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STX Soul has retreated their entire team roster from the benches.
On the match that took place on Yongsan eSports Satdium on the 21st, on the Shinhan Bank Proleague 09-10 Rould 5 Week 4 Match 3, STX has retreated their entire roster with the exception of Manager Kim Eun Dong and Coach Park Jong Soo.
Following this, STX Players, other than the one player who is playing in the match, will watch the game with Coach Park Jae Suk in the waiting room behind the bench, and after the match is over, show up for a bit and after hi fives and Fightings, they returned to the waiting room.
This was revealed to be a new strategy for STX. STX's manager Kim Eun Dong revealed that "This is a new strategy we are using from today's game on", and said that "I don't know how long we'll be doing this but for now we'll operate our games like this", and added that "I hope everyone will see this as a strategy while we finish up the regular season and the post season."
Continuing, Manager Kim Eun Dong said that "We haven't decided on whether or not we continue this strategy or go for another strategy, but the details are a secret", and said that "We'll reveal the secret when the season ends, or if we win at the KwangAhnRi Finals we will reveal the reason then".
Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=108050&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=
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CA10828 Posts
lol this is such a "wtf" strategy, if you can even call it that
STX always has the worst PR with their fans and this definitely won't help lol
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Katowice25012 Posts
I am disappointed that this is seriously something they spent their time thinking up.
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what can they do in a waiting room but be unable to do on the benches?
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There goes my only hope of seeing Tossgirl or July...
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Maybe it takes the pressure of players who get nervous from the crowd. =_=
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Perhaps they find it hard to discuss the match and plans moving forward amongst themselves with cameras and all the sound and lights etc. of the studio around them. It makes sense to me.
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On June 22 2010 12:40 Kenpachi wrote:
what can they do in a waiting room but be unable to do on the benches?
fap
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10387 Posts
uhh maybe they are practicing in the back room while the games are being played?
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On June 22 2010 12:47 ella_guru wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 12:40 Kenpachi wrote:
what can they do in a waiting room but be unable to do on the benches? fap
I actually think it's to make them prepare for matches.
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Lets be serious now. Because of the new rule that players aren't reveal before their matches, it is better for the teams to not show potential players before their matches and give the option of throwing WTF players at the other team with more WTFness.
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Maybe they're performing ritualistic animal sacrifices to Satan in order to win more games.
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On June 22 2010 12:52 LunarDestiny wrote:
Lets be serious now. Because of the new rule that players aren't reveal before their matches, it is better for the teams to not show potential players before their matches and give the option of throwing WTF players at the other team with more WTFness.
This. They're going to play Tossgirl at some point and they don't want the other team to see her on the bench and expect it.
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this is so stupid, fans will never get to see their favorite STX players unless they're playing
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STX sick of getting sNIPEDDD?
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
So what exactly are they planning to do on the inside that they can't do on the outside?
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"I hope everyone will see this as a strategy while we finish up the regular season and the post season."
what an odd thing to say
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Maybe watching game make players more nervous, so @ waiting room waiting for their turn give them much more focus?
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51454 Posts
terrible concept and ruins the whole concept of proleague
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I noticed that the other day. What the hell, STX? I think the benefits would be minimal at best for the players and damaging to the reputation of the team.
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I hope they lose more so their "strategy" will backfire
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Oz should implement the same strategy so these players will finally get some play time.
![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/dey6id.jpg)
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On June 22 2010 13:05 LunarDestiny wrote:Oz should implement the same strategy so these players will finally get some play time.
AHAHAHAHA. This is really funny. So comical ahahahahahaha.
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I could sort of see an advantage in that the coach and players can openly discuss game strategies as a group which is harder to do when lined up in a bench, but this is a pretty awful idea. They're telling their fangirls that they should come stare at a bunch of chairs while a game is going on.
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this is weird. but whatever helps us not lose 2nd place
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On June 22 2010 13:14 Ideas wrote:
this is weird. but whatever helps us not lose 2nd place
still didn't work hahahaha
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.....well with Hwasin gone, it's not like they have any pretty boys anyways
Still, this is a WTF idea
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I don't know whether this is stupid, or just really really stupid. Hope July quits and joins ACE, already.
