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On December 29 2009 11:13 FirstProbe wrote:
Give up Ret. I don't know (you or) what you hope to achieve, but I doubt you'll have much success in Korea with Brood War. A matter of too little, too late, and wrong place. You see that now. Not that I wanted to see you fail; I'd have loved to see you on television... but I think there's nothing for you to realistically gain.
Why would you say something like that? Are you a friend of Ret? His father perhaps? If not, you should just shut up or at least not dress up your opinion as if it's supposed to be directed at Ret. I don't think he's waiting for randomdouche2250's tough love right now.
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On December 29 2009 12:45 iloveHieu wrote:
Most likely the best Ret can accomplish is what Idra has now: winning foreigner tournaments. Even that is not worth the amount of time of effort putting in. I doubt Idra will ever be able to compete with A-team Koreans.
I think Ret and even Idra should just give it up and move on to do something better with their lives. Best of luck nonetheless.
If Idra is top 4 B team on CJ atm, I think he can eventually make the A team as long as he keeps improving. CJ is known for building very talented players.
Also I would like to mention that most progamers probably take at least 2 or so years to make it to the A team after joining, maybe even more.
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I'd personally love to hear from Idra himself about what he thinks his chances are of breaking into the A squad in the next year or so. How comfortable he is with his matchups and all that. I doubt he can even talk about stuff like that, but a little B team info/lifestyle would be pretty tight.
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On December 29 2009 12:44 uberMatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 11:01 phosphorylation wrote:On December 29 2009 06:55 Rekrul wrote:On December 29 2009 06:27 phosphorylation wrote:
rekrul, you cannot deny a portion of female Korean population is retardedly favorable to big white males
and its pretty clear from all your flaunts that you took good advantage of it
if you go to a foreign country (especially a homogeneous one like korea), you should make a herculian effort to learn the language and fit into the society..otherwise, they have all the reason to not incorporate you into their own group...but from my experience, some koreans try to do that anyway
overall, my point is that: you haven't said anything flat-out wrong (except for the koreans being insnaely xenophobic), but i have the problem with the way you say it
as if it deserves your contempt and scorn, when it's only reasonalbe what the koreans (and the teams) expect and, on a slightly different note, korea has clearly treated you better than you make it out to be on your post i was never talking about myself ever, koreans treat me EXTREMELY well...i am fluent in their language and understand their culture...ive never met a korean who didn't like me i think lol.the part about being treated differently due to weight was merely i feel a slight difference than before, but its still totally fine t his post was only directed at progaming teams and ur avg sc nerd dreaming to join onei was not knocking on koreans at all as all cultures in the world have their ups and downs. fair enough but that still does not merit you saying stuff like: "Koreans are fucking xenophobic as fuck. They are not happy go lucky to foreigners at all (unless they speak korean or are drinking with them lol!). Koreans are also superficial as hell. They are probably the most judgemental culture I've ever seen. They care about the way you look. They care about the way you carry yourself." u should strive to be more responsible (or just be more specific) with your word choice if you want to rag on the situation, do so but dont make offensive, blanket statements about koreans while doing so "but dont make offensive, blanket statements about koreans while doing so" do you honestly believe that there are people on this forum that are going to take his statement as pure fact? stop assuming that no one can use their fucking brains god i hate so much of this politically correct bullshit that assumes the lowest common denominator
lol i am like the least politically correct person you might meet
judging from the comments from this thread, a lot of people are agreeing with his assessment of koreans
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i know estro has this thing where they have inner b team tournaments where they promote the best b player to the a team but i dunno if other teams do this(or how their promotion system works)
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On December 29 2009 12:51 Whiplash wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 12:45 iloveHieu wrote:
Most likely the best Ret can accomplish is what Idra has now: winning foreigner tournaments. Even that is not worth the amount of time of effort putting in. I doubt Idra will ever be able to compete with A-team Koreans.
I think Ret and even Idra should just give it up and move on to do something better with their lives. Best of luck nonetheless. If Idra is top 4 B team on CJ atm, I think he can eventually make the A team as long as he keeps improving. CJ is known for building very talented players. Also I would like to mention that most progamers probably take at least 2 or so years to make it to the A team after joining, maybe even more.
