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After 12 long years, the game of Starcraft has developed into a game where everyone is very close in skill level, and it is difficult, maybe even impossible to call someone a clear favorite over all the others. Ever since Savior's reign in 2006-7, people have refused to match the word "bonjwa" with any other person because they did not have the same kind of dominance that he had. These days, a bad player can once in a while beat an "S classed" player quite easily, even crush them, although not often. Everyone has figured out builds, how to train, how to get faster... Kingdom said about Bisu's slump lately that back when Bisu's multitasking was unparalleled, he beat everyone, but now that kind of multitasking has become a standard he was struggling to keep up. Also, now that all the build orders are standardized and everyone practices basically the same builds, its harder to get an early advantage over the other player.
But then how the fuck is Flash going like 80% in all his games and defeating everyone he comes by? How does he have a 13 game streak (would have been 21 if he didnt lose to M18M) against protoss, his "weakest" race??? How does he make his games look so one sided, even after 12 years of the game being out and people claiming that noone could ever dominate starcraft ever again like nada, boxer, oov, or savior did. Flash is doing better than any of them ever did. He's broken all of their records and Jaedong's. His elo is almost 100 better than anyone, his Kespa score is 1000 better than Jaedong's and recently broke his record for the highest. I dont get it.
Flash started suddenly doing better starting this Proleague season. After his 2-1 loss to Bisu, he started to rip up everything in his path. Coincidently, he cut and dyed his hair right before he started his amazing game winning frenzy. At the same time, Bisu grew out and also dyed his hair, and he went into a huge, seemingly career ending slump. (Of course I'm not being serious that the hair style change caused their change in gameplay, but its just interesting.)
Anyways, what I'm trying to say is this: Flash went from having okay results to SUDDENLY DOMINATING EVERYTHING (and yes, I know that he's always been good, I'm talking about right before that when he was losing quite frequently). So how do you think he did it? What changed about his gameplay and himself that caused this to happen? and HOW is this level of dominance even possible in modern day Starcraft?
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It all about Skills, not strategy or BO since everyone can do a BO like that.
If Fantasy, Really, Leta or anyterran does a Bunker vs 12 nexus ... It always different to FlaSh's bunker rush.
Himself make it diff.
that what i reckon
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there is no explanation
he is just a monster
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lol come on guys I'm looking for an actual theory or explanation or thought on how he's doing so good. No "FLASH IS BONJWA. HE'S JUST TOOO GOOD" posts plz
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It's the Pocari Sweat.
There is no other explanation.
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He sold his soul to Satan.
And Pocari Sweat.
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He complained about having a huge workload in the previous Proleague season, which caused him to lose many games and almost made him quit playing
Then he had the 'long' break after the season was over. I think he finally had the time to sort everything out and to get in the mindset he needed to reach the potential everyone knew he had for years.
But this is, of course, just speculation.
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1. Better maps for Terran (no more swarm season)
In summer 09 Zergs managed to actually reverse the long-held T>Z win ratio and win more games against Terrans than vice versa. I don't think maps are the primary reason for this though, see reason 4.
2. No innovative Protoss
No Protosses have come up to replace the 6 dragons no matter what Roffles says. Protoss play in the 09-10 season has looked uninspired compared to Zerg and especially Terran play.
3. Smarter BOs, more developed game sense.
Flash started out as a player who had great mechanical skills and cheesed a lot to throw opponents off guard (unlike, say, Really, who has great mechanics but never cheeses). Now he has the game sense and decision making to not need cheese as much (although his cheeses are very well done) and he plays less greedy, using an aggressive TvZ style and not going 14 CC all the time.
4. Better M&M micro.
Flash has always had good TvP, but after summer 09 his TvZ became simply dominant and his best matchup. The reason? In swarm season Zergs were able to outmicro Terrans and win with just mutas, but Flash's improved micro along with his early second rax destroyed mutas with large armies of perfectly microed marines.
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Bad competition, with the exception of JD.
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I'm willing to lay odds that having finished high school - Korean high school, no less - may have a little bit to do with it.
At least I think he's graduated. If not... then this is not a good theory, lol.