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On June 22 2010 12:47 ella_guru wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 12:40 Kenpachi wrote:
what can they do in a waiting room but be unable to do on the benches? fap
I think Tossgirl will be helping them all out 
But seriously i dont understand the point of this. Unless they plan on bringing people up from the B-team to play then I get it makes sense. But seriously this is just like wtf to me.
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At first, I thought this was a joke, haha, like "STX removes all players from roster." But then I read it and found out that it was serious and not what I was thinking. Still, this seems really silly and pointless.
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To me, its obvious enough, they want them playing Starcraft back there.
My guess is, maybe they found some statistics on players playing better when they warm up before "booth" matches. Could even have to do with people having a better win ratios in "2nd matches" rather than getting stomped when they are "cold".
I guess 12 hours a day just isn't enough. The more practice the better right?
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Baa?21243 Posts
On June 22 2010 13:15 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:14 Ideas wrote:
this is weird. but whatever helps us not lose 2nd place still didn't work hahahaha
We're still second place, and we need to lose everything and MBC needs to basically win everything to overtake us.
And MBC lost to Ace so lolol.
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I don't understand this at all. I don't mean disrespect, but maybe there's something lost on the translation...
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Lol wtf! What is this secret strategy they are talking about? I feel sorry for the fans though :o
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On June 22 2010 13:15 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:14 Ideas wrote:
this is weird. but whatever helps us not lose 2nd place still didn't work hahahaha
oh they already did this? ahh wtf lol
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Wait what? I guess I can see what they're going for, but it doesn't seem too smart. Hopefully whatever they're doing is worth the disappointment the fans will initially feel.
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lets hope that other teams DO not follow suit
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On June 22 2010 13:30 Katsuge wrote:
lets hope that other teams DO not follow suit
i agree with this. while they might get a few more wins with this strategy, they might also lose many fans. some fans actually want to see their favorite players in person on the bench.
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What the hell is this? They are intentionally creating a greater gap between the players and the fans?
That's it, I am anti-STX for life.
Obviously this is done so that STX players can be freed from the prying eyes of the opponent team, enabling them to speak more freely and pick their next player without the danger of revealing their choice through bad acting skill.
And of course, they left their manager and coach outside in order to spy on the other team. It is no secret that sometimes the ace player will reveal some indicative signs such as nervousness and betray their position as the ace player to the opponent.
As the PL format changed to WL format, that applies to basically every single matchup now. Some players are horrible actors and an experienced observer can accurately guess which player will come out next.
Dirty, cheap STX assholes who forget why the players are playing in the first place.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On June 22 2010 12:47 ella_guru wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 12:40 Kenpachi wrote:
what can they do in a waiting room but be unable to do on the benches? fap
I swear, what is with you and boners and fapping and orgasms and Korean men and...
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On June 22 2010 13:42 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 12:47 ella_guru wrote:On June 22 2010 12:40 Kenpachi wrote:
what can they do in a waiting room but be unable to do on the benches? fap I swear, what is with you and boners and fapping and orgasms and Korean men and...
What is with you and calling people cute, huh, HUH, HUHU!H!H?!?
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On June 22 2010 13:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:15 GTR wrote:On June 22 2010 13:14 Ideas wrote:
this is weird. but whatever helps us not lose 2nd place still didn't work hahahaha We're still second place, and we need to lose everything and MBC needs to basically win everything to overtake us. And MBC lost to Ace so lolol.
MBC could definitely pull it off and T1 is within striking distance of second place now as well. They are only 2.5 games ahead of MBC and 3 ahead of T1, and with how terrible STX is playing losing second is definitely possible. The possibility of them getting passed is much more of a reality than a joke.
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This is more of a tactic than a strategy. A really lame tactic. I hope they stop doing this.
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at times like this all i wanna say is 'WAT"?
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On June 22 2010 13:45 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:42 flamewheel wrote:On June 22 2010 12:47 ella_guru wrote:On June 22 2010 12:40 Kenpachi wrote:
what can they do in a waiting room but be unable to do on the benches? fap I swear, what is with you and boners and fapping and orgasms and Korean men and... What is with you and calling people cute, huh, HUH, HUHU!H!H?!?
