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[MSL Spoiler] His Overwhelming Advantage - Page 9

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JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
January 23 2010 23:49 GMT
#161
jaedong won the match imo, but i wouldnt say he cemented his spot as the best. lets be real, flash wasnt playing in top form.
HeartOfTofu
Profile Joined December 2009
United States308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 23:58:01
January 23 2010 23:54 GMT
#162
On January 24 2010 08:49 TeWy wrote:
Could you please point out some examples of that Baseball thing ? I would like to know what they consider to be a "clear advantage".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainout_(sports)

If a game is rained out before play begins, it is rescheduled for a later date. If it has already begun and rain falls, several scenarios are used to determine the need to resume play:

* If the game has completed the top half of the 5th inning and the home team is ahead, the game can be deemed an official game. The home team is declared the winner, and the game officially counts in standings.
* If the game has completed the bottom half of the 5th inning and either team is ahead, the game can be deemed an official game. The leading team is declared the winner, and the game officially counts in standings.

* If the game has completed the 5th inning, and the teams are tied, or if the game is a playoff game, the game is considered suspended, and the resumption of the game is scheduled for a future date (usually the following day). The game picks up from where it left off.
* If neither of the previous three scenarios apply, the game can not be deemed official. The umpire declares "No Game," and a make-up of the game is scheduled for a future date. The statistics compiled during the rained out game are not counted.


Obviously there's the bit about the playoff game, but in this scenario, we're clearly not in a position where we could simply pick up a Starcraft game from where it left off. The alternative would be a rematch from scratch, which should be the absolute last resort and in this particular instance, I think it would have been unwarranted given the fact that there was such a clear advantage. Of course it'll always be an argument, but my point was merely to state that such a decision isn't unprecedented in the sporting world and shouldn't reflect negatively on KeSPA just because they happened to make it. The funny thing about Baseball's rule to me is that it only requires the game to be more than half over (the same with Motorsports). I think we can all agree that Game 3 of the MSL was probably well past that point when the blackout happened..
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 23 2010 23:56 GMT
#163
* If the game has completed the 5th inning, and the teams are tied, or if the game is a playoff game, the game is considered suspended, and the resumption of the game is scheduled for a future date (usually the following day). The game picks up from where it left off.


It was this, but the bases were loaded and there was a slugger going up against a very tired pitcher.
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
January 23 2010 23:58 GMT
#164
Overwhelming? Hardly. It was just an advantage. You cannot say with 100% certainty that it was over. Think Boxer vs Joyo. If the power cut when those carriers and goons arrived in Boxer's main would you have given Joyo the win?
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 24 2010 00:00 GMT
#165
Hey everyone, lets repeat the same arguments ad infinitum.
vOddy
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden402 Posts
January 24 2010 00:02 GMT
#166
On January 24 2010 09:00 koreasilver wrote:
Hey everyone, lets repeat the same arguments ad infinitum.


Smart idea
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 24 2010 00:02 GMT
#167
On January 24 2010 08:49 JiYan wrote:
jaedong won the match imo, but i wouldnt say he cemented his spot as the best. lets be real, flash wasnt playing in top form.


Jaedong in OSL wasnt in top form either, but that prevented no one from saying JD's ZvT is not the best anymore. Or "standard or cheese, whatever Flash rapes Jaedong".
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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 24 2010 00:02 GMT
#168
Prior to match: Man, I think this series might be one-sided like Bisu vs. Jaedong because any small mistake by either player will be capitalized on and ridden all the way to victory because these guys are just so good!

After: Uh Flash was way behind but hey remember when TT lost?
peanutter
Profile Joined February 2009
Australia165 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-24 00:06:16
January 24 2010 00:03 GMT
#169
flash had more of a chance winning game 1 at the time of his gg than winning game 3 when the blackout occured
HeartOfTofu
Profile Joined December 2009
United States308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-24 00:06:16
January 24 2010 00:03 GMT
#170
On January 24 2010 08:56 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
* If the game has completed the 5th inning, and the teams are tied, or if the game is a playoff game, the game is considered suspended, and the resumption of the game is scheduled for a future date (usually the following day). The game picks up from where it left off.


It was this, but the bases were loaded and there was a slugger going up against a very tired pitcher.


Well, I don't think the situation was nearly as dramatic as you paint it to be. The major battle for 7 o'clock was already over and Flash was headed back to defend his expansion with what little troops he had so I would view it as 9th inning with 2 outs and no runners on base while behind 5-1. Possible? Yes. Likely? No? Should it have been played out? Of course, but that's impossible given the blackout and lack of a save file. The main question is, should 8 2/3 innings of play be thrown out because of the rain? Obviously everyone has different opinions regarding this...