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On May 14 2010 09:26 JaedongMidasAction wrote:
lol come on guys I'm looking for an actual theory or explanation or thought on how he's doing so good. No "FLASH IS BONJWA. HE'S JUST TOOO GOOD" posts plz
i cannot think of any other explanation.
he is the best macro player in the world and he has a very good micro too
and he has no visible weaknesses
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probably because of the fact that he has good game sense and scouts really well and adapt very well to the situation at hand. plus he just have godlike micro and marco. did you see him roll soulkey like he just started iccup? plus hes just a mile ahead of everyone else.
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It's largely due to his mental strength and focus, which is quite impressive for a 17 year-old.
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Only Protoss I think could've won a bo5 against Flash is Stork.
Stork is someone who knows how to punish greedy builds.
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On May 14 2010 09:48 LaLuSh wrote:
Only Protoss I think could've won a bo5 against Flash is Stork.
Stork is someone who knows how to punish greedy builds.
Flash will beat Stork at mind games.
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He has combination of mental strenght and focus like minus_human said and also godlike sc abilities like geegee1 said.
Knowing that, once he wins dual title this season, his mental strengh and focus will subside. He will once again become average mortal like the rest of progamers. (The fall of every bonjwa, Flash will not be an exception)
But till then, he will remain a monster, but not for too long now.
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On May 14 2010 09:48 LaLuSh wrote:
Only Protoss I think could've won a bo5 against Flash is Stork.
Stork is someone who knows how to punish greedy builds.
thats quite funny considering how stork lost to flash on bacchus when he tried to counter flash greedy play
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jaedong's ZvZ slipped a bit so he wasnt nearly as dominate in winners league as he was last season
stork/jangbi/bisu all slumped really hard and they were always the protosses with the best chance at beating flash
all other terrans started sucking a bunch so it was easy for him to get a huge TvT win streak
maps have been pretty good for TvZ since September (HOW THE FUCK DID JAEDONG WIN THE NATE OSL WITH ODDEYE AND ULTIMATUM IN THE MAP POOL?)
2 hatch muta pretty much died but most zergs forgot how to play 3 hatch muta lol
he probably started practicing as much as JD (before he said he didnt actually practice that much and instead spent a lot of time doing though experiments and stuff) and now he literally is just "the best" in every respect of terran gameplay. best micro, macro, game sense, everything.
Honestly this might just be a bunch of zerg fanboy blabber but I think stylistically/racially it's a lot easier for flash to win a game without much practice than it is for Jaedong. Many factors contribute to it (such as ZvZ vs TvT, JD's micro intensive style compared to flash's macro intensive style, etc), but i think JD has always been at the same skill level as flash for the last year and a half (and obviously he was doing a lot better until last fall).
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I think he is riding a massive momentum train and has the psychological edge over everyone.
Go look at the interviews with other players, a lot of the time they aren't asked anything to do with flash and he comes up anyways. Everyone recognizes he is the best right now.
We've seen it many times where someone will get an edge over him and then lose it, part of that is him playing extremely good but I think part of it is the other player psyching themselves out.
The series vs MVP and free were good examples of him mindfucking his opponent, you want to get an early edge over him bc that's the only way you feel you can win? Sorry, forward rax and great micro into you're dead. Then when you change your play because you don't want to get roflstomped 3-0 in 30 minutes? He early expands and gets the advantage over you and rolls you in the midgame. We've seen this bite him in the ass in the ace match against fantasy but that was partially due to his decision to expand thinking fantasy wouldn't proxy...
I'm looking for the iloveoov quotation about mindgames but I can't find it -_-
You need someone with good mental fortitude to take down flash and I think the only player capable of it even if bisu or stork or whoever else was in shape is jaedong.
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Day[9] has finally perfected Bear Semen and has begun to sell it abroad, since the US FDA has deemed it two awesome to be allowed in the US.
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lol @ ella_guru's post haha.
In all seriousness though, someone already said it in the thread earlier (Ikonn). Flash has always been in the top three best BW players but his schedule made it impossible for him to preform correctly.
During the off season he gained a lot of rest and when the season started off again he hit the tear that all true Flash fans already knew he was capable of. Luckily he's been riding on that momentum ever since the start of the season. Mentally he is way ahead of everyone at the moment and as long as he is mentally able to handle his schedule, he'll continue to dominate.
EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that it's no coincidence that this ridiculous streak started after a long period of time off.
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LOL Love the last picture of Flash. And love his general Eye-twitchings too lol.
I think with the statements you made in your OP about how everyone is so close in skills, the only logical conclusion that we can draw from that is his mindset. The margin of skill is so small, yet Flash continues to plow through everyone. All that is left is the mental part of the equation.
