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Last Edited: 2010-02-15 08:40:08
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As we look at the 10-year history of e-sports, we can easily notice that there have been a lot of people who have protected e-sports as one. Without their efforts, there might not have been e-sports as we know now.
If we were to ignore the efforts of people who built e-sports, it would have crumbled long time ago. (T)BoxeR, who has secured the position as the ‘emperor’ of e-sports, and (T)ToSsGirL, who continues to try her best as the ‘empress’ are perhaps the biggest pillars of e-sports. The two have spread e-sports and stand as the representative among all the players.
Despite the 10-year history, the two are still on top of their fields. Some people even say “even if I don’t follow e-sports, I know Boxer and Tossgirl.” That’s how much they stand above other players.
As people who secured the best spots in 10 years of e-sports, we wonder what they are planning for 2010. Daily Esports has interviewed the two as a Lunar New Year special.



=Already 10-years old

Daily Esports - It must’ve been a while since you guys have met like this

Tossgirl: I think it’s the first time since the Heritage match. Nice to meet you again.

Boxer: We did see each other in the preliminary although we didn’t get a chance to say hi to another. This preliminary was really important for me and Tossgirl. We both wanted to concentrate on the games, so we only acknowledged each other.


- How do you feel now that you’ve met after a long time?

Boxer: Nothing has changed since the first time I saw her. She’s already in her mid-20s (laughs). Honestly, I think it would be worse to say that she has changed in her mid-20s (laughs). I think it’ll be more apologetic to say that she hasn’t.

Tossgirl: Boxer knows me well (laughs). I like being the same person I used to be. As I get a year or two older, telling someone that they changed only means that they look older (laughs). It’s been a long time since I’ve seen him in formal clothes, and I think he became better-looking. As you get older, you become more veteran-like (laughs). I feel a comfortable and relaxing aura around him (laughs).

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- Now that I think about it, you both have aged a lot. Do you notice anything different because of your ages?

Tossgirl: When my picture gets uploaded on an article, people write “look at those wrinkles” or “Tossgirl’s so old” in them. It first bothered me when someone write that I’ve gotten chubbier, but now that I’m in my mid-20s, those comments are everywhere

Boxer: My endurance has changed. I can feel myself grow weaker every day. Last year, I was sick very frequently. I got a lot of cold, and experienced for the first time what enteritis feels like. After I noticed that my body wasn’t the same, I began to work out so it’s a lot better now. Other than my health, now that I hit 30, a lot of little things began to conflict with my mind. If I even get a little stress or get sick, my skin gets messed up right away. In the past, it healed pretty quickly, but I really have to work at it for it to get better. The things that used to be easy are now hard and I feel that everything I did easily in my 20’s cannot be done the same way in my 30’s.

Tossgirl: It hurts me to think that you feel that way when you’re not in your 40’s.

Boxer: You’ll know when you’re in your 30’s too. It comes fast (laughs).

Tossgirl: That’s why I’m listening to everything you say.

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- You seemed to have changed a lot in your 30’s. What do you want to tell Tossgirl, who has almost entered her 30’s as well?

Boxer: In their 20’s, people tend to play and work, and play and work repetitively. If you do that, you have to work intensely in your 30’s. However, if you work a lot in your 20’s, you can take rest of your life off rather easily.

Tossgirl: I understand that. Although I didn’t think about my future too much yet, I’m definitely working harder than I was in my early 20’s. I didn’t know how to get around this whole age dilemma, but now that I hear from an older progamer, I feel that this is wisdom. Honestly, Boxer has achieved so much in his life that he is like my role model.

=Boxer and Tossgirl worry about e-sports

- To people, Boxer and Tossgirl still are the icons of e-sports

Boxer: You have to bother the rank 1 player. I was harassed so much when I was rank 1 and it makes sense that the representation of e-sports should be its best player. I can’t keep this spot forever. But honestly, this is a really good thing for me. The fact that a lot of places call me up for things is still important for my self-advertisement. But if I were to look at it from broader point of view, this isn’t a good thing. There needs to be someone who should replace me, but none of the players not the teams even bother thinking about it. It’s bad.
We need to put more sense of duty for the rank 1 player. Rather than people simply saying “I want to play as well as him”, there needs to be someone who can act as a role model for progamers and life, but it’s a problem that I’m still in that spot. It’s a good thing to be acting as a role-model for people, but there can’t only be 1. More people with different styles should represent e-sports, and that way, e-sports will become more in depth.
I don’t think players think that they need anything else but skill. Experiencing that records and numbers aren’t everything is important, but there aren’t that many chances for that.

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Tossgirl: I agree 100% with Boxer. I worked out of e-sports scene a lot of times as well, and people seem to notice me a lot. Players only worry about their skills and records, so many people who aren’t familiar with e-sports still think that Boxer is rank 1. It’s not something that we can laugh about. If only we as players acknowledge each other, there isn’t going to be any advancement, but many players are satisfied with the way things are now.

- Does that mean there needs to be more advertisements?

Boxer: Simply playing a lot of games to show good results doesn’t have any meaning. I don’t get why people are swimming in a small pond. Rather than playing one or two games to make myself more famous and to raise my salary, I think it’s more important to give one more interview. Although Jaedong and Flash recently have won their individual leagues, they didn’t do much outside of the scene. It feels like they didn’t do something to spread their names around. Progamers should always think to themselves “whenever I’m doing well, let’s spread e-sports”.
It is true that records do affect their salaries, but they mustn’t forget that advertising e-sports and becoming the center of attention also raise salaries.

Tossgirl: I think there are players who need better numbers, and those who need more fame. For me, I’m in the mindset that I can cause an issue if I do well, so I’m practicing hard right now. The best players need to think how they can cause a lot of issues.

= You both aged enough… when are you planning to marry?

- Do a lot of people ask when you are going to get married?

Boxer: It’s starting to annoy me (laughs). The fact that I’m 31 years old makes people question that more. Honestly, my family pressures me a lot more than the public. However, marriage in midst of being a player doesn’t really cut through for me. For a person who plays games while his eyes are open until his eyes are shut, is there a luxury of marriage? I don’t think so. Even when SC2 comes out, I plan to be a player, so due to my greed of being a player, I think it’s right to push back my marriage.

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Tossgirl: I remember when January was asked this a lot in the past. But when she got married not too long ago, I was bombarded with these questions (laughs). Marriage for females comes at an earlier age than for males, so it’s obvious that people ask this a lot. But I don’t have a boyfriend, and I don’t have interest in marriage (laughs). I think I’ll marry very late. Although it’s a woman’s dream to marry, for ones who have goals to achieve, it’s right for it to come later.

= The emperor and the empress reveal their 2010 goals

- I think there are new goals for 2010 for you two

Boxer: Honestly, after I dropped out of the preliminaries, I’m in a panic mode. I don’t know if I can say this, but I thought this would be the last preliminary that I would attempt as a SC1 player. Therefore, I refused to televise my matches in order to focus despite the fact that a lot of fans wanted to see me. I’m planning to think about this sufficiently to make the correct decision. To continue trying as a Starcraft gamer, or to try something new, I will probably make the decision after this break. I didn’t decide on anything yet. I can participate in the preliminaries again. I hope everyone trusts me with my decision. I won’t decide on anything that will hurt me.

