Dunno why but no one seemed to translate the entire thing and only got the sad parts out.
Woongjin's Manager Lee: "Only the players with a passion are left"
"There are no longer any players left in Woongjin that have different goals. The only players left are the players who have the goal of winning the Proleague"
Woongjin Stars, after finishing their 09-10 season have cleaned out their players. They let go of DaezanG, who wanted to become a commentator [T/N: he is supposed to commentate for GSL], and they have allowed GanZi to enter the military. Woongjin also let go of other players such as Special has shown wished to continue with their education, and MVP has said that it is difficult for his circumstances to remain as a progamer, and GuemChi, who grew tired of life as a progamer and wanted to go on a vacation to India. Kwanro has been traded to SKT. There are only 15 players left in Woongjin, who started with a 23 man team when they started in 2008.
Manager Lee said that "This season, many players announced that they will go their separate ways. We didn't really consider trying to hold onto them. We respected their decision, and we also believed the will of all the players who said they would remain. We are thinking of entering the 2010~11 season with a small but elite team"
"Since the creation of the team in 2008, Woongjin Stars never made it into the top 6. You may call it unfortunate but results are results. The responsibility of why we didn't get to the post season lies with me. This season, I am planning on giving it my all with the players and run as far as we can"
When pointed out that Woongjin doesn't have any good Terran players, Manager Lee said that they would try to bolster their lineup through trades and by raising players. They will try and buy or trade players, while also bringing in a Terran coaching staff in order to raise their Terran line.
Manager Lee said that "If we manage to overcome our Terran line's slump, then we will be able to show a more grown up Woongjin Stars in the 2010 ~ 11 season"
Oh man, this is some good news. I was getting really worried that there would now be two less teams this season.
Man I remember when I first started watching NaDa and Savior who were both in the Lost Saga MSl and it looked like they would meet again in the finals. I never thought the proscene would ever hit the situation they are in now.
Thanks for translating the entire point of view. Most of these guys aren't big losses and they still have their core swapping soulkey with kwanro. MvP got a decent streak going for 2 weeks and that was about the high point of his career and guemchi got an All Kill.
If they can acquisition a solid T (a la Really) they will be in a pretty good spot.
If they knew this was happen8ng why the fuck do you trade Kwanro? Especially now with no race rule Kwanro and Zero don't have to split if Woongjin went double toss. They are probably calling Fox non stop for a Terran
Probably because he sad parts are the really important bits? The article would actually have been more accurate as "Mass player exodus from Woongjin," DES is sugar coating it too much
On September 18 2010 02:05 Waxangel wrote: Probably because he sad parts are the really important bits? The article would actually have been more accurate as "Mass player exodus from Woongjin," DES is sugar coating it too much
It could be important, but the team's statement in response to the "mass exodus" would also be helpful so that "Woongjin is gonna disband" fearmongering doesn't go on imo
DES is sugar coating a bit, same with the coach, but at least the resolve imo, is just as important as the news bit itself especially right now when we're only looking at "bad" news.
This sounds a lot like damage control, and is in fact a pretty typical PR argument -- "oh half the team left but we're super focused now"; "we're lean and mean"; "quality over quantity baby."
On September 18 2010 01:49 Noxide wrote: Thanks for translating the entire point of view. Most of these guys aren't big losses and they still have their core swapping soulkey with kwanro. MvP got a decent streak going for 2 weeks and that was about the high point of his career and guemchi got an All Kill.
If they can acquisition a solid T (a la Really) they will be in a pretty good spot.
Guemchi and MVP were midtier players and I do think it's a sizeable loss, especially in terms of practice partners. Even Special was one of their stronger backbenchers. You can't have a team with only two-three good players as a "core" and nothing else, especially when your core is pretty inconsistent.
On September 18 2010 03:15 SuperArc wrote: The sale of Kwanro makes even less sense now.
This could all be due to the sponsor granting them a reduced budget, or some other financial problem. Maybe Kwanro would've been among these players if SKT hadn't been willing to buy him.
This does put it in a slightly different light. KT filtered the non-passionate players out last season too and ended up with 15 players too (if I remember that translated HOT-Forever interview right).
Of course KT didn't drop any PL regulars like Stars did with MVP and Guemchi but it's not like those two ever got any important results (other than Guemchi's WL shenanigans)
basically I'm saying that it might not be that bleak
Doesn't matter what the coach says, I will be shocked if WJ stays together. Their lineup has been decimated. I'm guessing that free and ZerO are negotiating contracts with other teams now, and Kwanro knew that the team was about to implode when he jumped ship to T1.