According to TLPD, CJ has these players:
(T)BByong
(Z)Devil
(Z)EffOrt
(P)fOru
(Z)Hydra
(T)IdrA
(P)invade
(T)Iris
(P)jjonga
(Z)MIsO
(P)Movie
(P)Nbs
(Z)Orion
(T)Rush
(Z)sAviOr
(T)sKyHigh
(P)Snow
Does anyone know which of these players are on the A-team?
I've seen these players in proleague, anyone else?
Effort
Iris
Movie
Nbs
Savior
SkyHigh
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Hydra, and Orion were also played. Snow got sent out once as well in the PL as cannon folder against Bisu. I personally would like to know Idra's win rate against other B-teamers. Although I also know he will never reveal it unless it is over 60%...
I am not sure how this is related to Ret's problem.
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On December 29 2009 13:18 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 12:44 uberMatt wrote:On December 29 2009 11:01 phosphorylation wrote:On December 29 2009 06:55 Rekrul wrote:On December 29 2009 06:27 phosphorylation wrote:
rekrul, you cannot deny a portion of female Korean population is retardedly favorable to big white males
and its pretty clear from all your flaunts that you took good advantage of it
if you go to a foreign country (especially a homogeneous one like korea), you should make a herculian effort to learn the language and fit into the society..otherwise, they have all the reason to not incorporate you into their own group...but from my experience, some koreans try to do that anyway
overall, my point is that: you haven't said anything flat-out wrong (except for the koreans being insnaely xenophobic), but i have the problem with the way you say it
as if it deserves your contempt and scorn, when it's only reasonalbe what the koreans (and the teams) expect and, on a slightly different note, korea has clearly treated you better than you make it out to be on your post i was never talking about myself ever, koreans treat me EXTREMELY well...i am fluent in their language and understand their culture...ive never met a korean who didn't like me i think lol.the part about being treated differently due to weight was merely i feel a slight difference than before, but its still totally fine t his post was only directed at progaming teams and ur avg sc nerd dreaming to join onei was not knocking on koreans at all as all cultures in the world have their ups and downs. fair enough but that still does not merit you saying stuff like: "Koreans are fucking xenophobic as fuck. They are not happy go lucky to foreigners at all (unless they speak korean or are drinking with them lol!). Koreans are also superficial as hell. They are probably the most judgemental culture I've ever seen. They care about the way you look. They care about the way you carry yourself." u should strive to be more responsible (or just be more specific) with your word choice if you want to rag on the situation, do so but dont make offensive, blanket statements about koreans while doing so "but dont make offensive, blanket statements about koreans while doing so" do you honestly believe that there are people on this forum that are going to take his statement as pure fact? stop assuming that no one can use their fucking brains god i hate so much of this politically correct bullshit that assumes the lowest common denominator lol i am like the least politically correct person you might meet judging from the comments from this thread, a lot of people are agreeing with his assessment of koreans
because a lot of people on TL are asian and understand how xenophobic asians can be from personal experience at the very least
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On December 29 2009 13:31 dukethegold wrote:
Hydra, and Orion were also played. Snow got sent out once as well in the PL as cannon folder against Bisu. I personally would like to know Idra's win rate against other B-teamers. Although I also know he will never reveal it unless it is over 60%...
I am not sure how this is related to Ret's problem.
Just trying to gauge the difference in skill levels between CJ A-team, B-team, Idra and ret.
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It wasn't always so , check this out
Basically they gave international players free airfares to korea , cheap hotel/transport and then apoligise for charging $10 registration fee
http://web.archive.org/web/19990420065226/http://www.starcraft.org/
KBK Offers Support to International Players - Hone @ 15:42 EST
Players who registered for the KBK World Masters 2000 Tournament to be hosted on Battle.net received this email in their inbox this morning:
Dear Registrant:
Thank you very much for registering to participate in KBK's StarCraft Masters 2000.