Tossgirl: Honestly, the title “Empress” burdened me a bit. Because I was the only female gamer, all the spotlight focused on me. I sometimes hope a different female player appears to take some away from me (laughs). However, now I’m comfortable. I don’t have the desire to look prettier anymore, and I only hope that I can do well now. I learned that hard work doesn’t betray you. I also learned that you get the results according to how much you try. I think of myself as a student. I hope to rise higher as an STX student, so I will try harder.

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- Anything else for fans?

Boxer: I hope to have good time with family whom I haven’t met in a while. Don’t eat too much food at once and become sick, but instead have a safe New Year’s. I’ll come back as a new Boxer.

Tossgirl: I hope this year’s New Year’s leaves a lot of memories for family. I hope you achieve all your dreams this year. Fighting!

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10년이 갓 지난 e스포츠의 역사를 돌아보면 한결같이 한 자리에서 e스포츠를 지켰던 사람들이 많다는 사실을 알 수 있다. e스포츠가 어떤 것이라는 개념을 갖기 전부터 지금까지 노력해 온 그들의 땀방울이 없었다면 지금처럼 윤곽을 갖지도 못했을 것이다.

많은 이가 함께 쌓아 온 e스포츠라는 공든 탑에서 선수라는 자격으로 이 사람들이 놓은 벽들을 뺀다면 아마 무너졌을 지도 모른다. e스포츠의 '황제'의 자리를 지금까지 지켜오고 있는 임요환과 여성 프로게이머로서 아직까지 도전을 멈추지 않고 있는 '여제' 서지수야 말로 e스포츠의 가장 큰 기둥이라 하겠다. 지금까지 e스포츠를 알리고 e스포츠를 대표하는 선수로 활동하면서 꾸준함을 보여주고 있다.

10년이 지난 지금 세대교체가 이뤄지면서도 아직까지 최고의 선수로 꼽히고 있는 두 선수. 일반인들에게 'e스포츠는 몰라도 임요환과 서지수는 안다'는 이야기를 들을 만큼 그들이 e스포츠에서 차지하고 있는 비중은 다른 선수들이 따라갈 수 없을 정도로 독보적이다.

e스포츠 10년간 최고의 자리를 지켜왔던 임요환과 서지수. 두 사람은 2010년을 앞두고 어떤 도전과 목표가 있을까? 데일리e스포츠는 설 특집으로 임요환과 서지수를 만나 다른 선수들에게서는 들을 수 없는 e스포츠 이야기에 대해 들어봤다.

◆벌써 10년 나이를 먹다
데일리e스포츠=두 선수가 개인적으로 이렇게 만나는 것은 오랜만일 것 같습니다.

서지수=작년 7월 스타크래프트 헤리티지 매치 이후 처음 보는 것 같아요. 정말 오랜만이네요.

임요환=사실 지난 개인리그 예선 때도 보긴 했죠. 인사를 나누거나 말을 하지는 못했지만요. 저와 지수에게 이번 예선은 정말 중요했거든요. 둘 다 예선에 집중하고 싶었던 마음이 있었기 때문인지 가볍게 목례만 했어요.

데일리e스포츠=오랜만에 보니 어떤 생각이 드는지.

임요환=정말 처음 봤을 때와 하나도 달라지지 않았어요. 이제 지수도 20대 중반이 됐네요(웃음). 사실 20대 중반이면 변했다는 말이 더 무서울 거에요(웃음). 그냥 예전과 똑같다는 말이 지수에게 큰 위로가 될 겁니다.

서지수=오빠가 제 마음을 잘 아네요(웃음). 요즘은 예전과 그대로라는 말이 더 기분 좋아요. 아무래도 나이를 한두 살 먹어가면서 변했다는 말은 늙었다는 말과 비슷하게 들리거든요(웃음). 사복 입은 모습을 정말 오랜만에 보는데 오빠는 더 멋있어 진 것 같아요. 나이가 먹으면 연륜이 깊어 진다고 하잖아요(웃음). 뭐랄까 그 전에 느끼지 못했던 여유와 푸근한 매력이 느껴지네요(웃음).



데일리e스포츠=그러고 보니 나이를 먹을 만큼 먹은 것 같네요. 나이 때문에 달라진 점을 느끼나요?

서지수=예선이나 다른 기사들에 사진이 올라오면 댓글에 '주름살 좀 봐', '서지수도 늙었네'라는 이야기가 꼭 포함돼 있더라고요. 살쪘다는 이야기도 있는데 처음에는 많이 신경 쓰였죠. 그런데 20대 후반을 향해 달려가는 나이가 되니 그런 이야기들을 초월하더라고요.

임요환=체력이 많이 달려요. 몸이 하루가 다르게 약해지고 있는 것을 느끼고 있어요. 사실 작년에 잔병치레를 하면서 자주 아팠어요. 감기도 계속 걸리고 태어나서 처음으로 장염이라는 것도 겪어 봤어요. 몸이 약해지는 것을 느낀 뒤 바로 운동을 시작했어요. 지금은 많이 괜찮아 진 것 같아요. 몸도 몸이지만 30대가 되고 나니 괜한 마음고생들이 생기더라고요. 스트레스를 조금만 더 받거나 몸이 안 좋으면 바로 피부가 망가져요. 예전에는 쉽게 회복했는데 요즘은 정말 애를 써야 회복이 되요. 관리하는 것이 점점 힘들어 지면서 '20대에는 쉽게 되던 일이 30대에서는 안 되는 구나'라고 느끼죠.

서지수=아직 40대도 아닌데 벌써 그런걸 느끼다니 마음이 아프네요.

임요환=너도 30대가 되면 알거야. 순식간이다(웃음).

서지수=그래서 마음에 새겨듣고 있어요.

데일리e스포츠=30대가 된 뒤 많은 것이 변한 것 같은데요. 30대를 앞두고 있는 서지수에게 어떤 이야기를 해주고 싶나요?



임요환=20대에는 대부분 사람들이 일하다 '놀다 일하다'를 반복하잖아요. 그렇게 되면 30대에도 똑같이 죽도록 일을 해야 해요. 하지만 20대에 바짝 일하면 30대를 조금 더 수월하게 보낼 수 있어요. 인생 설계도 쉬워지죠.

서지수=마음에 와 닿아요. 아직은 30대가 아니라 크게 생각한 적은 없지만 확실히 20대 초반에 비해서는 지금 정말 열심히 살고 있어요. 어렴풋이 생각했던 부분인데 프로게이머 선배이자 인생 선배에게 이런 이야기를 들으니 진리라는 생각이 드네요. 사실 요환이 오빠는 워낙 이뤄놓은 것도 많기 때문에 롤모델로 삼고 있어요.

◆황제-여제 e스포츠를 걱정하다
데일리e스포츠=아직도 일반인들에게는 임요환과 서지수가 e스포츠를 대표하는 아이콘인데.