Also the line about "overcoming the Terran line's slump" has been WJ's excuse forever and is pretty comical given that they've also lost most of their Zerg and Protoss lineup this offseason. It's not as if WJ can acquire one decent Terran and all of a sudden be competitive.
Crazy-Hydra is the default 4th entry. Swap Piano for one of the Zergs when you can guarantee a TvT. Woongjin will be fine during regular season. Playoffs will be 08-09 Hwaseung hell.
Sad to hear it. Woongjin is a cool team - they need some backup this season and some re-enforcement for their coaches. The way things are looking they might merge with eSTRO, which is fine by me. Hopefully Zero and Free can be less burdened and win a MSL/OSL of their own.
On September 18 2010 06:00 SuperArc wrote: Hite couldnt even spare six players who leave anymore...
Doesn't hite only have six players period? Or was that just right after the match-fixing?
Really sad that teams are falling apart. With the Flash-Jaedong supremacy, it would be really bad if SKT and KT dominate proleague... but what team can stand up to them? lol stx
That's pretty bad for Woongjin. Leaves them with almost no players... Why the heck did they sell Kwanro knowing that they will lose 6 players. Unless Kwanro was really expensive for them and they got a lot of cash from SKT...
On September 18 2010 06:20 composition wrote: Crazy-Hydra is the default 4th entry. Swap Piano for one of the Zergs when you can guarantee a TvT. Woongjin will be fine during regular season. Playoffs will be 08-09 Hwaseung hell.
Woongjin Stars never had MVP, DaezanG or anyone like that. To be more clear, they couldn't make their way to post season with these players.
Neo.G_Soulkey is just a rising star, free and ZerO are both reliable players and with 1 Terran that is better than SKT Zergs, they can make it into post season.
This time, Woongjin Stars clearly has the mood to success. And instead of selling Kwanro to SKT, they could just trade him with a Terran from WeMade and the squad would be a decent candidate for the post season.
Dont they know you need at least four players to be good in Pl and six if you want to succeed in post-season.
The sale of Kwanro makes even less sense now.
They haven't really lost anyone important except maaaaybe Guemchi and Kwanro. All of these players leaving had either no chance of improving to a solid level or were just plain bad and pretty much worthless. Daezang was never going to resurrect to a decent level, MVP was pretty much worthless except for random all kills, and Ganzi has always been nothing more than a gimmick.
The problem Woongjin had this year in proleague was Zero and Free, two aces who just cannot compete with other aces. They've entered so many ace matches, only to lose because either one of them chokes hard when they really need to win. Getting a good terran, unless he's awesome enough to become the team's ace, isn't going to fix this fatal flaw.
Let's see more teams dropping players and disbanding/transitioning in the coming years so that SC2 can be allowed the room to grow to its fullest potential. All it needs is time and opportunity to grow past the first SC.
On September 22 2010 00:05 Reggiegigas wrote: Let's see more teams dropping players and disbanding/transitioning in the coming years so that SC2 can be allowed the room to grow to its fullest potential. All it needs is time and opportunity to grow past the first SC.
Actually let's see SC2 grow on its own without having to kill off the SC scene.
On September 22 2010 00:05 Reggiegigas wrote: Let's see more teams dropping players and disbanding/transitioning in the coming years so that SC2 can be allowed the room to grow to its fullest potential. All it needs is time and opportunity to grow past the first SC.
Actually let's see SC2 grow on its own without having to kill off the SC scene.
man I can't believe you just said that shit
I did. That's just how I feel though. To me, SC is "done". There's nothing left to see. New maps don't really change much, and the power balance hasn't changed much in the last couple years either. But that's a topic for another thread.
Stars has always been my favourite team because of Free. He carried that team so many times, often having to win 2 games a night. He deserves so much better. I can see why he is slumping now; he is burning out after all that. At one point, they pretty much relied on Free winning his regular game, and then FanTastic and Max winning the 2v2 so they could get to ace so Free could, yet again, win for them.
On September 22 2010 00:05 Reggiegigas wrote: Let's see more teams dropping players and disbanding/transitioning in the coming years so that SC2 can be allowed the room to grow to its fullest potential. All it needs is time and opportunity to grow past the first SC.
Actually let's see SC2 grow on its own without having to kill off the SC scene.
man I can't believe you just said that shit
I did. That's just how I feel though. To me, SC is "done". There's nothing left to see. New maps don't really change much, and the power balance hasn't changed much in the last couple years either. But that's a topic for another thread.
Two matchups are actually changing quite a lot at the moment (TvZ and ZvZ). Previously it was ZvP. Next it'll probably be PvT (I'm expecting HTs and storms to make a comeback at some point, to be accurate). In short, the game is still evolving and has always been, there's no reason for it to stop.