1. He is at the top. So everybody he faces is gunning for him; with this mindset they are already looking up to Flash. When Flash first came into the league, he did not do this. Remember the game where he rushed Bisu [when Bisu was still with MBC and was one of the better players], Flash obviously didn't look up to his opponent in that match or series.
2. Flash is much more relaxed. Look at him in beginning of games compared to other contestants. I've seen Flash take a drink when he was 9/10 into the game. He's also said himself in an interview somewhere that he drinks because it reminds him of the practice room--a place where he is extremely comfortable in. In one of his earlier interviews he said that he never loses any of his practice games but lose a lot more in progamer matches. So he found a way to apply this and relax himself in progamer matches now. Compared to other progamers, they are sweating, making negative face gestures/remarks, crying, scratching their testicles...unheard of...okay maybe not unheard of.
3. I've seen some matches where opponents semi-prematurely GG. Flash never GG's unless he is out of minerals or they are destroying his entire main base. Some opponents "semi-prematurely" GG with him because they have this attitude that they are looking up to Flash, so they expect they will eventually lose in like the next 15 minutes. I have seen Flash come from behind to win. Perhaps it's because Flash macro>theirs...so it does come down to skill. Flash just has better Macro. Okay...#3 is a combination of Flash macro>others and some people just semi prematurely GG'ing.
4. Read 1
5. Double Emphasis on 2.
6. His eye-twitching death glares.
7. Read 6.
8. Read 8.
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I can buy this explanation.
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Flash basically have every build order and counter in the world in his head aswell as monsterous micro, he knows exactly what to do when he sees his opponents base and ajusts accordingly. You basically can't beat him straight up, you gotta throw him off his game or hit him when he least expect it.
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On May 14 2010 09:48 LaLuSh wrote:
Only Protoss I think could've won a bo5 against Flash is Stork.
Stork is someone who knows how to punish greedy builds.
i think stork at his prime can probably take 2-3 games off flash, but jangbi at his prime can probably roll flash 3-0, 3-1
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Canada5565 Posts
An ungodly combination of management and timings. Also, in ZvT, he is so quick moving his MnM around. Never leaves them still, so his multitask is obviously insane too.
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Mostly talent IMO. He's so much smarter than everyone else in the history of BW. It took him a while to fully mature as a player though due to the extreme workload he used to have (he carried a progaming team on his shoulders at the age of 16 ffs) and a little overconfidence/stubbornness/refusal to mix things up (like his periods of 14 CC, ''I don't need them turrets to defend'', Flash build turtle literally every TvP), but it's always been pretty obvious that he had ridiculous potential. Finally the pieces are coming together.  Ultimate Weapon indeed!
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Can someone explain why he does the thing with the ruler and the keyboard? Love the crazy face.
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On May 14 2010 10:38 maximuspita wrote:Can someone explain why he does the thing with the ruler and the keyboard? Love the crazy face. The Ruler of Pocari Sweat, Flash.
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I think he measures with a ruler the exact position of his keyboard, etc.
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i believe that FLASH is in what is called "the zone" by Day[9]
however i dont think that it is a normal "zone" for him like JD he has extraordinary focus which means that his "zone" would be even stronger play but Day[9] spoke about one event where he felt like he was watching himself play and win as he was doing it i believe that this is what flash might experience every single game and that this is the pinacle of focus where there is not even the slightest lapse in concentration for even a millisecond
also, Pocari Sweat (the drink he drinks) clearly helps him reach the comfort needed for this "zone" so i would say its the water (where can i buy some? lol)
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I think you should add "Final Form" to the list of Flashes nicknames, because thats what it appears to be.
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I'm so afraid Flash will slump like the rest of the Gods. I sure hope he doesn't, because I love seeing this terran freight train completely run over the competition!
but I feel T_T for JangBi
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It's all mental when you get to that level.
FlaSh has insane mental toughness, which he has cultivated from essentially being a child slave in the KT prohouse for like 3 years. I think that the fact that his team is doing so much better relieves a lot of the stress and pressure from him, so he can focus more on important games, as well as the fact that his mental state is overall better.
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hmm couple things i wanna say...
1. was it that kingdom said bisu's multitasking is slipping, or everyone else is catching up?
2. protoss is no longer his "weakest" race, after game 3 of playing FREE xD TvZ is.
