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mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On October 10 2010 03:17 Borknagarush wrote: Spinel720, Honestly do you think that people are intrested in watching 12 year old artwork and listening same music every day? I almost never look at artwork more recent than 12 years old, which is also true for the music I listen to. I could listen to SC1 music for days on end. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
Which theatre is it that has helped Paramount pictures and Dreamwork advertise their products continually for 10 years, several hours everyday, all the while paying for those products again? oO Im interested in knowing who could have done that and whether Paramount or Dreamwork would be stupid enough to turn them down, much less sue them for it. | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
korea bought how many millions of copies of sc:bw vs rest of the worlD? they helped the spur the sales of Bw into upward regions unheard of for a RTS game. blizzard just wants korea to broadcasto nly sc2, to see the sales they saw of BW but in a new game. greedy bastard | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
God i hate blizzard more and more every days. | ||
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Lightningbullet
United States507 Posts
On October 07 2010 14:57 phosphorylation wrote: Blizzard vs Korea Good luck blizzard. Round One! Start! | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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stangstang
Canada281 Posts
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Lightningbullet
United States507 Posts
On October 10 2010 09:05 stangstang wrote: Its sad to see people hating on blizzard for this. They want recognition for the product they have created. For the people saying that blizzard wants BW to die, please state your sources instead of spreading this misinformation. We're not saying exactly that. We're saying that Blizzard cares more about money. | ||
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Lightningbullet
United States507 Posts
On October 10 2010 08:48 Fenrax wrote: I hope they finally get a solution, I want PL and OSL/MSL Prelims to start. I also hope Korea wins and Blizzard loses. me, too. But BoxeR left.  :'( | ||
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stangstang
Canada281 Posts
On October 10 2010 09:07 Lightningbullet wrote: We're not saying exactly that. We're saying that Blizzard cares more about money. Of course they do. They made an amazing product and they should be compensated for the use of this product. | ||
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mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On October 10 2010 09:13 stangstang wrote: Of course they do. They made an amazing product and they should be compensated for the use of this product. They are going way overboard with their demands of compensation if BW dies in the process. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:12 splints wrote: QFT. Blizzard looks like they are trying to boss around a country (like Nike does with Indonesia, etc) because they are a multi-national corporation. If the translation and the news is correct, it was very disrespectful to talk to a Minister like that, just because it is a foreign country. I'm sure he would not talk to any departmental secretaries in the US like he did in that meeting. How are they bossing around a country by asking them to respect their IP rights, exactly? | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
1. Keep silent about Korean E-Sports for 7+ years 2. Reap in SC:BW sales with popularity created by E-Sports 3. Create SC2 to milk more money 4. Suddenly want compensation for free advertisement for BW 5. Make a list of unacceptable demands 6. Sell the non-existent IP rights to a proxy puppet 7. Claim Korea not respecting IP rights(unacceptable demands) 8. Insult Minister of Culture 9. ??? That is my very anti-Blizzard take on it. 99% of it are true anyways. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On October 10 2010 13:16 zenMaster wrote: 1. Keep silent about Korean E-Sports for 7+ years They didn't even keep silent. They were more than happy to invite KeSPA's top players over for Blizzcon. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51102 Posts
On October 10 2010 13:16 zenMaster wrote: Blizzard's BW-killing strategies: 1. Keep silent about Korean E-Sports for 7+ years 2. Reap in SC:BW sales with popularity created by E-Sports 3. Create SC2 to milk more money 4. Suddenly want compensation for free advertisement for BW 5. Make a list of unacceptable demands 6. Sell the non-existent IP rights to a proxy puppet 7. Claim Korea not respecting IP rights(unacceptable demands) 8. Insult Minister of Culture 9. ??? That is my very anti-Blizzard take on it. 99% of it are true anyways. all of it is true other than point 5. Why?Because OGN and MBC were made the same offer and OGN accepted the terms whereas MBC said they wouldn't(or Couldn't I'm not sure). and this is profiteering...Not killing. they're making all the wrong moves leading them to such a stupid position where they are killing BW off...Is it intentional?I don't think so. I'm not going to argue whats happening since we already know that its pretty clear whats happening,I'm just arguing the 'Why'. EDIT: point 3 is pointless....Its a sequel to the game,no harm in making a sequel...its only what you do with it. | ||
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Plissken_2097
Spain628 Posts
On October 10 2010 13:19 moopie wrote: They didn't even keep silent. They were more than happy to invite KeSPA's top players over for Blizzcon. That's the 2nd point actually. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
But its also a soft endorsement of KeSPA. It wasn't an IP issue until they needed it to be. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