To be fair, I haven't called many people cute recently!
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Baa?21243 Posts
On June 22 2010 13:53 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2010 13:15 GTR wrote:On June 22 2010 13:14 Ideas wrote:
this is weird. but whatever helps us not lose 2nd place still didn't work hahahaha We're still second place, and we need to lose everything and MBC needs to basically win everything to overtake us. And MBC lost to Ace so lolol. MBC could definitely pull it off and T1 is within striking distance of second place now as well. They are only 2.5 games ahead of MBC and 3 ahead of T1, and with how terrible STX is playing losing second is definitely possible. The possibility of them getting passed is much more of a reality than a joke.
Keep deluding yourself.
A "three game lead" means a 6 game swing. STX is at 3-0. Competing team is at 0-0. STX needs to go 1-4 into 4-4, and the competing team needs to go 5-0 to get into 5-0, ahead of STX.
PS flamewheel you're cute.
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Well this is awkward. It sounds like the entire team did something wrong and the coach is punishing them for it. Perhaps a "strategy" to discipline the team or something =/
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I believe the reason will be revealed next proleague match - each time they come out from the back they will do a performance to boost their confidence, and its more exciting this way since they aren't seen before hand.
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People, the team probably discussed this strategy indepth and agreed that it is worth a try. So don't think the coach just had a wet dream one night and cum up with it.
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Anything to stop the slide of losses we've been suffering, please. I don't care if we don't get to see Tossgirl - if anything, we the viewers WILL see them since there are cameras backstage where the players will be hanging out. It's just to confuse and stump the opponent.
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good mindf*cking stratergy if you ask me, but I really wonder what is there reasoning behind this, I think it is very interesting to say the least
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Wow are they stupid? Like seriously?
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Not a fan of this decision 
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Breaking news: Its didnt work vs Samsung Khan
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Baa?21243 Posts
STX's gonna reveal a really good reason and all the haters will feel stupid >=O
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I feel bad
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Maybe their players should just stop sucking instead.
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It would suck if the other teams decided to try this as well =/
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On June 22 2010 13:33 dukethegold wrote:
Obviously this is done so that STX players can be freed from the prying eyes of the opponent team, enabling them to speak more freely and pick their next player without the danger of revealing their choice through bad acting skill.
I'm pretty sure the players are picked in advance. They have to present who is going to play to KeSPA before the game its just not revealed, afaik.
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On June 22 2010 12:39 LosingID8 wrote:
lol this is such a "wtf" strategy, if you can even call it that
exactly, this is a punch to the face for every watching fan.. these are the kinds of things kespa should solve, not the "pppp/zizi yo" issues
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On June 22 2010 18:53 radim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 12:39 LosingID8 wrote:
lol this is such a "wtf" strategy, if you can even call it that
exactly, this is a punch to the face for every watching fan.. these are the kinds of things kespa should solve, not the "pppp/zizi yo" issues
why do you blame kespa?
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On June 22 2010 19:16 emucxg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 18:53 radim wrote:On June 22 2010 12:39 LosingID8 wrote:
lol this is such a "wtf" strategy, if you can even call it that
exactly, this is a punch to the face for every watching fan.. these are the kinds of things kespa should solve, not the "pppp/zizi yo" issues why do you blame kespa?
I don't blame KeSPA for it, that would be stupid. It's of course STX's decision and they are responsible for fans beeing annoyed by it. I'm just saying these are the things associations should solve and do solve in every sport and I feel like it is a much bigger issue than mistyping something during the game.
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
way to worsen your PR, STX.
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proleague is for fans. without fans there wouldn't be any progamers. Did STX forget this?...
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United States33390 Posts
Silly, I wouldn't be surprised of KeSPA created a proleague rule where the bench must be present -_-
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I feel this is very bad for their team image..
I can imagine the atmosphere, 1 team all @ bench. The other, coach only. If I am new to the scene, I think I will support the team with players keke.