임요환=랭킹 1위를 괴롭혀야 해요. 제가 랭킹 1위였을 때는 정말 괴롭힘을 많이 당했어요. 원래 e스포츠를 대표할 자리도 랭킹 1위가 가야 하는 것이 맞고요. 언제까지 제가 이 자리를 대신할 수는 없는 부분이잖아요. 사실 저를 위해서는 무척 좋은 일이에요. 아직도 불러주는 곳이 많다는 것은 제 자신의 홍보를 위해서도 필요한 일이니까요. 하지만 넓은 의미에서 볼 때는 좋지 않죠. 나를 대신할 사람이 필요한데 아직까지는 선수도, 선수단도 그런 생각은 별로 하지 않더라고요. 답답한 일이죠.
랭킹 1위에게 사명감을 불어넣어 줘야 해요. 단순히 '저 선수처럼 게임을 잘 하고 싶다'는 것이 아니라 프로게이머나 인생의 롤모델이 돼 줄 사람이 필요한데 아직도 그 자리에 제가 있다는 것은 문제에요. 누군가의 롤모델이 된다는 것은 행복한 일이지만 롤모델이 하나여서는 안되죠. 여러 명의, 여러 스타일을 가진 롤모델이 나와야 e스포츠가 더욱 풍성해진다고 생각해요.
실력 이외에 무언가가 필요하다는 생각을 요즘 선수들은 아예 하지 않는 것 같아요. 성적이 다가 아닌 것을 몸으로 느껴봐야 하는데 그럴 기회도 많지 않고요.



서지수=요환이 오빠 말에 100% 공감해요. 저도 외적인 활동을 정말 많이 했거든요. 그래서 일반 사람들도 많이 알아 주시는 것 같아요. 지금 선수들이 성적을 내는 부분에만 신경을 쓰기 때문인지 아직도 주변 사람들은 요환이 오빠가 랭킹 1위인 줄 알아요. 웃으면서 들을 이야기는 아니라고 생각해요. 우리끼리만 알아주고 우리끼리만 좋다고 하면 더 이상의 발전은 없는 것인데 지금에 만족하고 있는 부분이 많은 것 같아 답답하긴 해요.

데일리e스포츠=더 많은 홍보가 필요하다는 것인가요.

임요환=단순히 게임을 많이 해서 좋은 성적을 내는 것은 아무 의미가 없을 거에요. 왜 좁은 우물에서만 헤엄치려 하는지 모르겠어요. 지금의 나를 알리고 내 연봉을 올리기 위해서는 기회를 더 잡고 게임 한두 판 더 하는 것보다 인터뷰 한 번 더하는 일이 중요하다고 생각해요. 최근 이제동과 이영호가 개인리그에서 우승을 했음에도 불구하고 별다른 외부 활동이 없더라고요. 자신을 알리기 위해 무언가를 하지 않는 느낌이죠. 프로게이머들은 항상 '내가 잘 나갈 때 나와 함께 e스포츠를 알리자'는 의무감을 가져야 해요.
직설적으로 말하면 물론 성적이 연봉 상승에 영향을 주는 것은 맞지만 e스포츠를 모르는 사람에게 나를 알리고 나를 홍보하는 것도 중요한 연봉 상승에 영향을 준다는 사실을 잊지 말았으면 좋겠어요.

서지수=성적을 더 내야 하는 입장인 선수도 있고 인지도를 쌓아야 하는 선수가 있는 것 같아요. 저는 지금 성적을 내야 이슈를 만들 수 있는 위치라고 생각해 요즘 정말 열심히 노력하고 있어요. 최고의 선수는 내가 이슈거리를 어떻게 만들지에 대해 항상 고민해야 할 필요성이 있는 것 같아요.

◆나이도 찼다…결혼은 언제?
데일리e스포츠=최근 사람들을 만나면 결혼은 언제 하냐는 말을 자주 들을 것 같은데.

임요환=지겨워 죽겠어요(웃음). 아무래도 31살이 되다 보니 더욱 그런 말을 자주 하는 것 같아요. 사실 집에서 압박이 더 심해요. 하지만 선수 생활 중에 결혼하는 일에 대해서는 답이 나오지 않아요. 눈 뜨면 게임을 하고 눈 감을 때까지 게임을 하는 선수에게 결혼 생활의 여유가 있을까요? 저는 없다고 생각해요. 저는 스타2가 나올 때도 선수를 계속 할 생각이 있기 때문에 선수에 욕심이 있는 한 결혼 생각은 조금 미뤄두는 것이 맞는 것 같아요.



서지수=예전에는 김가을 감독님께 이 질문이 쏟아졌던 기억이 나요. 그런데 얼마 전 감독님이 결혼을 하신 뒤 그 질문이 저에게 쏟아지더라고요(웃음). 여자는 결혼을 생각할 나이가 남자보다 어리니 지금 나이에 물어보는 것이 어떻게 보면 당연한 것 같기도 해요. 하지만 지금 남자친구도 없고 결혼에 관심이 없어요(웃음). 굉장히 늦게 할 것 같습니다. 결혼이 여자들의 로망일 수도 있지만 이뤄야 할 목표가 있는 여자들에게는 잠시 미뤄둬야 할 일이라고 생각해요.

◆황제-여제 2010년 목표를 말하다
데일리e스포츠=2010년을 맞아 목표를 세운 것이 있을 것 같다.

임요환=사실 얼마 전 개인리그 예선에서 탈락한 뒤 지금 패닉 상태에요. 이런 말을 해도 될지 모르겠는데 이번 예선은 스타크래프트1 프로게이머로서 도전하는 마지막 예선이라고 생각했어요. 그래서 팬들이 보고 싶어 하는 방송마저 거부하면서 예선에 집중했던 것이고요. 이번 설 연휴 때 정말 많은 생각을 통해 올바른 판단을 내려볼 생각입니다. 계속 스타크래프트 게이머를 해야 할지 아니면 새로운 도전을 해야 할지 설 연휴기간이 끝난 뒤 결론이 나 있지 않을까 생각해요. 아직 결론이 난 것은 없어요. 이대로 다시 다음 예선을 참가하게 될 수도 있죠. 어떤 선택을 내리건 저를 믿어주세요. 저에게 해가 되는 선택은 하지 않을 겁니다.

서지수=사실 여제라는 이름이 부담스럽긴 했어요. 혼자 여자다 보니 스포트라이트가 저에게 다 몰리더라고요. 다른 선수가 나타나 관심이 분산됐으면 싶기도 해요(웃음). 하지만 이제는 마음이 편해요. 예쁘게 보이고 싶은 마음도 이젠 없고 정말 성과를 내고 싶다는 생각만 간절해요. 노력은 배신하지 않는다는 사실을 이번 예선을 통해 깨달았어요. 노력한 만큼 결과도 나오고 배우는 점도 많았고요. 지금 저는 연습생이라고 생각해요. 한낮 STX 연습생으로서 더 높은 곳으로 올라가기 위해 최선을 다할 생각입니다.



데일리e스포츠=끝으로 팬들에게 한마디 하자면.
임요환=오랫동안 못 봤던 가족들과 만나 재미나게 놀았으면 좋겠습니다. 떡국 급하게 먹어서 체하지 마시고 건강하게 설 연휴 보내세요. 새해에는 임요환도 달라진 모습으로 돌아오겠습니다.