Which offer are you talking about? MBC is making a BETTER offer than OGN and is getting rejected. As for Blizz's unacceptable demands, you can read up more about it rather than just claiming them as wrong. 1. Set the contract term for using its games to 1 year 2. Prior approvals about all league operations such as contracting sponsorship, marketing materials, broadcasting plan 3. License fee for running of league and all license fee of sponsorship inducement 4. Ownership of all broadcasted programs, program videos 5. Right to audit KeSPA I assume that it is clear to you how these demands are unreasonable, so i wont explain (ok maybe 3 is marginally reasonable, if you omit the sponsor part). Take a good look at Blizz's condition yourself. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5838 Posts
On October 10 2010 13:26 BLinD-RawR wrote: all of it is true other than point 5. Why?Because OGN and MBC were made the same offer and OGN accepted the terms whereas MBC said they wouldn't(or Couldn't I'm not sure). and this is profiteering...Not killing. they're making all the wrong moves leading them to such a stupid position where they are killing BW off...Is it intentional?I don't think so. I'm not going to argue whats happening since we already know that its pretty clear whats happening,I'm just arguing the 'Why'. EDIT: point 3 is pointless....Its a sequel to the game,no harm in making a sequel...its only what you do with it. OGN only complied because they had more to lose at the time of the negotiations (Korean Air OSL S2 with finals in Shanghai). On October 10 2010 16:03 ffreakk wrote: @ BLinD-RawR Which offer are you talking about? MBC is making a BETTER offer than OGN and is getting rejected. As for Blizz's unacceptable demands, you can read up more about it rather than just claiming them as wrong. 1. Set the contract term for using its games to 1 year 2. Prior approvals about all league operations such as contracting sponsorship, marketing materials, broadcasting plan 3. License fee for running of league and all license fee of sponsorship inducement 4. Ownership of all broadcasted programs, program videos 5. Right to audit KeSPA I assume that it is clear to you how these demands are unreasonable, so i wont explain (ok maybe 3 is marginally reasonable, if you omit the sponsor part). Take a good look at Blizz's condition yourself. To add to that, Blizzard wanted every progamer to sign an additional contract with them that'd override the contract with their actual sponsor/team. They basically wanted the ownership of everything e-sports related, including the players themselves... You also can't foget that the deal Gretech got was significantly different: 1. 3 year contract (instead of just 1, which is ridiculous). 2. They have no progamers Blizzard could sign additional contracts with (running a team like CJ takes roughly 40 million dollars a year). 3. Gretech has few shows nobody even watches, as opposed to OGN/MBC, which have produced dozens of popular, quality shows (not to mention they're TV stations, so production costs are higher for them). 4. Prior approval about everything - they're just a small, insignificant company, it's a blessing for them they got the IP rights so easily, why would they complain (on the other hand, KeSPA is the equivalent of FIFA/national soccer associations for esports in Korea - recognized by the government as such). 5. Auditing Gretech, a small software developer is no dig deal. KeSPA, on the other hand, consists of several major Korean conglomerates. 6. Afaik Gretech got the IP rights practically for free, while Blizzard demanded KeSPA pay a lot of money (not completely sure about this one). | ||
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sk`
Japan442 Posts
On October 10 2010 13:16 zenMaster wrote: Blizzard's BW-killing strategies: 1. Keep silent about Korean E-Sports for 7+ years 2. Reap in SC:BW sales with popularity created by E-Sports 3. Create SC2 to milk more money 4. Suddenly want compensation for free advertisement for BW 5. Make a list of unacceptable demands 6. Sell the non-existent IP rights to a proxy puppet 7. Claim Korea not respecting IP rights(unacceptable demands) 8. Insult Minister of Culture 9. ??? That is my very anti-Blizzard take on it. 99% of it are true anyways. 1. If they were silent, why would BW be at Blizzcons? 2. Are you serious? BW is super easy to pirate and even more so thanks to iCCup. If you track actual BW sales numbers, there hasn't been any trending outside of the first two years. Korean esports did nothing to help BW sales. 3. Proof? What SC2 community did they create? I've yet to see any new community. 4. Doesn't seem like a "suddenly". Either way, sudden or not, they are entitled to control how their IP is used. If the government ignores this they will set a precedent that puts Korea in the same waste basket as China in terms of IP law and control. 5. See #4. They can control their IP anyway they want. KeSPA has been profiting off Blizz's IP for a very long time and using some of those profits to create competitive games; all of which have failed. KeSPA uses ill-gotten gains to attack the company they are getting those gains from. And now they want to cry over a spanking for it? 6. "Non-existent". Do some homework on IP law. 7. If the government does side with KeSPA then they indeed do not respect IP rights. Besides, Korea isn't exactly known as a bastion of innovation. They see the US and Japan does and make it cheaper. Unlike China, they don't tend to just steal. 8. Cultural differences can turn one phrase from compliment to insult. If the translation is correct, I find it funny how their minister acts like a child, "A company president talking to me like this!"... I mean, really? Who things in terms of status like that? Anyway, have fun hating the company that made BW. I'm sure that will spur them on to keep making titles for you to enjoy and not just ignore your troll ass completely. | ||
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