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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
March 09 2010 12:59 GMT
#121
For the record, I predicted it - he's in my FPL anti team :3

Keep it up Bisu!
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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
March 09 2010 13:00 GMT
#122
On March 09 2010 21:53 C[SCL] wrote:
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On March 09 2010 21:03 Kare wrote:
As I have said since the beginning, FlaSh is the only one out of Bisu,Jaedong and that stuff that is playing just as good every time and dominate the scene for a long time. While Bisu and Jaedong looses to randoms(darkelf,gogo etc..) Flash just destroys every single person he comes by and has done for a long time now. He is getting better and better and he is never pleased with his results no matter how good they are!


lol. I did not even know he existed last season. He got eliminated too early on individual leagues and the only league he owned was GOM. Flash, for me has just stepped it up at the beginning of the 09-10 Proleague.


yah flash had a big lull for a bit where he couldnt get past the ro8, maybe for like a year. something about the summer of 09 kickstarted flash into monster mode
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NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
March 09 2010 13:21 GMT
#123
On March 09 2010 21:03 Kare wrote:
As I have said since the beginning, FlaSh is the only one out of Bisu,Jaedong and that stuff that is playing just as good every time and dominate the scene for a long time. While Bisu and Jaedong looses to randoms(darkelf,gogo etc..) Flash just destroys every single person he comes by and has done for a long time now. He is getting better and better and he is never pleased with his results no matter how good they are!


Jaedong is the most consistent of them all. His mental fortitude is ridiculous. Both Jaedong/Flash has dominated proleague pretty consistently, but the individual leagues tell a different story. Jaedong has 5, Flash with 2. They emerged in the spotlight relatively at the same time.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
March 09 2010 14:32 GMT
#124
On March 09 2010 16:25 Ryo wrote:
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On March 09 2010 14:54 dukethegold wrote:
On March 09 2010 14:51 LuCky. wrote:
if you think this is bad wait till you see the threads on ygosu, daumnet, cycafe, etc.



So how bad is it? I am curious. Me no Korean, u see.


They can be pretty mean in the name calling among other things. Probably why Bisu removed the contents from his cyworld some time ago. But given his introverted personality, pressure will just make it worse. SKT needs to bring in a new coach or some other change. Bisu's not the going to suddenly bounce back and defy his critics, he needs a good motivator.



On March 09 2010 20:09 PoP wrote:
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On March 09 2010 20:05 Chen wrote:
obligatory bump due to the WL happenings. seriously wtf is going on?


Wax just said Bisu was on vacation. (And that it was serious.)


Oh shit, this sounds serious.

Bisu still got the MSL left. He needs to visit Tailand or something and gather himself.

Maybe pick up a new build while in Tailand too.
kiendudu
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands273 Posts
March 09 2010 14:40 GMT
#125
On March 09 2010 23:32 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2010 16:25 Ryo wrote:
On March 09 2010 14:54 dukethegold wrote:
On March 09 2010 14:51 LuCky. wrote:
if you think this is bad wait till you see the threads on ygosu, daumnet, cycafe, etc.



So how bad is it? I am curious. Me no Korean, u see.


They can be pretty mean in the name calling among other things. Probably why Bisu removed the contents from his cyworld some time ago. But given his introverted personality, pressure will just make it worse. SKT needs to bring in a new coach or some other change. Bisu's not the going to suddenly bounce back and defy his critics, he needs a good motivator.



Show nested quote +
On March 09 2010 20:09 PoP wrote:
On March 09 2010 20:05 Chen wrote:
obligatory bump due to the WL happenings. seriously wtf is going on?


Wax just said Bisu was on vacation. (And that it was serious.)


Oh shit, this sounds serious.

Bisu still got the MSL left. He needs to visit Tailand or something and gather himself.

Maybe pick up a new build while in Tailand too.


