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MisterKatosS
France352 Posts
improve muta size from small to medium (that one would really balance pvz) then goons would be better against them but same against m&m's reduce slightly air damage of gols (they would not be too powerfull against muta) maybe slightly improve tank siege/unsiege time that's all sorry for my english cya | ||
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IcarusFalls
Canada94 Posts
k that would effect muta vs turret muta vs goliath muta vs goon muta vs cannon muta vs sair muta vs valk... think again :D | ||
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MisterKatosS
France352 Posts
mmm i think we still can think about it | ||
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Yarertz
Djibouti1891 Posts
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
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Yarertz
Djibouti1891 Posts
and stop saying that "on pro-level micro.... sth" fuck this u will "never" reach pro-level micro/macro etc. | ||
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IcarusFalls
Canada94 Posts
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28706 Posts
 tho, it would make reaver+goon really good in pvz. but probably too good.  also, the only way you could change devourers to balance pvz isle would be letting zerg get devourers faster. (because after you have devourers, zerg air starts to beat toss air costwise. ) like you could make it possible to morph a greater spire without a hive but with a queens nest, but that would make guardian rushes too strong. -.- and if you say you'd need a hive for guardian but not devourer then well guardians would still appear at about the same time cause you could just start greater spire and hive morph at the same time. :E | ||
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CrazedZergling .
United States13 Posts
It would probably be better though if devourers were 125/50, or available at Lair with a small Aspect upgrade to the normal lair, like 50/100. That would give the Zerg player a fair midgame on Islands. | ||
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IcarusFalls
Canada94 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
7: scarab 20: peons, colonies, archons, interceptor 24: marine, firebat 28: zergling, hydralisk 30: pylon, battery, bunker, turret, vulture, medic, scourge, observatory, robotics support bay 40: farms (except pylon), zealot, geyser buildings, evo. chamber, forge, addons (except nuclear silo), hydralisk den, lurker, infested terran, mutalisk forms, corsair, goliath, nydus canal, observer 50: photon cannon, dragoon, siege tank, templars, queen, dropship, valkyrie, defiler, ghost 60: gateway, e.bay, cyber. core, citadel, queen nest, t. archives, shuttle, wraith, defiler mound, ultralisk, fleet beacon, arbiter tribunal, science facility 70: stargate, reaver, starport 80: burrow, spawning pool, barracks, academy, stim pack, restoration, robotics facility, factory, scout, spider mines, siege mode, armory, spawn broodling, ensnare, disruption web, science vessel, irradiate, nuclear silo, personnel cloaking, ultralisk cavern, hallucination 100: metabolic boost, lair, muscular augments, grooved spines, u-238 shells, maelstrom, ion thrusters, cloaking field (wraith), adrenal glands, plague, carrier capacity, stasis, lockdown, nuclear missile 120: halls, optical flare, lurker aspect, spires, psionic storm, mind control, feedback, hive, emp shockwave, yamato cannon, recall 133: antennae (overlord sight), pneumatized carapace (overlord speed), zealot upgrade, goliath upgrade, observer upgrades, ultralisk upgrades 140: carrier 160: arbiter, ventral sacs (overlord transport) 166: singularity charge (dragoon range), robotics upgrades, energy upgrades, ocular implants (ghost sight), scout upgrades 266: level 1 upgrades 298: level 2 upgrades 330: level 3 upgrades | ||
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CrazedZergling .
United States13 Posts
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IcarusFalls
Canada94 Posts
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IcarusFalls
Canada94 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
On February 18 2004 11:44 stimey d okgm fish wrote: build times (bw 1.10) 7: scarab 20: peons, colonies, archons, interceptor 24: marine, firebat 28: zergling, hydralisk 30: pylon, battery, bunker, turret, vulture, medic, scourge, observatory, robotics support bay 40: farms (except pylon), zealot, geyser buildings, evo. chamber, forge, addons (except nuclear silo), hydralisk den, lurker, infested terran, mutalisk forms, corsair, goliath, nydus canal, observer 50: photon cannon, dragoon, siege tank, templars, queen, dropship, valkyrie, defiler, ghost 60: gateway, e.bay, cyber. core, citadel, queen nest, t. archives, shuttle, wraith, defiler mound, ultralisk, fleet beacon, arbiter tribunal, science facility 70: stargate, reaver, starport 80: burrow, spawning pool, barracks, academy, stim pack, restoration, robotics facility, factory, scout, spider mines, siege mode, armory, spawn broodling, ensnare, disruption web, science vessel, irradiate, nuclear silo, personnel cloaking, ultralisk cavern, hallucination 100: metabolic boost, lair, muscular augments, grooved spines, u-238 shells, maelstrom, ion thrusters, cloaking field (wraith), adrenal glands, plague, carrier capacity, stasis, lockdown, nuclear missile 120: halls, optical flare, lurker aspect, spires, psionic storm, mind control, feedback, hive, emp shockwave, yamato cannon, recall 133: antennae (overlord sight), pneumatized carapace (overlord speed), zealot upgrade, goliath upgrade, observer upgrades, ultralisk upgrades 140: carrier 160: arbiter, ventral sacs (overlord transport) 166: singularity charge (dragoon range), robotics upgrades, energy upgrades, ocular implants (ghost sight), scout upgrades 266: level 1 upgrades 298: level 2 upgrades 330: level 3 upgrades Nice, but you missed Battlecruiser (133). You also don't have to research Feedback. What is "Halls" under 120? Edit: I presume you meant Halls to be Hatchery =) | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
halls = hatchery, nexus, command center, i.e. town hall and great hall in war2 i.e. peons meaning peasants, scvs, drones, probes, and peons. | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
The only players in the world that make TvZ "imbalanced" are BoxeR/NaDa/ILoveoov/XellOs etc. Even then there are a lot of other factors to explain Terran players winning. Such as Zerg not taking advantage of all of their capabilities (need to use Queens/Drop/Hive Tech more). All that really needs to be looked at is stuff that has been shown time and time again to be imbalanced, which is PvZ island and ZvP land. Since Protoss players are getting better at killing Lurkers I don't think that's that big of a problem. The biggest problem is that Ultras are too damn strong. I say that Maelstorm should be made better in some way to counter Ultras (my opinion). I don't know what to say about PvZ island, as I really don't know much about it other than that it's damn cool to watch. Every other matchup is balanced just fine. The only other change that really needs to be made to the game is that all land units without exception need to have AI quality equivelent to the Hydralisk's. | ||
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Yarertz
Djibouti1891 Posts
On February 18 2004 10:20 IcarusFalls wrote: yea exactly like on my level i think that zerg is better.. but those few pro gamer terrans who might have an advantage over zerg.... what 3 terrans? .. lol sure make terran weaker ill just own with zerg more at my level : ) so fucking true | ||
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