3. jaedong still holds the record for vZ peak.
4. kespa score is really weird
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I lol'd.
Flash is imba. Nerf flash.
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He has, at the moment, the best mechanics, an amazing analytical mind of the game and the confidence to be an hero.
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flash is literally never going to lose again
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Probably one of the best posts I've ever seen TL.net. Also, so true.
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the ruler is a reference to how flash measures his keyboard and shit in the beginning of the game lol while his opponent hopelessly macros his first 5 scvs and spams :o
although i like that "ruler of pocari sweat, flash" explanation better lol 
Flash's impeccable micro and macro in the early mid, combined with great game sense / idea of when and where to attack is what seperates him from other players imo. It gives him a strong lead into the mid-late game, at which point his macro just becomes overwhelming and he still maintains above average control of his units. if it was just micro and macro, players like nada would still be dominating; however, nada's decision making has deteriorated, whereas flash attacks and defends his bases at just the right moment and place. I vaguely recall him saying something about his game sense being what seperated him from the rest of the progamers (in a winner's league interview?) whereas his physical was more or less "average".
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BETTER TEAMMATES
Seriously, now he doesn't have to spend all of his practice time and mental strength trying to carry his team like he used to. I remember during winners league last season he dropped out of both individuals because he was too busy trying to reverse all-kill.
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IMO maps have a lot to do with it. Almost every new map has been a terran heaven, and things don't seem to be changing in any way.
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Im sure it's not thanks to Pocari Sweat.
Since you said Flash was doing so well thanks to Pocari Sweat few months ago, I've been drinking 2 liters of Pocari Sweat per day, and I'm still C-. I expected to reach at least B+ rank. Thanks for wasting my money in Pocari Sweat 
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His mind seems to move really fast. He seems to think a few steps ahead of most of the players. He has developed the "game sense" that allows him to react a bit faster, to make correct decisions, to predict certain moves, and that puts him ahead. His confidence fuels this. Every victory strengthens his game sense more and until psychologically he begins to doubt himself, to doubt his sense, he remains a bit faster than the others. And that is how he can do so well.
Coupled with the factor that his opponents have now become a little more intimidated by him, which makes them doubt themselves a little more. Map favoring plays a role as well.
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flash and JD too nuts them playing anyone else is just boring
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On May 14 2010 12:06 endy wrote:Im sure it's not thanks to Pocari Sweat. Since you said Flash was doing so well thanks to Pocari Sweat few months ago, I've been drinking 2 liters of Pocari Sweat per day, and I'm still C-. I expected to reach at least B+ rank. Thanks for wasting my money in Pocari Sweat
its funny that i read your post and then your sig ^_^
well in all seriousness, i think its mainly hiss macro, he always seems to hace more units tu back any failed attack. ALWAYS has more.
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Flash was THE child prodigy, so when he grew up a bit, it's natural that he became so dominating...
As to WHY he was the child prodigy, who knows?
Maybe he's just genetically capable of being able to keep track of many things at once; multitasking is not a learned skill, but more of an innate one (which is supposedly why women are better at multitasking than men... too bad more of them don't play SC lol).
Maybe he was actually that mysterious hybrid creature that the bonus level of SCBW showed, a combination of Terran/Protoss/Zerg... and he was so epic he broke out of the game and started owning his genetic parents on Multiplayer. This would fully explain why he knows so much about Starcraft.
Or maybe (and I think this is the most likely) God wanted to play SCBW too, cuz its such a bitching game, and he needed a human vessel.
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Flash is just a monster. No way to argue that. That dude rips up everything in his path. I gotta say that I wish Jaedong would get better soon and take him on head to head (because no one cares about protoss =P)
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On May 14 2010 12:00 Shikyo wrote:
IMO maps have a lot to do with it. Almost every new map has been a terran heaven, and things don't seem to be changing in any way.
Proleague:
TvZ: 81-74 (52.3%)
PvT: 64-55 (53.8%)
OSL:
TvZ: 25-20 (55.6%)
PvT: 13-12 (52%)
Semifinals: 2 P, 1 Z, 1 T
MSL:
TvZ: 11-7 (61.1%)
PvT: 9-13 (40.9%)
Semifinals: 2 Z, 1 P, 1 T
Your statement is based on what exactly? Let me guess, you think the only reason Terrans aren't dominating is because every Terran besides Flash is mysteriously slumping and unable to exploit the amazing imbalance of these "terran heavens" properly, am I right?