Thailand, not Tailand,

I was wondering why Bisu was not in the SKT bench I hope he can get back to his formal shape after the vacation,
^^
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-09 15:23:10
March 09 2010 15:11 GMT
#126
When Bisu went to Thailand in '07, he went with the entire MBC team. I'm not sure how much a solo vacation is going to help him. His slumping is mainly psychological so SKT need to do something about that. It's by no means over for him but the manager has to handle him properly.
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-09 15:12:15
March 09 2010 15:11 GMT
#127
I'm not a fan of Bisu, but I don't think he's past his prime. He's not an old school player; his mechanics are still on par with other S-class players. I think he might just be temporarily demotivated for whatever reason (possibly bad results in individual leagues causing a snowball effect) but he still has what it takes to win another league.
Papvin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark610 Posts
March 09 2010 18:29 GMT
#128
Bisu . I think he's the player I'm getting the most sad watching, being my second favourite player, and sucking so hard :/. Playing this badly (really, people saying he's still good, wtf? have you even watched his games, or just looked at statistics :S?), I really fear if he'll ever get good again.
But Bisu, we berreeeeeve! Go kill Flash in MSL finals!
"It's criminally negligent to dismiss Rock's contributions to other people's careers", Dukethegold
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
March 09 2010 19:39 GMT
#129
On March 09 2010 21:03 Kare wrote:
As I have said since the beginning, FlaSh is the only one out of Bisu,Jaedong and that stuff that is playing just as good every time and dominate the scene for a long time. While Bisu and Jaedong looses to randoms(darkelf,gogo etc..) Flash just destroys every single person he comes by and has done for a long time now. He is getting better and better and he is never pleased with his results no matter how good they are!


How long have you actually been following Flash? He has been pretty damn good, starting from fall of 2009 up to this point but honestly before then, your statement about him playing his best every time and bringing results better than Bisu and JD are completely untrue. Half an year ago, Bisu and JD(maybe Stork and even fantasy) would have been favovourites over the guy.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
March 09 2010 20:14 GMT
#130
THis thread proves that people have such short term memories. =/
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
March 09 2010 20:55 GMT
#131
On March 06 2010 15:56 tirentu wrote:
He's past his prime. And I love the delicious, delicious tears of Bisu fanboys.


One of the sweetest sights in existance.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
March 09 2010 21:07 GMT
#132
On March 10 2010 05:55 HaXXspetten wrote:
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On March 06 2010 15:56 tirentu wrote:
He's past his prime. And I love the delicious, delicious tears of Bisu fanboys.


One of the sweetest sights in existance.

totally
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
March 09 2010 22:06 GMT
#133
mehh i wanted my play to be more like bisu's, not bisu's be more like mine ;_;

anyways, i agree with the people saying that SKT protosses have the same PvT build. With predictability like that, they can't ever hope to win in PvT, especially against monsters like flash.
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YoonHo
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1043 Posts
March 09 2010 22:21 GMT
#134
I used to make fun of bisu and all too, then one day on ygosu (where there were numerous threads making fun of bisu, there is still a few) had this one thread where it showed how tired bisu looked in a number of matches. Red eyes, slouching shoulders, dark circles... kinda felt bad for him. Before then, there were threads about how Jaedong looked tired with the same symptoms. I guess it just goes to show you that it takes a shitload of practice to stay on top (unless ur flash cuz flash is a machine). I hope he can regain his former shape and start doing better soon.
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lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-09 22:30:40
March 09 2010 22:23 GMT
#135
On March 10 2010 07:06 blahman3344 wrote:
mehh i wanted my play to be more like bisu's, not bisu's be more like mine ;_;

anyways, i agree with the people saying that SKT protosses have the same PvT build. With predictability like that, they can't ever hope to win in PvT, especially against monsters like flash.


I'd say Bisu mixes up his PvT a little. Best on the other hand... tech, macro, 2 base arbiters, macro, recall. But yes, Bisu strikes me as the sensitive/shy kind that really cares about his image. These type of people takes more to recover from depression/defeat as they have a harder time brushing it off, but once they get rolling with the confidence... BAM!

I'd say all these losses to losers are beneficial to Bisu because it will destroy whats left of his arrogance/corrupt confidence. Hopefully it will bring back the Bisu who plays to destroy and humiliate scrubs with scouts with no mercy.

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Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
gjg.instinct
Profile Joined May 2009
144 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-09 22:37:46
March 09 2010 22:36 GMT
#136
I've never thought Bisu was on par with Jae dong and Flash. Bisu revolutionized one match up against the expiring shelf life of an old legend, but it didn't really make protosses a lot more successful for a very long time past the "surprise" factor. Jae dong and Flash changed the way their respective races were understood, in every MU, and they did it by destroying everyone, starting with anyone else who played their own respective race. Evidence? Who is the best ZvT? The best ZvZ? ZvP? TvP? TvZ? TvT?
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
March 09 2010 23:16 GMT
#137
On March 10 2010 07:36 gjg.instinct wrote:
I've never thought Bisu was on par with Jae dong and Flash. Bisu revolutionized one match up against the expiring shelf life of an old legend, but it didn't really make protosses a lot more successful for a very long time past the "surprise" factor. Jae dong and Flash changed the way their respective races were understood, in every MU, and they did it by destroying everyone, starting with anyone else who played their own respective race. Evidence? Who is the best ZvT? The best ZvZ? ZvP? TvP? TvZ? TvT?