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I think OZ should use this strategy. Then MoustacheZerg, OZSucksBallsWithoutMe and PirateZerg can all participate in Proleague.
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That sounds lame -.- I hope no other team than STX will do that strategy.
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I don't think they need to hide aces. In their current state, they couldn't even bring KHAN TO the ace match. Not that they have any good aces, Kal and Clam are doing horrible this round. They should be recovering their form instead of doing something that won't help much and will piss a lot of people off.
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OMG... what are they doing to toss girl back there...
But in all fairness... they have got to reveal what were they thinking... I mean as we all can agree this team is doing desperate things to win...
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On June 22 2010 18:31 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:33 dukethegold wrote:
Obviously this is done so that STX players can be freed from the prying eyes of the opponent team, enabling them to speak more freely and pick their next player without the danger of revealing their choice through bad acting skill.
I'm pretty sure the players are picked in advance. They have to present who is going to play to KeSPA before the game its just not revealed, afaik.
First of all, can anybody CONFIRM that the coach send out a specific list of players that they intend to field prior to match, rather than WL format?
This has been discussed before. Nobody can produce any solid evidence as to how the new system really works. Do the coach pick their next player in accordance to the situation (say it's 4th set, Flash still has not played, so CJ send out Snow to snipe) on the spot, or is the lineup pre-determined?
I am still pretty sure that the pre-determined lineup thing would not apply to ace player.
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I really don't get the point of this ''strategy''. XD
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So what are they doing in the back room that is so private? :s
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I wonder what's so much to be revealed about this move. What.. are you hiding July inthere?
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That's lame...I want to see some awesome bench reactions when something special happens
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Strategy... lol is all I can say.
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On June 22 2010 12:50 illu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 12:47 ella_guru wrote:On June 22 2010 12:40 Kenpachi wrote:
what can they do in a waiting room but be unable to do on the benches? fap I actually think it's to make them prepare for matches.
Yeah, it helps them warm up their hands for their matches.
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lol @nony
Interesting choice by STX. This strat wont have a long life span I bet.
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On June 22 2010 13:20 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 12:47 ella_guru wrote:On June 22 2010 12:40 Kenpachi wrote:
what can they do in a waiting room but be unable to do on the benches? fap I think Tossgirl will be helping them all out
THANK GOD
I already thought I'm a pervert thinking of some serious gang-bang action going on now..
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hm
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STX has been pretty WTF lately, honestly.
Maybe they're hiding Hwasin as their secret weapon.
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On June 22 2010 12:52 3clipse wrote:
Maybe they're performing ritualistic animal sacrifices to Satan in order to win more games.
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Excluding Kespa-descisions, this is the lamest brood war-related thing I've heard in a while
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This saddens me and confuses my brain while I try to come up with a good reason why they would decide upon this.
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Somewhy France came first to my mind...
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Considering that STX is 1-5 this season, I think that any change could help. They're dangerously close to losing second place to MBC.
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It is almost as if they have no soul for their fans...
/500th post of fail.
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On June 22 2010 22:03 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 18:31 infinity2k9 wrote:On June 22 2010 13:33 dukethegold wrote:
Obviously this is done so that STX players can be freed from the prying eyes of the opponent team, enabling them to speak more freely and pick their next player without the danger of revealing their choice through bad acting skill.
I'm pretty sure the players are picked in advance. They have to present who is going to play to KeSPA before the game its just not revealed, afaik. First of all, can anybody CONFIRM that the coach send out a specific list of players that they intend to field prior to match, rather than WL format? This has been discussed before. Nobody can produce any solid evidence as to how the new system really works. Do the coach pick their next player in accordance to the situation (say it's 4th set, Flash still has not played, so CJ send out Snow to snipe) on the spot, or is the lineup pre-determined? I am still pretty sure that the pre-determined lineup thing would not apply to ace player.
I would really like to know this as well.
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On June 22 2010 23:47 Liquid`NonY wrote:
metagame
Wow, I totally get it now. Thanks for the explanation!
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maybe deep analysis for the players, or MOAR PRACTICE!?
