[Fantasy] PL 09-10 R2 Signups - Page 13

On December 01 2009 20:47 integral wrote:


So the "expected point gain of a 1 pointer" constant is still the same even though the scoring is different? Won't the average point gain of players be significantly lower than last time due to the new negative points for losses and no points for lineup appearances? Previously in any given head-to-head game the overall point gain per player per game would be 2. (2 points for the victory, 2 for the lineup appearances, -1 for the loss, +1 for the team win = 4, divided by 2 players = 2). Now the overall point gain per game is 1.5 -- 4 points for victory, -2 for defeat, 1 for team win. Without a corresponding change in the constant, player scores and thus prices on average will adjust downward. Except for players that play in ace matches, that is -- maximum point gain on a night for an ace player is now 11 instead of 8.

On December 02 2009 06:38 LorD_PaLmersToN wrote:
CtrL aLT ELiTe

Main Team
8 Jaedong (captain)
5 Kal
3 Kwanro
4 Light
5 Stork
0 Yellow
5 MBCGame Hero

Anti Team
6 Free
4 Ruby
3 Savior

On December 02 2009 09:05 Sanku wrote:There isn't anyone ridiculously overpriced this round so anti teams will screw you over more.

On December 02 2009 09:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Evil Geniuses

Main Team
3 Hwasin
2 Jangbi
3 Kwanro
3 Movie
9 Sea (captain)
5 Stork
5 MBCGame Hero

Anti Team
5 Kal
4 Light
4 Ruby

I like my odds

On December 02 2009 06:39 UGC4 wrote:
how do u join groups

On December 02 2009 07:02 Xiphos wrote:
Hey what does Captains do in Fantasy? You just can't trade them or something?

On December 02 2009 08:30 integral wrote:


Bumping this from page 7.

Either another thread needs to be created for the attention whores to post their team or spoiler tags need to be included in the copy/paste html. It's impossible to have any sort of discussion about FPL while the pages are spammed with people's teams. Maybe I'm just a grinch but I don't give a fuck who you put on your team -- but even if I did, imagine what a nightmare this thread would be if literally everyone who entered posted their team.

On December 01 2009 22:28 Musoeun wrote:


Aces from strong teams are the aces on the strong teams because they're really good players. Removing penalties for ace losses doesn't make them less safe picks. There's nothing you can do to make the really good players not be "safe" picks and still make the system reasonable.

This change just artificially inflates the value of "bad" ace players. Sure, the guy's playing ace, that's got to count for something - but it's an automatic +2 with no penalty for losing. Obviously he doesn't get the points for winning, but that's it. In this regard the old scoring's +2 -1 was much more reasonable.

We've got a 6 point difference between the winner and loser of a game. The ace game difference is now only 4 points. (Old system: 3 point difference for a regular game, 3 points for an ace game.) Why not just go with -1 for an ace game loss still? It seems a little more "fair" to me.

Side note: I feel that overall this new scoring system is going to create an even bigger spread between lucky good and unlucky bad teams and make sticking with the competition much much harder after a bad week. While I understand the rationale behind the changes, I don't like it completely. Trading is too limited to fully adjust for things like good players stuck in set fours (you're hoping they get to play) and other lineup quirks that before were compensated by the lineup points.

Further edit: What I'm getting at is twofold. First, the ideal "dead weight" player has changed from the bad player who is playing (he might win) to the bad player who's not playing (because if he is he might lose). Obviously you don't want any dead weight on your team, but sometimes you have to pick up those 1-pointers.

Second, the middle-of-the-road players now become hugely hit or miss, not to say luck-based. Basically the only option for these guys is to pick the pretty good ones on good teams, and hope. (Partly I'm irritated by the changes because I made by living on these players and now they're huge risks.) The best teams overall - I'm calling it now - are going to have one or two big name players, the team that wins the round, and a bunch of guys who barely play on a good team. Which is lame. Sure, somebody's going to get it right with the 3-5 pointers and run away with the win, but overall meh.