(Oh and I have no idea what you mean by "power balance", but no matter how I read it this sounds pretty wrong, especially over the last couple years.)
On September 18 2010 21:49 pinkranger15 wrote: india? vacation? why there?
He started saying he liked India back when people "cared" about him (the black magician... famous for being horrible and for making his opponents somehow play worse than him), I think he first mentioned his interest in India in the 2009 avalon MSL team ceremony but I could be wrong...
He had a weird way of saying that tho, he basically said "yeah recently I read a lot about India, and I would like to go there, but everything is better here". Sounded more like an insult than like he actually liked the place...
On September 18 2010 21:49 pinkranger15 wrote: india? vacation? why there?
He started saying he liked India back when people "cared" about him (the black magician... famous for being horrible and for making his opponents somehow play worse than him), I think he first mentioned his interest in India in the 2009 avalon MSL team ceremony but I could be wrong...
He had a weird way of saying that tho, he basically said "yeah recently I read a lot about India, and I would like to go there, but everything is better here". Sounded more like an insult than like he actually liked the place...
maybe he's already fed up with korean girls and want some Indian chicks instead. lol jk
On September 22 2010 00:31 rushz0rz wrote: Stars has always been my favourite team because of Free. He carried that team so many times, often having to win 2 games a night. He deserves so much better. I can see why he is slumping now; he is burning out after all that. At one point, they pretty much relied on Free winning his regular game, and then FanTastic and Max winning the 2v2 so they could get to ace so Free could, yet again, win for them.
free is slumping? barely ever he was doing as good as he does now
On September 22 2010 00:31 rushz0rz wrote: Stars has always been my favourite team because of Free. He carried that team so many times, often having to win 2 games a night. He deserves so much better. I can see why he is slumping now; he is burning out after all that. At one point, they pretty much relied on Free winning his regular game, and then FanTastic and Max winning the 2v2 so they could get to ace so Free could, yet again, win for them.
free is slumping? barely ever he was doing as good as he does now
On September 22 2010 00:05 Reggiegigas wrote: Let's see more teams dropping players and disbanding/transitioning in the coming years so that SC2 can be allowed the room to grow to its fullest potential. All it needs is time and opportunity to grow past the first SC.
Actually let's see SC2 grow on its own without having to kill off the SC scene.
man I can't believe you just said that shit
I did. That's just how I feel though. To me, SC is "done". There's nothing left to see. New maps don't really change much, and the power balance hasn't changed much in the last couple years either. But that's a topic for another thread.
Have you even been paying attention to how much TvP and TvZ has changed in the past year?
i wonder if that's the real him. i also noticed sAviOr and iloveoov are on the first page of sc2ranks. maybe they're fakes but what top player would name themselves after savior, seriously?
On September 22 2010 00:05 Reggiegigas wrote: Let's see more teams dropping players and disbanding/transitioning in the coming years so that SC2 can be allowed the room to grow to its fullest potential. All it needs is time and opportunity to grow past the first SC.
Actually let's see SC2 grow on its own without having to kill off the SC scene.
man I can't believe you just said that shit
I did. That's just how I feel though. To me, SC is "done". There's nothing left to see. New maps don't really change much, and the power balance hasn't changed much in the last couple years either. But that's a topic for another thread.
you are a lucky man TL now disaproves posts about join date/ post count
On September 28 2010 01:18 stafu wrote: MVP is supposedly playing SC2 on Gisado's stream right now. He just took down oGsGon who was on a 15-game win streak in TvT.
would be pretty cool if it is him, would give me another SC2 player to actually care about rather than 90% of the field being randoms
On September 22 2010 00:05 Reggiegigas wrote: Let's see more teams dropping players and disbanding/transitioning in the coming years so that SC2 can be allowed the room to grow to its fullest potential. All it needs is time and opportunity to grow past the first SC.
Actually let's see SC2 grow on its own without having to kill off the SC scene.
man I can't believe you just said that shit
I did. That's just how I feel though. To me, SC is "done". There's nothing left to see. New maps don't really change much, and the power balance hasn't changed much in the last couple years either. But that's a topic for another thread.
If it's done then why are they still doing pro league for 2011? is it because they "feel" that SC should go on another season?
On September 28 2010 01:18 stafu wrote: MVP is supposedly playing SC2 on Gisado's stream right now. He just took down oGsGon who was on a 15-game win streak in TvT.
Well luckily free and ZerO have been really strong lately. soulkey looked good at the end of pl, and did well along with hon_sin in stx_masters. I think there's still hope, though it would certainly be awesome if we got Really or Leta or Sea.
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DaezanG, who wanted to become a commentator [T/N: he is supposed to commentate for GSL], and they have allowed 
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