Even with set rules in the MLB, fans always rage when games are decided by rain. It's obviously no different here. KeSPA really was put into a horrible situation here. Unfortunately someone has to get shit on, and in this case it happened to be Flash.
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Jlab
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States217 Posts
January 24 2010 00:04 GMT
#171
They shuolda gone into map editor and recreated the game. then it would have been fair.
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
January 24 2010 00:09 GMT
#172
On January 24 2010 09:04 Jlab wrote:
They shuolda gone into map editor and recreated the game. then it would have been fair.


Lol this may have taken less time than flash's dad and the KT Coach antics. But they will never know exactly what each mineral patch was at, etc etc etc
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HeartOfTofu
Profile Joined December 2009
United States308 Posts
January 24 2010 00:17 GMT
#173
I think this shows us that we should have an auto-save feature in Starcraft 2..
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sh02hp0869
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden460 Posts
January 24 2010 00:17 GMT
#174
Yepp watch the last seconds of the game there was more zergs-thing moving towards the 8 clock expo then the screen shows while Flash had ten marins and a bunch of medics. The marins was heding toward the newly expo to try to defend but it would have been very very hard.

But still its a hard decision to take and its never fair.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 24 2010 00:23 GMT
#175
On January 24 2010 03:46 JWD wrote:
motbob I agree with your game analysis but not your conclusion. I'm busting ass on a school assignment that's due in 3hrs15min right now, but if I've still got any steam left when I finish I will make another OP with my argument.

no, post it here

there's a million threads already hahahahah

anyway, motbob's analysis of the game is spot on. i am without question in favor of a regame. i find the idea that it's "more unfair to jaedong" because his build only works once to be completely ludicrous. that one-in-ten chance of flash winning is enough to warrant a rematch
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mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
January 24 2010 00:26 GMT
#176
i can't believe people are victimizing flash so much. of course the whole ordeal affected flash but implying game 4 was not a "real" game is absolutely retarded. jaedong played that match very well and had he not scouted the second rax by going behind the marine line or picked off the firebats which had just finished the game could have been totally different.
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magicbullet
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Singapore163 Posts
January 24 2010 00:29 GMT
#177
On January 24 2010 09:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 03:46 JWD wrote:
motbob I agree with your game analysis but not your conclusion. I'm busting ass on a school assignment that's due in 3hrs15min right now, but if I've still got any steam left when I finish I will make another OP with my argument.

no, post it here

there's a million threads already hahahahah

anyway, motbob's analysis of the game is spot on. i am without question in favor of a regame. i find the idea that it's "more unfair to jaedong" because his build only works once to be completely ludicrous. that one-in-ten chance of flash winning is enough to warrant a rematch


At the expense of JD's 9 in 10 chance of winning, which he acquired over 18 mins of fantastic play and an opening build that countered Flash's plan, and expect him to start anew in a terran-favored map?
In the long run we are all dead - J.M. Keynes
piratebay
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States399 Posts
January 24 2010 00:31 GMT
#178
On January 24 2010 09:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 03:46 JWD wrote:
motbob I agree with your game analysis but not your conclusion. I'm busting ass on a school assignment that's due in 3hrs15min right now, but if I've still got any steam left when I finish I will make another OP with my argument.

no, post it here

there's a million threads already hahahahah

anyway, motbob's analysis of the game is spot on. i am without question in favor of a regame. i find the idea that it's "more unfair to jaedong" because his build only works once to be completely ludicrous. that one-in-ten chance of flash winning is enough to warrant a rematch


i would have liked a regame for the chance of seeing more games between these two.
but i still think that jaedong had it in the bag.
if flash pressured at all with his tiny force elsewhere on the map, jaedong would have just backstabbed flash's only real mining expo.
trade one base for terrans only mining base that will last? hell yeah on zergs part.

but it just sucks and i believe the kespa refs made the best call they could. fuck mbc for not having resource counters, it woulda made it even easier for people to judge.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
January 24 2010 00:31 GMT
#179
On January 24 2010 09:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 03:46 JWD wrote:
motbob I agree with your game analysis but not your conclusion. I'm busting ass on a school assignment that's due in 3hrs15min right now, but if I've still got any steam left when I finish I will make another OP with my argument.

no, post it here

there's a million threads already hahahahah

anyway, motbob's analysis of the game is spot on. i am without question in favor of a regame. i find the idea that it's "more unfair to jaedong" because his build only works once to be completely ludicrous. that one-in-ten chance of flash winning is enough to warrant a rematch



Then Bisu should have been given a rematch vs Julyzerg.
We decide our own destiny
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
January 24 2010 00:45 GMT
#180
On January 24 2010 03:12 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 03:04 SuperJongMan wrote:
Flash did get a fair shot.
And he lost...99%.


Oh being told that you lose a game due to a power outage is the fairest thing ive ever heard of
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