Actually Bisu equalized PvZ, a matchup that used to be considered to be extremely uncomfortable to play especially during Savior's reign of dominance.

Considering that one base PvZ builds are considered the exception, rather than a possible choice at this time, I would say that Bisu really did change the way Protoss was played against Zerg.

Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it. Xellos was once considered the best in all 3 matchups but really the only matchup he really changed was TvT.
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WaveMotion
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States147 Posts
March 10 2010 00:07 GMT
#138
nah. bisu will be fine. flash was god when he first burst on the scene but then went nowhere for a year, and now hes back. bisu will be fine.
In heaven, everything is fine.
gjg.instinct
Profile Joined May 2009
144 Posts
March 10 2010 16:18 GMT
#139
On March 10 2010 08:16 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2010 07:36 gjg.instinct wrote:
I've never thought Bisu was on par with Jae dong and Flash. Bisu revolutionized one match up against the expiring shelf life of an old legend, but it didn't really make protosses a lot more successful for a very long time past the "surprise" factor. Jae dong and Flash changed the way their respective races were understood, in every MU, and they did it by destroying everyone, starting with anyone else who played their own respective race. Evidence? Who is the best ZvT? The best ZvZ? ZvP? TvP? TvZ? TvT?

Actually Bisu equalized PvZ, a matchup that used to be considered to be extremely uncomfortable to play especially during Savior's reign of dominance.

Considering that one base PvZ builds are considered the exception, rather than a possible choice at this time, I would say that Bisu really did change the way Protoss was played against Zerg.

Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it. Xellos was once considered the best in all 3 matchups but really the only matchup he really changed was TvT.


I guess you don't understand the reference because you don't know what KTY's nickname is. (the Revolutionist). In this light, I think the description I gave of his influence on PvZ is more accurate than yours.

Your post suggest a contradiction, but nothing you wrote disagrees with what I said; although there does seem to be some confusion in your own words.

PvZ, a matchup that used to be considered to be extremely uncomfortable to play... Considering that one base PvZ builds are considered the exception


Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it.


Yea I guess not. I was going by the nickname he was crowned with by every single Korean / foreigner / pro gamer. Maybe you should take up your dispute with everyone who has ever followed pro gaming.

Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
March 10 2010 18:20 GMT
#140
On March 11 2010 01:18 gjg.instinct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2010 08:16 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On March 10 2010 07:36 gjg.instinct wrote:
I've never thought Bisu was on par with Jae dong and Flash. Bisu revolutionized one match up against the expiring shelf life of an old legend, but it didn't really make protosses a lot more successful for a very long time past the "surprise" factor. Jae dong and Flash changed the way their respective races were understood, in every MU, and they did it by destroying everyone, starting with anyone else who played their own respective race. Evidence? Who is the best ZvT? The best ZvZ? ZvP? TvP? TvZ? TvT?

Actually Bisu equalized PvZ, a matchup that used to be considered to be extremely uncomfortable to play especially during Savior's reign of dominance.

Considering that one base PvZ builds are considered the exception, rather than a possible choice at this time, I would say that Bisu really did change the way Protoss was played against Zerg.

Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it. Xellos was once considered the best in all 3 matchups but really the only matchup he really changed was TvT.


I guess you don't understand the reference because you don't know what KTY's nickname is. (the Revolutionist). In this light, I think the description I gave of his influence on PvZ is more accurate than yours.

Your post suggest a contradiction, but nothing you wrote disagrees with what I said; although there does seem to be some confusion in your own words.

Show nested quote +
PvZ, a matchup that used to be considered to be extremely uncomfortable to play... Considering that one base PvZ builds are considered the exception


Show nested quote +
Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it.


Yea I guess not. I was going by the nickname he was crowned with by every single Korean / foreigner / pro gamer. Maybe you should take up your dispute with everyone who has ever followed pro gaming.


You yourself said that Bisu's contribution didn't make Protosses any more successful. I would say revolutionizing PvZ is quite a success in itself. Also, Bisu was completely walking over everyone in 2007 MSLs right up until the GOMTV S3 Finals against Mind.

You argued that he revolutionized one matchup and that Protosses didn't become more successful as a result of it. I don't see how my argument, which is that he DID make Protosses a lot more successful, IS the contradiction. Your argument seems to be the contradiction, claiming that completely changing the way a matchup is played "didn't really make protosses a lot more successful."
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