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I don't know why you are surprised to see a dominant player. See Tiger Woods, Lebron, Jordan, etc. Every once in a while a freak comes along in every sport. In fact, other sports have been 'figured out' to an even greater degree, but totally dominant players still come.
Also note that Flash has only been TOTALLY dominant for the past 6 months or so. The respective greats in other sports have a much longer reign.
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On May 14 2010 10:29 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 09:48 LaLuSh wrote:
Only Protoss I think could've won a bo5 against Flash is Stork.
Stork is someone who knows how to punish greedy builds. i think stork at his prime can probably take 2-3 games off flash, but jangbi at his prime can probably roll flash 3-0, 3-1
Jangbi in his prime was a terrible choker who got crushed by Luxury. Jangbi in his prime would get dismantled by current Flash.
Jangbi, at his absolute best, struggled in a Bo5 with Nada (who, to be fair, played far better than anyone expected), on fairly good maps. I don't know what Jangbi you're talking about.
Stork's 1-2 with Flash in Bo5s so I'd give him an alright shot if he was in shape.
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Because he can best his opponents both mechanically and psychologically.
Never underestimate psychological warfare, especially Flash's
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On May 14 2010 12:39 alfybet wrote:
I don't know why you are surprised to see a dominant player. See Tiger Woods, Lebron, Jordan, etc. Every once in a while a freak comes along in every sport. In fact, other sports have been 'figured out' to an even greater degree, but totally dominant players still come.
Also note that Flash has only been TOTALLY dominant for the past 6 months or so. The respective greats in other sports have a much longer reign.
This isnt sports.
this is
ESPORTS
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what does the ruler actually do to help? i've seen in nal_ra's old boy episodes where he used the ruler on his keyboard.
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On May 14 2010 12:47 Sephy69 wrote:
what does the ruler actually do to help? i've seen in nal_ra's old boy episodes where he used the ruler on his keyboard.
Flash uses a ruler to measure the exact position of his keyboard so it's perfect and in the same place every single time.
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It's all about the decision making baby.
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On May 14 2010 12:50 dhe95 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 12:47 Sephy69 wrote:
what does the ruler actually do to help? i've seen in nal_ra's old boy episodes where he used the ruler on his keyboard. Flash uses a ruler to measure the exact position of his keyboard so it's perfect and in the same place every single time.
Source ?
^^
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On May 14 2010 12:50 dhe95 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 12:47 Sephy69 wrote:
what does the ruler actually do to help? i've seen in nal_ra's old boy episodes where he used the ruler on his keyboard. Flash uses a ruler to measure the exact position of his keyboard so it's perfect and in the same place every single time. Really? Wow, if that's the truth then this kid is a... I don't know what to call him anymore.
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On May 14 2010 12:59 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 12:50 dhe95 wrote:On May 14 2010 12:47 Sephy69 wrote:
what does the ruler actually do to help? i've seen in nal_ra's old boy episodes where he used the ruler on his keyboard. Flash uses a ruler to measure the exact position of his keyboard so it's perfect and in the same place every single time. Source ? ^^
There was a post-game interview in which Flash left his ruler at home. His coach immediately went to buy a new ruler for him. He uses the ruler to align his keyboard with the screen to exact precision, and I'm sure the mousepad too, etc. Watch Nal_rA's Oldboy for footage of that, forgot what episode... but it's the one where he plays Flash at the KT house.
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i wonder will we look back and say naa he was good cause he didnt have any real competition.. or we will say he was a .......
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Man I see a lot of Flash threads.
Flash is doing so well because of his hard work. Carrying KTF for all this time, being thrust into random high pressure situations over and over... it's paid off.
Flash deserves his reign right now, but somebody's going to topple him someday.
Let it be Jaedong.
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On May 14 2010 12:59 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 12:50 dhe95 wrote:On May 14 2010 12:47 Sephy69 wrote:
what does the ruler actually do to help? i've seen in nal_ra's old boy episodes where he used the ruler on his keyboard. Flash uses a ruler to measure the exact position of his keyboard so it's perfect and in the same place every single time. Source ? ^^
Ye, its legit.