서지수=떡국 많이 드시고 즐거운 추억 많이 만드세요. 새해 모든 소망이 다 이뤄지길 바랍니다. 파이팅!


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Article and pictures taken from: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=22522
All credit for the original article goes to Daily Esports (dailyesports.com)


I have to say.. they actually kinda look good together

2/25/10
Edit: Here's a little bonus that dailyesports uploaded. Eye candy!

Boxer:
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Tossgirl:
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MisterFailure
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada24 Posts
February 14 2010 06:45 GMT
#2
awesome
Ursadon-n-Pals
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States928 Posts
February 14 2010 06:45 GMT
#3
Awesome. Great read.
The pictures are so cute ^_^
Nothing worth having comes easy.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
February 14 2010 06:47 GMT
#4
Thanks for the translation, this was a nice interview and made (well, repeated) valid points. Too bad (P)Bisu isn't doing well cause im sure (T)BoxeR would be pushing him to do interviews and stuff to help e-sports.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
jambonkingcool
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada186 Posts
February 14 2010 06:49 GMT
#5
boxer's interviews are always interesting to read, I like how he talks about esports
ty for the translation!
Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
February 14 2010 06:50 GMT
#6
Cute. These two are the icons for E-sports.
Blah
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
February 14 2010 06:54 GMT
#7
oh man i thought tossgirl was pregnant in the first pic
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
February 14 2010 06:54 GMT
#8
Emperor hwighting
Long live BroodWar!
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 06:56:48
February 14 2010 06:55 GMT
#9
ToSsGirL: For me, I’m in the mindset that I can cause an issue if I do well, so I’m practicing hard right now.


Please do cause an issue!
Everyone needs a nemesis.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
February 14 2010 06:56 GMT
#10
good, tossgirl's in the interview too.
now i can jizz my pants without feeling gay!
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
February 14 2010 07:00 GMT
#11
These are some of the nicer pictures of Tossgirl I've seen.
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
February 14 2010 07:02 GMT
#12
Reading this just reminds me how lucky Starcraft was to have Boxer as its first real dominating player in terms of professional matches. His work towards getting e-sports recognizing is as important, if not even more important, than just how good he was when he was on top.
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Faranth
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
933 Posts
February 14 2010 07:14 GMT
#13
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[Fin]Vittu
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada507 Posts
February 14 2010 07:18 GMT
#14
On February 14 2010 16:02 maareek wrote:
Reading this just reminds me how lucky Starcraft was to have Boxer as its first real dominating player in terms of professional matches. His work towards getting e-sports recognizing is as important, if not even more important, than just how good he was when he was on top.



so true, he should deserve two bonjwa titles. one for dominating and the other for making esports what it is today.
The "Finnish Metal Terran"
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
February 14 2010 07:24 GMT
#15
Boxer is such a sexy beast D:
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
February 14 2010 07:26 GMT
#16
Thanks for the translation

Great interview
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
Cokephone
Profile Joined August 2009
United States27 Posts
February 14 2010 07:27 GMT
#17
...Clearly, Boxer and Tossgirl are going to be wed when the moment is right. It's destiny.
ITS CALLED HOLD POSITION, BRO!
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
February 14 2010 07:28 GMT
#18
Damn when I saw the "Boxer and Tossgirl Inter..." on the side bar, I thought of that...
ed21x
Profile Joined January 2010
United States103 Posts
February 14 2010 07:29 GMT
#19
I love how boxer is always trying to advance the sport. Tossgirl shouldn't be allowed to be interviewed as an equal to Boxer. Only Nada, Oov, Yellow, Julyzerg, Reach, Flash, and Jaedong should be given that honor.
a little dab will do ya
dyren
Profile Joined December 2009
United States260 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 07:33:04
February 14 2010 07:32 GMT
#20
On February 14 2010 16:28 LunarDestiny wrote:
Damn when I saw the "Boxer and Tossgirl Inter..." on the side bar, I thought of that...

^LOL

Thanks for the translation, I agree the pictures are fantastic!
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
February 14 2010 07:33 GMT
#21
wow the photos are really well done

they look so great together, boxer's such a goddamn baller
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
February 14 2010 07:37 GMT
#22
Boxer pwning current top players for not building e-sports, and mulling his chances to once again prove his genius a 2nd time with a new SC game. Nice.
Crazazyasian1337
Profile Joined October 2009
United States362 Posts
February 14 2010 07:39 GMT
#23
I thought the question about them getting married about about them getting married to each other and my mind was blown for a couple seconds
;)))))))))
buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
February 14 2010 07:51 GMT
#24
is it just me or do they look good together. and i don't know if it's the translation, but they sound compatible.
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
February 14 2010 07:59 GMT
#25
I'm impressed of the bold statement and understanding that BoxeR has and knows about what's going on with esports. It seems it's pretty much him and perhaps a slight few who actually understand among progamers of what it meant to be to raise the bar..... Overall, this is why I still respect BoxeR and consider him my Emperor and my favorite player among all time. (Along with the other ex-bonjwas.... no, Bisu don't count)

And good job with the translations!! Thanks!
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
February 14 2010 08:15 GMT
#26
Thanks for the translation. Getting old sounds depressing.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 14 2010 08:18 GMT
#27
Boxer for SC2 Bonjwa.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
ramen-
Profile Joined September 2009
90 Posts
February 14 2010 08:33 GMT
#28
Thanks for the translation!
Hirmu
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Finland850 Posts
February 14 2010 08:35 GMT
#29
Thanks so much for translating this! Was an awesome interview!
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
February 14 2010 08:43 GMT
#30
nice interview and awesome pics!
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
wfoperational
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States143 Posts
February 14 2010 10:09 GMT
#31
Thanks for the interesting article, looks like Boxer is genuinely concerned with the future of eSports in general.
Btw, this picture... here, Boxer's face just makes me sad
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We don't have much time left, Jaedong, Flash, and everyone else needs to get their stuff together to promote esports out of this niche market
╮(╯▽╰)╭ wfbrood.com website admin 日本著名中锋赤木刚宪曾表示,控制篮板球的人,就控制了全场
Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
February 14 2010 10:12 GMT
#32
Nice read. Thanks for the translation. I share BoxeR's outlook on promoting eSports.

Tossgirl looks stunning as ever.
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
February 14 2010 10:22 GMT
#33
interesting read, words of wisdom from the Man as usual, i like how he criticise how short-sighted and how players couldn't look at what they do at a broader perspective, then again looking at the average age of progamers in general u couldn't really blame them for not being as mature as old school progamers, the key imo lies with the old school players to take the role of management and advertisement...

with SC2 so close one can only wonder what the future holds for E-Sports...
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 14 2010 10:26 GMT
#34
I hate to say this tossgirl, but nobody is expecting anything out of you :/
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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
February 14 2010 10:34 GMT
#35
lol, wtf, all these questions are about getting old and marriage.

This is such a funny interview to think about. They finally get them together and these are the kind of questions they ask? Korea is silly sometimes!