We would like to inform all registrants of the new changes being implemented. In order to make it easier for overseas registrants to participate in the finals, KBK has decided to give out free round-trip airfares to all overseas participants that are among the top 32 players at the end of the preliminaries. In addition, accommodation and transportation will be provided at low-cost to all overseas participants while staying in Korea.
We however regret to inform everyone that a small commitment fee will be charged to all overseas participants. Only one (1) ID will be allocated to each registrant and the registration fee will be the equivalent of US$10.00 in your currency. This can be paid online by the use of credit cards through a secure server.
We apologize deeply for any inconvenience caused. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Best regards,
Aaron Gwak
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Aaron Yunseok Gwak
Director / International Relations
Knight Bridging Korea Co., Ltd.
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I'm not sure why Ret is sad at all that he hasnt won courage yet. Expecting to win a tournament on your first try even if you are the best player there is silly. Clearly for most people it takes many time of trying to actually win it. If Ret wants to quit and give up of course thats his choice. I think that is a bit silly though. Who cares if you have to try 5-10 more times. If thats what it takes then thats the way it is. I'm sure he would rather have had it easy and win his first try. But sometimes life is hard and you have to put in more effort than you want to.
You gotta skate Ret. Put in the effort and keep trying to win courage. Its clear that if you try enough you will win it!!! make the effort.
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I agree with alot of you.
If you are going to korea you should be ready to suffer. Ret has spent the last year living broodwar what is another 2-3 months to try and pass courage ....
Also is it possible to compete in the invid leagues without being on a pro team if you have your license?
If not the system is fucking wack.
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Cool article Rek, I knew some of the things about progaming u mentioned, but I learned some games.
And I'm on the wagon of getting in SC1 right no for a foreigner is dumb. I don't see the Korean system being the most effective come SC2. Mechanics will not be as important as tactics as far as I can see of SC2.
Whatever you do tho Ret, keep ur head up, you chased a dream, there's nothing dishonorable about that.
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motbob
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The concept of a "sunk cost" is that the amount you've invested into a specific activity/business/whatever before the present day has no impact on whether you should continue that activity/business.
In other words even if you've (you as in a hypothetical person) invested time in going to Korea, giving up a job, a gf, whatever, it doesn't matter. You've got to weigh the difference between your prospects in Korea and the prospects in your home country.
I'm not advocating one course or another for Ret, because I don't know his situation in any kind of detail. However, the concept of a sunk cost is something that, in my opinion, he needs to keep in mind.
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On December 29 2009 15:28 motbob wrote:
The concept of a "sunk cost" is that the amount you've invested into a specific activity/business/whatever before the present day has no impact on whether you should continue that activity/business.
In other words even if you've (you as in a hypothetical person) invested time in going to Korea, giving up a job, a gf, whatever, it doesn't matter. You've got to weigh the difference between your prospects in Korea and the prospects in your home country.
I'm not advocating one course or another for Ret, because I don't know his situation in any kind of detail. However, the concept of a sunk cost is something that, in my opinion, he needs to keep in mind.
In the same regard, he would have to keep in mind the opportunity costs as well, which in this case may be a larger factor.
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I want to see Kolll tear shit up in SC2 
As Ret said, he's so young with lots of free time. The stuff legends are made of.
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On December 29 2009 12:48 wadadde wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 11:13 FirstProbe wrote:
Give up Ret. I don't know (you or) what you hope to achieve, but I doubt you'll have much success in Korea with Brood War. A matter of too little, too late, and wrong place. You see that now. Not that I wanted to see you fail; I'd have loved to see you on television... but I think there's nothing for you to realistically gain. Why would you say something like that? Are you a friend of Ret? His father perhaps? If not, you should just shut up or at least not dress up your opinion as if it's supposed to be directed at Ret. I don't think he's waiting for randomdouche2250's tough love right now.
Why don't you shut up.
I'm allowed to voice my opinion. He doesn't have to take it. I didn't actually put him down, so perhaps you shouldn't take offense (why you are in the first place is beyond me). He understands the reality better than both of us, and I'd be surprised if he didn't think of doing exactly that, irrespective of whether or not he read my comment.
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