From the looks of things, is there a possibility that Korean Government will tell KeSPA, OGN, and MBC that they can continue operation without Blizzard's approval? If they're upsetting government this much, I don't see how Blizzard will be able to enforce their rules if the Korean Government is unwilling to uphold them.

accela

Greece314 Posts

October 09 2010 03:34 GMT

#322

yeah all those virtual fights and such might be nice but imho the reality is never so dramatic and in the end they will solve this in a very lame way and everyone will be "happy", happy as all sides will have ensure their profit.

That's why there is really no reason to take sides and have harsh feelings with each other. Money talk here.

BLinD-RawR

ALLEYCAT BLUES50868 Posts

October 09 2010 04:11 GMT

#323

to ME This seems like a publicity stunt so that readers can look at some juicy shit and claim that there is a lot of drama going on.

TrialanError

United States41 Posts

October 09 2010 05:45 GMT

#324

I am seeing a lot of anti-blizzard posts here about blizzard having some part in the esports arena in s.korea. I'm confused about all of this. Why shouldn't they get some money from the esports area? I'm not trying to troll or anything but could someone open my eyes up to why this is such a bad thing if blizzard wins this? Isn't it a good thing that blizzard is trying to participate in esports at all?

ffreakk

Singapore2155 Posts

October 09 2010 06:20 GMT

#325

@ TrialanError

This issue has been addressed before so i wont go into the details again.

But check out the Blizz's model of E-Sport (all controlled by Blizz's server, no LAN latency, chargable VoDs/streams, all custom maps n replays under their possession, no Pro teams, no stable jobs for gamers).. Now compare it with what we have now (many people getting stable salary, free viewership on live matches and VoDs).. You will likely be able to clearly see why Blizz's participation in E-Sport (assuming they keep their current model) is undesirable..

Most people (esp SC2 people) usually miss out on how important LAN latency is. Assuming they somehow manage to raise the skill cap, with B-net latency, superhuman split-second reaction will never be possible (read no REALLY skillful play is possible at all).

Logginurkeyz

United States375 Posts

October 09 2010 06:28 GMT

#326

I like the USA bashing in this thread by residents of the USA... It's like we all realize our nation is going to Hell in a hand-basket.

It sounds to me (I'm an engineer, not a paralegal- so take this with a grain of salt) that:
If it goes to the courts at all it will all depend upon where it is judged, rather than the content of the case. If it gets tried in the US, it will come down to intellectual property; if it gets tried anywhere else in the world, it will make the US look like the government is defending a megalomaniac corporation and probably end up in an antitrust suit.

While doing some reading on this topic, I found this:
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/05/28/blizzard-dumps-kespa-signs-gomtv

Basically, the article talks about how GomTV is the new KeSPA in Blizzard's eyes- which isn't rightly a fair comparison. The fact that Blizzard has such an exclusive licensing process makes KeSPA look like the bad guys. As far as antitrust goes, KeSPA could easily win that if it is presented that way in court- even in the US... Blizzard is monopolizing internet traffic to make money from a partnership with GomTV after Blizzard became dissatisfied with KeSPA.
However, if KeSPA were to win that case- nobody would EVER have to cry about GomTV filing copyright claims on YouTube videos or user-streamed content.

It could also snowball into something much worse, though. Form of, Blizz dropping support for the game early- but we all know Kotick is in it for the money and would never do that...

rasers

Sweden691 Posts

October 09 2010 06:31 GMT

#327

ur article... May 28, 2010
nothign new...

TrialanError

United States41 Posts

October 09 2010 06:37 GMT

#328

oh, I see where that would be a problem then. Thank you ffreakk

Logginurkeyz

United States375 Posts

October 09 2010 06:48 GMT

#329

On October 09 2010 15:31 rasers wrote:
ur article... May 28, 2010
nothign new...

I never said it was new. I was using it as a reference for my statement.

Falling

Canada11504 Posts

October 09 2010 07:09 GMT

#330

I don't understand how anti-trust laws would be involved. Blizzard isn't providing internet service let alone the only internet service in Korea. They're providing the game and controlling where and how it's shown (similar to movies or music or books). How is use of internet bandwidth considered a monopoly?

Bleak

Turkey3059 Posts

October 09 2010 07:30 GMT

#331

I don't believe how the head of a multi-national company with so much to lose on the line if they lose SK, would say things like that and be disrespectful against the Korean Minister. I don't believe this is true at all. The guy is the CEO of a company, he would act in a manner that wouldn't hurt his company at the first place, I'm sure they're educated about how to communicate best with leaders etc. too. So I don't believe that this is what happened.

ffreakk

Singapore2155 Posts

October 09 2010 11:30 GMT

#332

I had thought along the same line before. But fact is that most of us have no idea how top-end people communicate which each other in private. I mean i know they all appear subtle and sophisticated in public, but thats public, it might be different when there are no commoners around to scrutinise their mannerism.

Then there was some guy several pages back who said that he participated in some meetings between top government officials in his country, and the scenario painted in the OP is not unlikely at all, so im giving it some trust, esp when Milkis said that this guy is rather reliable.

dogabutila

United States1438 Posts

October 09 2010 16:08 GMT

#333

It's fine. If korea wants to play the political game then they can. I hope they have some corrupt judges rule against IP rights. Then all US companies will boycott korea and they will cry like little bitches.

The rules - international law, exists for a reason.

Borknagarush

176 Posts

October 09 2010 16:37 GMT

#334

Good joke. hehe

swanized

Canada2480 Posts

October 09 2010 17:46 GMT

#335

so when is proleague supposed to start btw?

Lightwip

United States5497 Posts

October 09 2010 17:48 GMT

#336

On October 10 2010 02:46 swanized wrote:
so when is proleague supposed to start btw?

October 16.
Pretty much exactly a week from today.

TechDeft

United States211 Posts

October 09 2010 17:51 GMT

#337

So now Koreans will have to come here to play, instead of the other way around?

Spinel720

United States40 Posts

October 09 2010 17:59 GMT

#338

I don't understand why you people don't like the idea of Blizz getting paid for Broadcast games or tournaments. I don't see Paramount pictures, Dreamworks, or other movie company let their movies be played in a Theater without getting any money. Sure they don't own the movie theater or the cable company i.e Directv, but you can't just let them grab your stuff and say, I'm just gonna take your property, play it and don't give you anything i.e Piracy. Blizzard is already collaborating with them given the fact they can play sc2 for free basically. Now wheres the Korean gratitude and collaboration? I'm not completely in favor of blizzard, but I'm not completely against them as most of you are. KeSpA already offered them money which is the right thing to do, and blizz didn't accept it. They must have their reasons! Some things in huge company organizations are just beyond of ourselves to understand. Maybe those millions were not enough in an estimate done by blizz maybe there's more to that, we don't know! Personally I would have accepted those millions as blizz just for the mere attempt to better relations over there, even though compensation might not be ideal.

Borknagarush

176 Posts

October 09 2010 18:17 GMT

#339

Spinel720,

Honestly do you think that people are intrested in watching 12 year old artwork and listening same music every day?

Plissken_2097

Spain628 Posts

October 09 2010 19:48 GMT

#340

On October 10 2010 03:17 Borknagarush wrote:
Spinel720,

Honestly do you think that people are intrested in watching 12 year old artwork and listening same music every day?

Sc1 music kicks over Sc2 anytime. That point is irrefutable. And i'm interested, as many others, to see 12 years old sprites making magic on the screen.