Thank you for this, good to see them in the same interview for once :D
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
February 14 2010 11:03 GMT
#36
On February 14 2010 16:29 ed21x wrote:
I love how boxer is always trying to advance the sport. Tossgirl shouldn't be allowed to be interviewed as an equal to Boxer. Only Nada, Oov, Yellow, Julyzerg, Reach, Flash, and Jaedong should be given that honor.


dude, comparatively, tossgirl was way more dominant than any male has ever been. so chill out.


also: Koreans have some pretty stringent rules when it comes to appearance. I don't see how either of them could be considered old, much less wrinkly, LoL
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7800 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 11:17:46
February 14 2010 11:16 GMT
#37
I know I can't be the only one who kind of feels like Boxer's interviews are a bit annoying nowadays. It feels like because esports aren't going the way HE thinks they should that they must obviously be going the wrong way. I agree that there's some things that could be different, like player personalities and attitudes about what's important, but the games themselves (imo) keep getting more and more interesting/deeper and with Jaedong and Flash playing at such a high level it seems strange to say (edit: imply) esports is in trouble.

In this interview he was more tame in his message, but his last one irked me a bit. He is the emperor, but at the same time he's pretty much exclusively a player coach there for experience and moral. I don't think he should tell players who are at the top of the scene that they aren't as great as he was at his peak just because they have different priorities and grew up in a different esports culture (one much more established and controlled than the one Boxer grew up in.)

Not trying to disrespect Boxer, I'm just giving my two cents about his esports opinion.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
February 14 2010 11:31 GMT
#38
On February 14 2010 16:28 LunarDestiny wrote:
Damn when I saw the "Boxer and Tossgirl Inter..." on the side bar, I thought of that...

...lol
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 11:41:19
February 14 2010 11:31 GMT
#39
On February 14 2010 20:16 Vasoline73 wrote:
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I know I can't be the only one who kind of feels like Boxer's interviews are a bit annoying nowadays. It feels like because esports aren't going the way HE thinks they should that they must obviously be going the wrong way. I agree that there's some things that could be different, like player personalities and attitudes about what's important, but the games themselves (imo) keep getting more and more interesting/deeper and with Jaedong and Flash playing at such a high level it seems strange to say (edit: imply) esports is in trouble.

In this interview he was more tame in his message, but his last one irked me a bit. He is the emperor, but at the same time he's pretty much exclusively a player coach there for experience and moral. I don't think he should tell players who are at the top of the scene that they aren't as great as he was at his peak just because they have different priorities and grew up in a different esports culture (one much more established and controlled than the one Boxer grew up in.)

Not trying to disrespect Boxer, I'm just giving my two cents about his esports opinion.


Totally agree. This interview actually made me think he was being a wanker. It shouldn't be up to over-worked 16 and 18yo's to promote the industry. That's what managers and professional PR ppl are for. I'm amazed on the one hand fans, interviewers and Boxer himself can give himself a big hearty pat on the back for promoting e-sports and then in the next breath say the scene is in trouble and dying. Talk about having it both ways.

I can’t keep this spot forever. But honestly, this is a really good thing for me. The fact that a lot of places call me up for things is still important for my self-advertisement.


This made me feel like he's becoming an attention-whore.

Possibly some things are lost in translation but I totally agree with you man, esports is healthier than ever and you get the distinct impression from his criticism of the scene, his bemoaning replays becoming available, his complaints about his health and his general feeling that esports is less popular (which according to Mr Hoon isn't true given audience numbers) that Boxer is just annoyed he is no longer a youthful twenty-something SC God.

Tossgirl:
I think there are players who need better numbers, and those who need more fame.

This. Humble and more objective.
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torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
February 14 2010 11:41 GMT
#40
Boxer: Honestly, after I dropped out of the preliminaries, I’m in a panic mode. I don’t know if I can say this, but I thought this would be the last preliminary that I would attempt as a SC1 player. Therefore, I refused to televise my matches in order to focus despite the fact that a lot of fans wanted to see me.


I remeber ppl complaining on MBC for not televising his matches and now we find the answer to why they were not televised
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 14 2010 12:03 GMT
#41
On February 14 2010 20:16 Vasoline73 wrote:
I know I can't be the only one who kind of feels like Boxer's interviews are a bit annoying nowadays. It feels like because esports aren't going the way HE thinks they should that they must obviously be going the wrong way. I agree that there's some things that could be different, like player personalities and attitudes about what's important, but the games themselves (imo) keep getting more and more interesting/deeper and with Jaedong and Flash playing at such a high level it seems strange to say (edit: imply) esports is in trouble.

In this interview he was more tame in his message, but his last one irked me a bit. He is the emperor, but at the same time he's pretty much exclusively a player coach there for experience and moral. I don't think he should tell players who are at the top of the scene that they aren't as great as he was at his peak just because they have different priorities and grew up in a different esports culture (one much more established and controlled than the one Boxer grew up in.)

Not trying to disrespect Boxer, I'm just giving my two cents about his esports opinion.

I somewhat agree. I feel like he is somewhat hypocritical in his criticism of Flash/Jaedong. He is still the leader in esports and thus could probably be doing more from where he is sitting about furthering esports rather than just complaining about the situation in many interviews - that strategy clearly hasn't gotten through to those at the top. Perhaps that because they grew up in a world without an esports icon as the #1 player they don't know how to act like champions, I don't know. But Boxer's concerns are definitely valid imo.
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KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 12:22:40
February 14 2010 12:18 GMT
#42
Boxer's not saying anything about Flash and JD not being as great as he was at his peak. He's talking about their commitment towards really going out there and spreading the SC scene. I mean, when Boxer was on top he didn't become so incredibly famous for no reason whatsoever. Of course the times were different then in many ways but he still put himself out there a whole lot. Can guys like Flash and JD say the same thing?

"We need to put more sense of duty for the rank 1 player. Rather than people simply saying “I want to play as well as him”, there needs to be someone who can act as a role model for progamers and life, but it’s a problem that I’m still in that spot. It’s a good thing to be acting as a role-model for people, but there can’t only be 1. More people with different styles should represent e-sports, and that way, e-sports will become more in depth."


Wisdom. It really is worrying that Boxer still gets called up all the time for these things. Why isn't e.g. JD asked instead? Maybe it's not really JD's fault, but you've gotta wonder if there's some lack of effort there..? I dunno...I suppose a big part of the problem is that the schedule for the gamers is way too packed right now so they just don't have time. Kespa really should do something to change the schedule.

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Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
February 14 2010 12:24 GMT
#43
rofl at the pictures
Made them look like two retirees

Next thing BoXer and TossGirl are talking about diseases and medications, reading newspaper and complaining about kids making too much noise in their early thirties :p
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
February 14 2010 12:30 GMT
#44
Gets called up for what exactly? Being the old man of a game is like being an elder statesmen in politics. You get that treatment because you're a veteran. People aren't asking JD or Flash or anyone else because they're still in their prime, being progamers and doing their time.

Also, JD and Flash recently did that ultra long interview and I've seen interviews with Stork and Bisu when they were walking around those shops/market. The top gamers do take time out of their busy schedule to promote themselves and by the same token, the scene.

