese, the whole of KT basically chewing out Tempest for a bad performance).
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 29 2010 11:02 GMT
#307
Come on stop speculating and let the guy go with all his honor okay ??
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
December 29 2010 11:55 GMT
#308
oh fuck
that was unexpected...
gl in the future forGG, we'll be missing you.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 29 2010 12:06 GMT
#309
Speculations based on rumours; awesome.

I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 29 2010 12:53 GMT
#310
Well the replies and speculations here are much better in terms of content and manner than the actual Korean articles on Fomos (one about his retirement and one about KT's reaction). Couldn't find anything more than "combination of personal issues and recent poor performance" in the articles. Personally, since he's only 20 years old (1990 born), I hope that he'll set himself up (via university education, for example) for another career that he finds suitable. Progaming has its downsides and I think fOrGG just had enough at this point.
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
December 29 2010 12:54 GMT
#311
Gotta be some issues in the team thats causing it, especially when you see the results. The fact that he was deep in a league when Flash wasn't probably heightened emotions and caused him to say 'You know what, fuck it now you won't have a player in it at all'.
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
December 29 2010 13:10 GMT
#312
I bet that the relationship between forGG and Flash in KT is nowhere as good as the link between Bisu and Best in SKT. After all, girls get along better than boys.
Khassar de Templari
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 13:26:09
December 29 2010 13:19 GMT
#313
Aww, I really liked him back in early 2008.

I'm wondering about the retirement "canceling" rules, though. Would it theoretically be possible for someone(ForGG in this case) to retire, giving Flash the chance to win the tiebreaker and get into the MSL and win it, and could ForGG ask to get back into the team afterwards(If there even was a tiebreaker, none here... meh this post is feeling so pointless -_-)?

This is completely hypotethical, I'm just wondering about the rules and if this would be legal or possible(not implying that this is what they're doing).

Oh, but I hope he'll play SC2. That'll be AMAZING, especially if he plays Terran(timing attacker + timing attack game + timing attack race = win).
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Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 14:16:23
December 29 2010 14:14 GMT
#314
I mentioned Rubens Barrichello and Michael Schumacher for a reason.

Nice example. So how about Rubens performance after team changing? It was mediocrity, despite Michael absence. And it was his performance in Ferrari that gave him standing ground to claim more attention for his person. How you can ask the same treatment as number one if your performance not good? You theory would be true only if ForGG has showed some splendid performance and KT coach continued to ignore him. If you want to be treated like a star then start wining games, use your jealousy as motivation (and note there are no evidences that ForGG was treated badly).
Two top players can be obstacles for each other, top and others - no.
When KT gave their lesser players "special training" during the offseason before the 09-10 Proleague season, they performed like Gods

Yeah, and then massive Bisu slump was due to massive care from the coach side I believe?
Tons of players have ups and downs, today Violet is gosu, few days later: welcome to B lvl again. Thats why S players so different: they are stable.
Keep it simple. ForGG just slumped and after few attempts to recover decided to quit. And add to this that SCBW's future not so bright and we even can't be sure of the next season.

girls get along better than boys

From my experience it is totally opposite =)
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 14:26:34
December 29 2010 14:25 GMT
#315
Time attacker...I will miss him, as I will any progamers who won a tournament. One of his most memorable games was (even though I didn't watch that many ForGG games) for me his 1 base mech timing push against Effort in Korean Air OSL. I appreciated his creativity and ballsiness in that game.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
December 29 2010 14:29 GMT
#316
I have this strange feeling that his switching over to SC2 and join either IM or TSL or ST. If he ever comes back to BW its his gonna be a coach.
Cheers! //¯◡◡¯\\ 문채원 | 한지우 -___-
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
December 29 2010 14:30 GMT
#317
ForGG + Terran Timing attacks + SC2 => :D
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Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
December 29 2010 14:46 GMT
#318
If it was frustration with the team, why would he quit right before the MSL? Something would have to push him over the edge.
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
December 29 2010 15:46 GMT
#319
This is very puzzling because Forgg is the KT vice-captain. And he only took over the role this season.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45286 Posts
December 29 2010 16:13 GMT
#320
On December 29 2010 18:04 tomatriedes wrote:
10-1 he's going to SC2. If Zergbong can win a title in SC2 then Forgg should be able to win five.


LOL.

That would be nice. I just hope that we don't see more of KTFlash and JaedongOz's players leaving the SC1 scene simply because they're terrible compared to Flash or Jaedong.
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