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On May 14 2010 12:59 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 12:50 dhe95 wrote:On May 14 2010 12:47 Sephy69 wrote:
what does the ruler actually do to help? i've seen in nal_ra's old boy episodes where he used the ruler on his keyboard. Flash uses a ruler to measure the exact position of his keyboard so it's perfect and in the same place every single time. Source ? ^^
Flash says this in a radio interview he comes out with Savior & Bisu.
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I hope Bisu or Jaedong's the one that topples him from his throne. Seriously I want Bisu to make a comeback so bad...
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Flash has said in the 뒷담화 program that he's come to some sort of enlightenment or revelation.
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I hope his reign last very very very long
Maybe, until the end of starcraft 1.
He has to get dual gold to make his reign more dominant!! GrrRRr
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On MaY 14 2010 13:36 theramstoss wrote:
Flash has SaiD in the 뒷담화 program that he's come to some sort of enlightenment or revelation.
Definitely this, even if it sounds corny and stupid. During his series match against  July in GOM, it was like something clicked inside his head and he finally learnt how to win individual league matches. Beforehand, he was simply a really, really good  Light: good at playing the standard game which is useful in proleague but not much besides that.
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
there is a joke in Korea right now
Netizen
how does one beat flash???
Netizen
u gotta drink gatorade dude
Netizen
no man powerade is obviously god tier
gatorade is retarded
Netizen
fuck u fag
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Interesting...
This could be all fixed. You can't have Jaedong always be top dog. Someone's gotta take over that nobody likes, so it can produce an epic story. And then, Jaedong, the goldenboy, defeats his opponent after many years of struggle... ~
yeah.
Even though I was just joking, with the whole match fixing thing, I'm a bit of a skeptic now. Flash, coming out of nowhere, (really) was kind of crazy. but hey, whatever.
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Flash has always been this good (as in way better than the rest of progamers). He's mentioned in interviews that he rarely loses to anyone in practice games (even Jaedong/Bisu/Stork) but he just wasn't able to harness his skills in practice during TV matches. I think now he's finally matured into someone who can play as well as he does in practice (as in unstoppable).
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On May 14 2010 14:40 Lokian wrote:
Interesting...
This could be all fixed. You can't have Jaedong always be top dog. Someone's gotta take over that nobody likes, so it can produce an epic story. And then, Jaedong, the goldenboy, defeats his opponent after many years of struggle... ~
yeah.
Even though I was just joking, with the whole match fixing thing, I'm a bit of a skeptic now. Flash, coming out of nowhere, (really) was kind of crazy. but hey, whatever.
He came out of nowhere? He worked pretty hard for his first OSL title, which he won at age 15, by defeating both Bisu and Stork (at their primes) with his enhanced iloveoov builds (double armory and sometimes 14cc).
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On May 14 2010 13:54 MrHoon wrote:
there is a joke in Korea right now
Netizen
how does one beat flash???
Netizen
u gotta drink gatorade dude
Netizen
no man powerade is obviously god tier
gatorade is retarded
Netizen
fuck u fag
I like this.
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
change in mindset + determination.
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
On May 14 2010 12:59 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 12:50 dhe95 wrote:On May 14 2010 12:47 Sephy69 wrote:
what does the ruler actually do to help? i've seen in nal_ra's old boy episodes where he used the ruler on his keyboard. Flash uses a ruler to measure the exact position of his keyboard so it's perfect and in the same place every single time. Source ? ^^
Can't recall the source but it does happen for all his games.
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Every time flash twitches his opponent forgets to micro.
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On May 14 2010 14:45 ArC_man wrote:
Flash has always been this good (as in way better than the rest of progamers). He's mentioned in interviews that he rarely loses to anyone in practice games (even Jaedong/Bisu/Stork) but he just wasn't able to harness his skills in practice during TV matches. I think now he's finally matured into someone who can play as well as he does in practice (as in unstoppable).
Yeah, I remember this. During his slump in mid-09, I think the problem was just his stubborness and pride in just absolutely needing to play the way he wanted to play (14cc/macro games), not dissimilar to IdrA's mentality. However, now he's a lot more mature and flexible in his play and is starting to build very strong mental fortitude. He's always had the skills, but things just finally clicked, and combined with his good mood and hunger for success, he's finally reaching his devastating potential. I think he will still get better as he himself has recognised that some aspects of his play are still lacking.
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I guess the only reason Flash's game is way above others is his decision making and his quick adjustment to the game. Same reason why Savior was bonjwa during his prime. Noone can beat him because he can adjust to any given situation.