Boxer did alot of promotion for esports but also for himself. Not everyone is as extroverted and a showman as he is sure. But partly it's because he's the oldest current progamer and he's still playing the game - sc and the game of being a spokesman.
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RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
February 14 2010 12:49 GMT
#45
Boxer just said what I had been thinking! The top players like Flash Jaedong and Bisu etc need to help spread ans grow e-sports. Boxer did so much for e-sports while he was #1 but the new guys just play their games and don't think much beyond that. The fact that they can live that lifestyle is largely thanks to Boxer and they need to do the same for others, including themselves.
Redshirt
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
434 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 13:24:53
February 14 2010 13:13 GMT
#46
On February 14 2010 21:49 ViruX wrote:
Boxer just said what I had been thinking! The top players like Flash Jaedong and Bisu etc need to help spread ans grow e-sports. Boxer did so much for e-sports while he was #1 but the new guys just play their games and don't think much beyond that. The fact that they can live that lifestyle is largely thanks to Boxer and they need to do the same for others, including themselves.


lol how. Bisu is practically a sociophobe and Flash/Jaedong are basically any other teenager interested in progaming. You can't tell any random guy to become the president of his country when he's got no charisma to begin with.

Realtalk here. The guy doing the best job right now is probably Stork as his interviews, while show that he's basically a nerd like the rest of them, are a whole lot more interesting and personal. Flash's and Jaedong's interviews (and hell gameplay) seem to have an aura of pretence and its probably due to the standards their fans expect from them.

Jaedong or Flash can't say "Kwanro is so shit that he can only all in like a noob" or similar stuff that makes the whole scene more interesting because they'll simply be ripped apart by the fans; even smaller (IMO) things like Flash choosing to cheese Jaedong instead of fighting a long macro game produced an amazing amount of venom from not only the Korean scene but the foreign scene.

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bao235
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway97 Posts
February 14 2010 13:21 GMT
#47
Awesome interview! Thanks for the translation.

My impression is that the crowd at the grand finals has been getting smaller over the last few years, which could be a sign that E-Sport is declining. Just by watching the videos of the grand finals from maybe 5 years ago and this year, we can see that the crowd is significantly bigger in the past.
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TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
February 14 2010 13:39 GMT
#48
Nice interview, I can't wait to see Boxer playing SC2.
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
February 14 2010 14:11 GMT
#49
People who want to spend their life playing a video game are either short-sighted idiots or asocial weirdos, and there's nothing Boxer can do about that.

It's like people criticizing Idra for being a nerd's parody, but then again, who would accept to quit high school/college to spend his youth playing Starcraft as a B teamer in a country where he can't understand any word of what people are saying around him.

It's not a mistery if Nony, Ret, Draco ran away after a while, it's because they're pretty normal.

And Boxer is not an exception to the rule, he is now older and stopped playing as seriously as before, but I'm pretty sure that when he was a kid playing at the CyberCafe all day, he wasn't the kind of guy thinking at "promoting E-Sports" through TV shows.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
February 14 2010 14:19 GMT
#50
On February 14 2010 23:11 TeWy wrote:
People who want to spend their life playing a video game are either short-sighted idiots or asocial weirdos, and there's nothing Boxer can do about that.

It's like people criticizing Idra for being a nerd's parody, but then again, who would accept to quit high school/college to spend his youth playing Starcraft as a B teamer in a country where he can't understand any word of what people are saying around him.

It's not a mistery if Nony, Ret, Draco ran away after a while, it's because they're pretty normal.

And Boxer is not an exception to the rule, he is now older and stopped playing as seriously as before, but I'm pretty sure that when he was a kid playing at the CyberCafe all day, he wasn't the kind of guy thinking at "promoting E-Sports" through TV shows.


Normal? Normal by Western standards maybe.
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 14:34:02
February 14 2010 14:33 GMT
#51
On February 14 2010 23:11 TeWy wrote:

And Boxer is not an exception to the rule, he is now older and stopped playing as seriously as before, but I'm pretty sure that when he was a kid playing at the CyberCafe all day, he wasn't the kind of guy thinking at "promoting E-Sports" through TV shows.


You should know your Boxer history ...

Also Tossgirl & Boxer would make a cute couple @_@
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 14:35:31
February 14 2010 14:34 GMT
#52
I nominate Stork for Nerdy E-Sports Promoter in Chief. Who's with me?

Also, I find it kind of odd that the interviewee and Boxer keep talking about how he's so much weaker now, and he's aging, when he's only thirty years old. I mean, he's hardly an "old man" yet, by any standards, yet everyone seems to think and talk about as if he were one. It's crazy.

As for Tossgirl, all I can say is: concerning Korean netizens who criticize her personal appearance, call her fat, etc, I think I speak for foreign fans everywhere when I say...

BURN THEM!

*ahem*

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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
February 14 2010 15:09 GMT
#53
Awesome interview !
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
February 14 2010 15:19 GMT
#54
1st off, great contribution and translation;
2nd off, I don't think a lot of people who made negative comments about Boxer, really understand what he is trying to say because you may not know the real significance of what is behind it.

In many respects, e-sports phenomia in Korea had peaked by about 2002 in terms of mainstream society excitement, of course e-sports has become more professional (by a huge magin), player well managed, better paid, more professional coverage, but it has also become stagnent as well.

When you say 'e-sports' in Korea, its really a bullshit term, cause all it really means is 'Starcraft'; because while the TV stations try to fill up the airtime with other games like 'Sudden strike', it has no comparison it terms of viewership and money than Starcraft.

It's like, whatever e-sports could have meant, never really hit its potential, instead the managers all sold out on their long term investments on their teams and the corporate sponsors got a very loyal and clear target market group for their products. Whenever there is a foreign interview for e-sports, its gonna be boxer who they still contact and then with some further investigation, maybe Yellow (but he old too), and even older Koreans, they do still think Boxer is #1, because the mainstream interest has completely faded, EVEN THOUGH, its at its strongest position in terms of stablity, professional standard, play and money.

Whatever reasons for it, the failure or sabotage of WC3 progaming in Korea, or that no other game was comparable to SC for its competitiveness, playability and spectatorship, SC was like World Cup football and Olymipic short track; something that would grip the entire country, but it hasn't been like that for a long time now.

It's like Korea has been waiting for SC2 forever and forever, and we all have gotten lazy, putting all the future potential of e-sports on SC2, but otherwise being really happy with SC which is like how old now (like 12?). Boxer ain't saying, I'm the best, and the current guys should be like me, he wasn't an extroverted guy when he was young, but he took on the responsbility and became the face of SC, he practiced like no one else's business first and STILL DID up until recently (just cause age has caught up to him) but he practiced like a mofo. At that time, there weren't big bonus for winning streaks or stable salaries, but now that there is, it's like growing e-sports is more about ensuring that there are professional regulations/policies in place as well as ensure teams perform well and are incentived appropriately, which is nothing wrong, except that it is missing the big picture of what 'e-sports' still can be. wah wah, thats life right? but seriously, SC and the term e-sports once was so important it was the agenda for the minsitry of culture and tourism on a daily basis.

I reckon, that Boxer, he is waiting to see what kind of effect SC2 has on Korea, will it grip Korea like SC did,will there be the potential of national heros who will play international world matches aside for from the predictable outcome of WCG with real international contenders like how Giyom was back in the day?

