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gjg.instinct

144 Posts

March 11 2010 17:58 GMT

#141

Actually Bisu equalized PvZ...

in response to what I said about Bisu revolutionizing PvZ, and further....

Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it.

fair enough. but now...

I would say revolutionizing PvZ is quite a success in itself....he DID make Protosses a lot more successful

So i'm not sure what you are saying. Anyway you quoted me out of context...I said he didn't make them more successful beyond the "surprise" factor. Once zergs knew how to play against his build, which took about a year of Bisu and not even a handful of protosses having some moderate success, they started getting rolled. Terran player (singular) and Zergs have completely dominated the scene for a long time now. It is no secret to anyone following pro gaming that protosses have been slumping at the highest level.

Your argument seems to be the contradiction, claiming that completely changing the way a matchup is played "didn't really make protosses a lot more successful."

What is contradictory about that? Yes, Bisu revolutionized PvZ. Yes, protosses have been slumping for a long time, especially in PvZ. The evidence is clear.

I won't respond to this anymore; you sound smart but misinformed.

Kyo Yuy

United States1286 Posts

March 11 2010 18:14 GMT

#142

Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it.

Is spoken in regards to your claim that Jaedong and Flash revolutionized all three of their matchups. 2hatch muta was coined by July and 3hatch muta was coined by Savior. Jaedong popularized a build that July had been using for a long time in ZvT. Jaedong did not create a revolution in ZvT, he simply brought back an old build just as Fantasy brought back mech for a period of time. Also, Fantasy did revolutionize TvZ for a short time with his Valkonic build, but many argued that he was NOT the best at TvZ. So the argument holds both ways: being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it, and revolutionizing a matchup doesn't mean you're the best at it.

Case in point, who discovered muta micro? Shark[GM].

However, in BISU'S case, he WAS the best at PvZ AND he revolutionized it. You took that same claim and applied it to Jaedong and Flash. There's a reason why BISU is called THE Revolutionist, and Leessang isn't called "The Revolutionists."

Protoss has an almost 50% win rate against Zerg from early 2007 to mid 2009. That's more than just "about a year." Were you around in late 2008 for Club Day MSL? Just wondering, because Protosses steamrolled everything in late 2008, almost 2 years after Bisu revolutionized PvZ.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

March 11 2010 18:17 GMT

#143

While Jaedong might not of revolutionized ZvT, he surely recreated ZvZ into what it is today (for better or worse).

I agree Bisu did save PvZ at one point. Now Nal_ra will save it!

dukethegold

Canada5645 Posts

March 12 2010 15:18 GMT

#144

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Jaedong got knocked out of the OSL, just like Bisu.

I hope this will help out Bisu somehow.

stambe

Bulgaria497 Posts

March 12 2010 15:35 GMT

#145

On March 13 2010 00:18 dukethegold wrote:
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