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I'd like to point out that FlaSh unlike most progamers makes new builds and uses those and other T's usally take one to two months to start doing whatever FlaSh had been doing.
FlaSh has invented..
Double Armory TvP
Rine/Goli TvZ
3 Rax Tech TvZ
9Min Push TvZ
Valk/Bio TvZ
Super FD TvP
all in the past 2 years.
No one has come close ot making that many build recent times.
This a part along with his macro and micro and game sense that makes him better than the rest.
Last MSL.. FlaSH was going 3 Rax Tech vZ and Double Armory vP
This MSL.. FlaSh is doing Valk/bio vZ and Super FD vP
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Nah, Flash has only one build order: 9 Supply into Win (the Pocari Build)
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i woudlnt say he invented, he perfected other stuffs, that's all.
(maybe the 2-1 armory push)
anyone can copy BO.
If UpMagic was half as good as Flash and on air as much, i think he can invent these crazy BO as well, but not perfect it.
and Flash invented the 10 v 3 base TvZ.
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Flash is good because of the map imbalances. Current map set is imbalanced towards Flash. Just like Katrina, or Medusa.
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I think his advantage is mostly psychological. Just like in any other individual sport, when you reach the very top all of the players have similar skillsets, and the one who will be a champion is the one who is toughest mentally. Flash has an amazing sense for game flow and predicting what his opponent will do (ie: yomi), which allows him to win games that technically speaking, he really shouldn't.
I hate to draw sports comparisons, but I think the way Flash is dominating right now is similar to the way Roger Federer dominated mens tennis a few years ago. Although Flash will occasionally lose 1v1 matches, in longer bo3 or bo5 sets he is almost unbeatable because he can break his opponents psychologically, whereas other players are not able to do the same to him. Once he reached a point where he was considered #1, the intimidation factor also started working in his favour. Right now Flash often gets easier wins than he should because his opponents have psyched themselves out before the match even begins. Look at how he crushed Free the other night in MSL. After the first game, you could already see that Free was not in a good place mentally, and after the second game the result was pretty much a foregone conclusion.
To continue the tennis comparison, once Federer finally got beaten by Nadal in a major tournament, he suddenly started taking losses from other guys too. It wasn't that he started playing worse or everyone else improved sharply, the difference was that he lost his aura of invulnerability. Other players realised that if one guy could beat him, they probably could too. Nowadays Federer is amongst a group of about five elite players who trade wins and losses against each other, and although he maintains his #1 ranking he is no longer considered "unbeatable".
In my opinion this will eventually happen to Flash too, and he will go back to being "one of the elite players" rather than standing alone above everybody else.
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i disagree. flash has by far the biggest nature-born talent when it comes to gamesense and is very gifted at crafting new builds aswell. combine this with a mature and strong mindset (which he has only grown recently, which also explains what he was lacking before) and impeccable micro and macro and u get the ultimate weapon. maybe flash will become vulernable and mortal again, but before sc1 fades into oblivion, there wont be anybody reaching the skill and dominance again which flash is exhibiting right now.
he is the "end all starcraft player".
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its just about his insanse amount of practise
didnt he say somewhere that there was a time he practised over 20 hours a day?
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This thread will seem so stupid after JD crushes him...again
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On May 14 2010 20:25 Loffeman wrote:
This thread will seem so stupid after JD crushes him...again
Yeah man, cause as we all know, if JD beats Flash then all of Flash's other victories this season become wiped from the records.
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@Loffeman: or will he?
Even if JD crushes Flash, Flash still does well against the whole rest of them.
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btw, in the msl finals, the games ended before any real display of skill could be shown, except maybe the power outage game (good defense by jaedong). game 4 was a joke and game 1 was a muta win. it wasn't a "crush" and this time around i believe flash has an even better chance to win.
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On May 14 2010 20:25 Loffeman wrote:
This thread will seem so stupid after JD crushes him...again
If that happends, how will that change Proleague and OSL feats where Flash is still dominating? Explain please
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I've been a Flash hater since day 1, but not even I can deny any longer that Flash is a phenomenal T. Even if he will lose to JD in the MSL finals, he's still pretty much untouchable for the rest of the progamers in the long run.
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Q: Do you ever get fed up with all the practice? How do you overcome these frustrations if you do have them?