I dont' think that Boxer even knows what he expects SC2 to bring or what e-sports will become, but as someone who was a part of the industry when Battle Top was running regional qualifiers and WCG just launched, I remember the craziness and the thrill of that time and also what we envisioned what e-sports was going to be end of being; I don't think we concluded it would be just SC and ensure that players could live a professional career. Of course, its really really amazing how far we've come in Korea, but I'm sure in Boxer's mind and mine as well, I think it was meant to be something more than just this and it would be nice if the top players nowadays could hope for that too.



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keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 16:20:26
February 14 2010 16:01 GMT
#55
Boxer: It’s starting to annoy me (laughs). The fact that I’m 31 years old makes people question that more. Honestly, my family pressures me a lot more than the public. However, marriage in midst of being a player doesn’t really cut through for me. For a person who plays games while his eyes are open until his eyes are shut, is there a luxury of marriage? I don’t think so. Even when SC2 comes out, I plan to be a player, so due to my greed of being a player, I think it’s right to push back my marriage.

The Greatest.

It is not Flash and JDs responsibility to drive esports. They are talent, its up to the administration and promoters to take it to the next step. It's not like they are avoiding everything to practice, its just that the promotional ideas are bad. The crowds were probably bigger than because esports was new and exciting. A combination of losing some pizazz through time and play evolving to favor the mechanically strong player has certainly eroded some of the marketing opportunities. Notice how I said marketing opportunities and not boring game play.
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Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
February 14 2010 16:14 GMT
#56
Aw, such a nice couple, they should marry. Judging from the interviews and pictures, Tossgirl won't mind it.
Sc2ggRise
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States607 Posts
February 14 2010 16:25 GMT
#57
i was hoping for some more of these..

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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
February 14 2010 16:54 GMT
#58
Cute read, I like all the emperor/empress references
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
February 14 2010 17:05 GMT
#59
On February 15 2010 00:19 MightyAtom wrote:
1st off, great contribution and translation;
2nd off, I don't think a lot of people who made negative comments about Boxer, really understand what he is trying to say because you may not know the real significance of what is behind it.

In many respects, e-sports phenomia in Korea had peaked by about 2002 in terms of mainstream society excitement, of course e-sports has become more professional (by a huge magin), player well managed, better paid, more professional coverage, but it has also become stagnent as well.

When you say 'e-sports' in Korea, its really a bullshit term, cause all it really means is 'Starcraft'; because while the TV stations try to fill up the airtime with other games like 'Sudden strike', it has no comparison it terms of viewership and money than Starcraft.

It's like, whatever e-sports could have meant, never really hit its potential, instead the managers all sold out on their long term investments on their teams and the corporate sponsors got a very loyal and clear target market group for their products. Whenever there is a foreign interview for e-sports, its gonna be boxer who they still contact and then with some further investigation, maybe Yellow (but he old too), and even older Koreans, they do still think Boxer is #1, because the mainstream interest has completely faded, EVEN THOUGH, its at its strongest position in terms of stablity, professional standard, play and money.

Whatever reasons for it, the failure or sabotage of WC3 progaming in Korea, or that no other game was comparable to SC for its competitiveness, playability and spectatorship, SC was like World Cup football and Olymipic short track; something that would grip the entire country, but it hasn't been like that for a long time now.

It's like Korea has been waiting for SC2 forever and forever, and we all have gotten lazy, putting all the future potential of e-sports on SC2, but otherwise being really happy with SC which is like how old now (like 12?). Boxer ain't saying, I'm the best, and the current guys should be like me, he wasn't an extroverted guy when he was young, but he took on the responsbility and became the face of SC, he practiced like no one else's business first and STILL DID up until recently (just cause age has caught up to him) but he practiced like a mofo. At that time, there weren't big bonus for winning streaks or stable salaries, but now that there is, it's like growing e-sports is more about ensuring that there are professional regulations/policies in place as well as ensure teams perform well and are incentived appropriately, which is nothing wrong, except that it is missing the big picture of what 'e-sports' still can be. wah wah, thats life right? but seriously, SC and the term e-sports once was so important it was the agenda for the minsitry of culture and tourism on a daily basis.

I reckon, that Boxer, he is waiting to see what kind of effect SC2 has on Korea, will it grip Korea like SC did,will there be the potential of national heros who will play international world matches aside for from the predictable outcome of WCG with real international contenders like how Giyom was back in the day?

I dont' think that Boxer even knows what he expects SC2 to bring or what e-sports will become, but as someone who was a part of the industry when Battle Top was running regional qualifiers and WCG just launched, I remember the craziness and the thrill of that time and also what we envisioned what e-sports was going to be end of being; I don't think we concluded it would be just SC and ensure that players could live a professional career. Of course, its really really amazing how far we've come in Korea, but I'm sure in Boxer's mind and mine as well, I think it was meant to be something more than just this and it would be nice if the top players nowadays could hope for that too.





2002? You think the FIFA World Cup might have something to do with it?
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wo0py
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Netherlands922 Posts
February 14 2010 17:07 GMT
#60
this is so lovely! they seem really nice people.
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
February 14 2010 17:10 GMT
#61
(T)ToSsGirL, who continues to try her best as the ‘empress’ are perhaps the biggest pillars of e-sports

Almost stopped reading xD
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 18:04:33
February 14 2010 17:50 GMT
#62
Great interview! Gave quite a bit of insights into the lives of the players and starcraft industry.

As the king of the 1st generation, champion of the 2nd and a faded legend in the 3rd generation, Boxer experienced both the high and low of e-sport industry. He experienced the "high point" of e-sport, the point in which the imagination of the mainstream was captured by this video game. He was one of the primary reasons why the mainstream's attention was captured and he dreamed like the rest during that period of glory just what "e-sport would become if this level of attention persists". Sadly, the attention faded away just like any fad, to Boxer's disappointment, hence he is "bitching" about the decline of e-sport. Those of us who followed e-sport only recently perceives the current industry as in "fine shape". To Boxer, who experienced the peak glory of the mainstream attention, the current e-sport industry is pretty trashy, as its current audience is limited. I bet majority of the old fans who followed e-sports back in the days have stopped paying attention.

During his prime, Boxer experienced first hand just what active media appearance and giving out interviews with personality could do to promote an industry. The current generations lacks that, a champion who is willing to reach out to the mainstream. He understand what brought SC into the eyes of the public years ago, and he wants that attention back. The thing is, it isn't going to happen.

So...let's wait for SC2 and see what heavenly or hellish news it shall bring with it.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
February 14 2010 17:55 GMT
#63
is tossgirl's mentality typical of most korean girls? it'd explain why their birth rate is so low
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Chunkybuddha
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada347 Posts
February 14 2010 18:17 GMT
#64
Those two had to have sex before...
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stack
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada348 Posts
February 14 2010 18:20 GMT
#65
On February 15 2010 02:55 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
is tossgirl's mentality typical of most korean girls? it'd explain why their birth rate is so low

said it perfectly.
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Newpostblog
Profile Joined February 2010
Afghanistan14 Posts
February 14 2010 18:27 GMT
#66
Boxer so sexxxxy. Wait, sorry, I meant Tossgirl. Really.
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
February 14 2010 18:50 GMT
#67
On February 14 2010 16:32 dyren wrote:
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On February 14 2010 16:28 LunarDestiny wrote:
Damn when I saw the "Boxer and Tossgirl Inter..." on the side bar, I thought of that...