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On June 22 2010 14:07 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:45 Avidkeystamper wrote:On June 22 2010 13:42 flamewheel wrote:On June 22 2010 12:47 ella_guru wrote:On June 22 2010 12:40 Kenpachi wrote:
what can they do in a waiting room but be unable to do on the benches? fap I swear, what is with you and boners and fapping and orgasms and Korean men and... What is with you and calling people cute, huh, HUH, HUHU!H!H?!? To be fair, I haven't called many people cute recently!
oh really
also nony is full of win (but we knew that already)
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So weird... way to alienate a fanbase :S
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Wow, just wow. They must know something I don't... very odd "strategy".
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On June 22 2010 12:59 GTR wrote:
terrible concept and ruins the whole concept of proleague
It does, and the strategy is probably nothing special.
It will probably something similar to a player saying he has a special rush strategy, i.e. 5 pool instead of 6 pool. Nothing special.
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and the point of this is.. what now?
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How will this even help them? Wth kind of strategy is this...
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A bit like the "strategies" I was sdoing with my friends at soccer when I was 12.
When you suck, you suck, when you are good, you are good, that's what I remember from it.
Maybe STX coachs are bored...
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Maybe this decision will force players to practice harder so they get sent out often. Everyone wants attention right??
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On June 22 2010 12:52 LunarDestiny wrote:
Lets be serious now. Because of the new rule that players aren't reveal before their matches, it is better for the teams to not show potential players before their matches and give the option of throwing WTF players at the other team with more WTFness.
I don't know if everyone else just skipped over this post, but...
I think you've been given a mistaken impression. Only during Winner's League is the next player chosen during the match. During rounds 1, 2, 4, and 5, the players are chosen beforehand (by submission to the referee?), but not revealed until moments before they play. That's been my understanding. That's why the KeSPA referee is so prompt about giving the coaches a slip of paper telling them the other team's pick for the next match, moments after each set ends.
Since the picks were already made, hiding the players by keeping them backstage can't keep your opponents guessing about who you are about to pick... because they know they've already been picked, and they already don't know ahead of time. This tactic can only, at most, cause confusion for the NEXT match you will play, if it causes the next team you are scheduled to play against some confusion about who you will likely select for their match.
But this is incredibly unlikely. There are cameras everywhere. Your opponents are going to know who's with you regardless. This is probably just to get inside the other teams' heads. But, I don't think any other team is going to fail to see through this.
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this is one of th dumbest things, ohoho they're going to "secretly" send out calm and kal instead of openly doing it
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On June 22 2010 13:25 cursor wrote:
To me, its obvious enough, they want them playing Starcraft back there.
My guess is, maybe they found some statistics on players playing better when they warm up before "booth" matches. Could even have to do with people having a better win ratios in "2nd matches" rather than getting stomped when they are "cold".
I guess 12 hours a day just isn't enough. The more practice the better right?
This seems like the most likely reason to me.
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STX has to be the most hated team on TL.net. Even with three superb rounds of PL and two constant top10 ranked players on the KeSPA rank they still just barely manages to pry some few faces onto power rank.
My guess is that it's because of nerves.
They keep playing with such low confidence no matter how good they've played previous games or seasons. Maybe they feel this will help somehow.
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On June 22 2010 12:52 3clipse wrote:Maybe they're performing ritualistic animal money sacrifices to Satan  sAviOr in order to win more games.
fixed
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has stx ever had tossgirl even as a benched player? if so, can pinpoint me there?
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I can see how it can potentially take off some of the pressure from a player but in general it seems like a terrible idea. It robs completely the fans from seeing certain players and decreasing the time they can see others...
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On June 23 2010 06:14 olof wrote:
STX has to be the most hated team on TL.net. Even with three superb rounds of PL and two constant top10 ranked players on the KeSPA rank they still just barely manages to pry some few faces onto power rank.
I don't know why. I just don't like STX.
I never liked Kal for some reason. I hated Calm for some reason that I don't really know of. I never really liked Hwasin or considered him handsome. I don't really dig Shuttle.
I do dig Tossgirl though.
And I very much enjoyed STX mastercup final.
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