Jaedong: I try not to think like that, so I don’t. If such a train of thought start to cross my mind, I do all I can to set myself straight right away through mind control. That’s how I deal with it. It’s a battle against yourself. There’s nothing to tell apart from the fact that I do what I can to stay focused; little things like writing myself motivational notes, reading inspirational passages from books, and setting aside some time before I sleep for meditation.
Flash: The thought never crossed my mind. The game is so much fun for me, and I really want to win, so there’s no problem doing what I do. [...]
No matter how hard you work it's tough to keep up with someone who just sees it as play.
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LOL
but yea, there is like no good competition.. not like in 2006 when savior had to win OSL with all the the impressive terrans on garbage maps
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On May 14 2010 20:25 Loffeman wrote:
This thread will seem so stupid after JD crushes him...again
LOL, what? yes because flash in 2 finals AGAIN,.. maybe winning both this time, domination in proleague, with very matchup record over 70%, dosent mean anything? even if he lost to jd ( wont hapen flash will win msl n osl) how can you say such a stupid thing :D?
On May 14 2010 17:23 dtnmang wrote:
Nah, Flash has only one build order: 9 Supply into Win (the Pocari Build)
 lol
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There are still people claiming JaeDong "crushed" FlaSh last finals? O_o
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just some dickriding jd fanboys. Nothing new, bitter about flash winning recently. People say it's just maps, LOLOLOL did they even watch the games he's played?
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Whenever I am unsure of how Flash will take down his next opponent, I try to ask myself the other way: Well how is the other guy gonna beat Flash?
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On May 15 2010 00:14 Zeridian wrote:
just some dickriding jd fanboys. Nothing new, bitter about flash winning recently. People say it's just maps, LOLOLOL did they even watch the games he's played?
New account lybd?
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On May 14 2010 23:20 Mobius wrote:LOL but yea, there is like no good competition.. not like in 2006 when savior had to win OSL with all the the impressive terrans on garbage maps
rofl?
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What are flash's weaknesses ?
Answer : He has no weakness.
He's so good because there is nothing lacking in his game. His macro is damn perfect, his micro is freaking awesome, his strategic sense is unmatched.
Maybe his playstyle is a bit predictible because he just does what had to be done. But even then, how do you counter perfect play (specifically from terran)? : you don't
He's good on EVERY aspects of the game.
That's why i think he's so BONJWA
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It's been said before and it'll probably be said again; can we wait for more than three months before trying to declare someone a bonjwa?
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On May 15 2010 00:53 Zozma wrote:
It's been said before and it'll probably be said again; can we wait for more than three months before trying to declare someone a bonjwa?
Everyone has their own concept of bonjwa, some consider him one, some don't. Some consider him to be above bonjwa already, some are just waiting for him to take both leagues, others just want him to get the golden mouse. Koreans call him God Young Ho, commentators call him above bonjwa as well. There's no "declaring" someone bonjwa because everyone will disagree, some people don't really want any bonjwas and will just deny it until the end, no matter how many impossible feats Flash does. So everyone should just stick with their opinions, really.
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On May 14 2010 12:00 De4ngus wrote:
BETTER TEAMMATES
Seriously, now he doesn't have to spend all of his practice time and mental strength trying to carry his team like he used to. I remember during winners league last season he dropped out of both individuals because he was too busy trying to reverse all-kill.
Well, Luxury has dropped off the face of the earth, but the revival of ForGG along with the improved play of Violet has really helped. But he's still carrying the team for the most part, so this is really an insufficient explanation. Flash is just that much better than everyone else right now.
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On May 15 2010 00:53 Zozma wrote:
It's been said before and it'll probably be said again; can we wait for more than three months before trying to declare someone a bonjwa?
Realitycheck
- Flash since 2009-05-14
- Winratio total : 80.75%
- thats a year
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Its absoltely insane skill lvl, while the competition is closer, statement that skills has less value is not accurate, at least for the top lvl players.
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FLASH IS BONJWA. HE'S JUST TOOO GOOD
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On May 15 2010 01:11 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2010 00:53 Zozma wrote:
It's been said before and it'll probably be said again; can we wait for more than three months before trying to declare someone a bonjwa? Realitycheck - Flash since 2009-05-14
- Winratio total : 80.75%
- thats a year
Holy shit. I had no idea he's winning 80% of his games, and has been foor a year. Bonjwa status, and beyond.
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