^LOL

Thanks for the translation, I agree the pictures are fantastic!


ROFL funny thoughts
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
February 14 2010 19:09 GMT
#68
I can't be bothered finding the link right now (tsl starting!) but i believe Mr Hoon posted in the last Boxer interview something along the lines of:
During the Boxer/Yellow finals audience share was like 1.5% During the recent Hyuk MSL run audience share was also this high.
And then there was another figure for the JD/Flash qf's but i forget the numbers. He also pointed out the vastly increased number of games played now to explain lower audiences at PL games. And also that studio's have moved to a harder to get to/less pop dense area?
Anyway this pretty much put paid to the suggestion that esports was dying or sick in my mind
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Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 19:52:04
February 14 2010 19:51 GMT
#69
Even when SC2 comes out, I plan to be a player,


I was expecting everyone to jump at this. Or is it old news?

EDIT: Oh, wait missed that there were more than one page in the thread.
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
February 14 2010 20:36 GMT
#70
Boxer tells it like it is. Top players need to take over the reigns from him and realize that their future depends on e-sport' popularity, which means they need to be out there for publicity and example and maybe practice an hour or two less a day.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
February 14 2010 20:42 GMT
#71
Thanks so much for the translation - It's interesting to read what they say about eachother.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
February 14 2010 20:46 GMT
#72
ty for translating

i'm curious if boxer will really transition into sc2.
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
February 14 2010 21:00 GMT
#73
Tossgirl bashers get so old. Yes, she isn't nearly as good as the real S and most of A ranks but you can tell she really loves the game and is passionate about what she does. Why take it away from her?
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
February 14 2010 21:06 GMT
#74
On February 15 2010 06:00 KissBlade wrote:
Tossgirl bashers get so old. Yes, she isn't nearly as good as the real S and most of A ranks but you can tell she really loves the game and is passionate about what she does. Why take it away from her?

The main reason she gets so much bashing is because she loses to B-teamers, yet gets more airtime/attention than most A players (due to being a girl). No personal opinions btw, just the way she's seen. That said, I really hope she makes a comeback someday.
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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 21:53:21
February 14 2010 21:52 GMT
#75
ahh they look so cute together
great read, thank you for the translation
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Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
February 14 2010 21:53 GMT
#76
Honestly, Boxer needs to start meeting people. He's getting older and needs to have relationships outside of Starcraft..
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ed21x
Profile Joined January 2010
United States103 Posts
February 15 2010 01:05 GMT
#77
Boxer is famous, rich, charismatic, and good looking, not to mention legendary in what he has done in and for e-sports. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that he's probably doing fine socially. It's not just boxer, but other progamers interviewed have all acknowledged that esports has been in decline for quite a while now, and was at its height when Boxer was its charismatic ace. While we can't expect people to always be as extroverted and charismatic as he is, the top players of this time (Jaedong, Flash, etc...) have the responsibility to represent the sport they're in. It's absolutely reasonable to expect top athletes in any sport to give interviews and try to promote the sport as a whole.

The UFC started becoming mainstream when Dana White forced his fighters to give on-air interviews that dispelled many of the stereotypes casual observers had of the sport back when it was first coming onto the scene. key to any fanbase are players that fans can connect/identify with.
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
February 15 2010 01:14 GMT
#78
Shit, I might have to start shipping boxgirl now.

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Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States346 Posts
February 15 2010 08:39 GMT
#79
Updated OP with more pictures from this event towards the bottom
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
February 15 2010 12:16 GMT
#80
Boxer is wearing a couple ring. He's taken.

*cry in a dark corner*

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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
February 15 2010 14:27 GMT
#81
He going out with a much older chick lol

and I don't think the 2002 world cup actual affected popularity of SC, while nothing to blame, it got more corporate and focused and lost some of its bigger dreams; i guess..
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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
February 15 2010 14:34 GMT
#82
Boxer is sexxyyyy
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 15 2010 15:54 GMT
#83
I'm so jealous @ Tossgirl putting beside Boxer.

Anyway although she is still single, but she is in her mid 20's. So I believe she is not a virgin anymore.

I am kinda thinking....

Who?? When?? Where??
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Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
February 15 2010 16:05 GMT
#84
On February 16 2010 00:54 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
I'm so jealous @ Tossgirl putting beside Boxer.

Anyway although she is still single, but she is in her mid 20's. So I believe she is not a virgin anymore.

I am kinda thinking....

Who?? When?? Where??


What the hell is this.
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Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
February 15 2010 16:47 GMT
#85
On February 16 2010 01:05 Funnytoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 00:54 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
I'm so jealous @ Tossgirl putting beside Boxer.

Anyway although she is still single, but she is in her mid 20's. So I believe she is not a virgin anymore.

I am kinda thinking....

Who?? When?? Where??


What the hell is this.

Looks like a legit post on-topic to me
ArchoN[VenoM]
Profile Joined January 2010
United States90 Posts
February 15 2010 21:17 GMT
#86
Great interview. great translation. Boxer and ToSSgirl need to hook up!
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TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
February 15 2010 21:31 GMT
#87
On February 14 2010 15:54 Simple wrote:
oh man i thought tossgirl was pregnant in the first pic

rofl?
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RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 04:11:07
March 16 2010 03:18 GMT
#88
Lol i got into sc because of FBH!!! WOOO rofl.


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JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
March 16 2010 03:24 GMT
#89
On February 16 2010 00:54 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
I'm so jealous @ Tossgirl putting beside Boxer.

Anyway although she is still single, but she is in her mid 20's. So I believe she is not a virgin anymore.

I am kinda thinking....

Who?? When?? Where??

It was me
If you have to ask, you don't know.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
March 16 2010 03:30 GMT
#90
Darn Boxer
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 16 2010 03:46 GMT
#91
On February 14 2010 17:18 Kenpachi wrote:
Boxer for SC2 Bonjwa.

Harpy Barthday!
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
March 16 2010 03:51 GMT
#92
On March 16 2010 12:18 MarineHeroSamKhan wrote:
Lol i got into sc because of FBH!!! WOOO rofl.

lol wtf he bumps a boxer/tossgirl interview thread with "i got into sc because of fbh"
Nony is Bonjwa
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
March 16 2010 04:05 GMT
#93
What Boxer is saying would be obvious to any professional in a mainstream sport, but yeah it is kinda much to ask of teenagers playing video games. But marketing himself and being a role model is the kind of thing we should expect from number 1 players if we do want esports to be taken seriously/get more sponsors.
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
March 16 2010 04:08 GMT
#94
lol boxer is such a champ, love the guy to death
LLXC
Profile Joined September 2009
United States125 Posts
March 16 2010 04:18 GMT
#95
Boxer was a huge fan favorite because of the things he did (invented) in SC. Nowadays, everything has pretty much been figured out and is simply done by the book. How often do you see the crowd going absolutely crazy over what a SC player does in a game? Much more rare now...
LLXC
Profile Joined September 2009
United States125 Posts
March 16 2010 04:19 GMT
#96
Maybe he wants JD/Flash to do more crazy stuff? I sure do.
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