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Who Sez Starcraft is Dead? [Part 1] - Page 2
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On October 03 2009 08:18 Amber[LighT] wrote: idra winning 6.8 k (as the highest foreigner) makes the game not seem very lucrative for a career Idra haven't even had a chance to play in proleague yet. He's not good enough to make money. Let's compare starcraft to baseball. A minor league player in baseball makes very little money. All-Stars and veterans that make the most money in baseball. It's the same in starcraft. Top players like Flash and Jaedong make the most money. Then there's veterans like Boxer and Savior who has a high salary even though they suck. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
Awesome OP, very informative! Thanks for the information, man! | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9016 Posts
On October 03 2009 08:18 Amber[LighT] wrote: Especially considering the amount of time spent playing... idra winning 6.8 k (as the highest foreigner) makes the game not seem very lucrative for a career Just for the hell of it lets crunch the numbers a little more... figure you play SC full time, 8 hours a day 5 days a week. That's 40 hours a week or 2080 hours over 52 weeks. $6080/2080hours = $3.20 an hour. And it's not even guaranteed because your not getting paid hourly your getting paid by tournament success, bad day or couple games in a tournament and bam. No wonder most guys end up playing poker  This is a really interesting thread, can't wait for part 2.  | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9016 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On October 03 2009 08:12 Tom Phoenix wrote: [/spoiler]Actually, compared to other sports, even top progamers are payed peanuts. Moon, one of the best WC3 players of all time, is currently the most well-payed progamer (NaDa used to have that title, but he received a major pay cut in his most recent contract). This year, he signed a three year contract worth 700 million South Korean won or 470,000 US Dollars. In comparison, Ronaldinho (currently one of the best football/soccer players) signed a three year contract worth 28 million US Dollars. This is not even mentioning the fact that WeMade essentially got Moon for free (his old team, MyM, went bankrupt), while AC Milan had to buy Ronaldinho off Barcelona for 40 million dollars. Well by comparison, the sport doesn't make as much money or have as many viewers or endorsements. Also note that players still have other side deals and shit (free room and board, ads and appearance fees, endorsements, etc) It definitely doesn't add up to as much as the contract alone of major sports players but I'm sure it took those sports a while to gain notoriety as well. Perhaps with the rebirth of esports in sc2 we will see a boost. | ||
GTR
51706 Posts
On October 03 2009 08:31 JWD wrote: FYI Xeris, it was Super who finished third at ESWC Asia Masters. Awesome OP, very informative! Thanks for the information, man! No, it was definitely some 'Korean man' aka Tossgirl. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On October 03 2009 08:55 El.Divino wrote: StarCraft is still alive! And SC2 will revitalize the scene and hopefully drag more people into proscene and fandom. imo starcraft is alive because of sc2 =( | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On October 03 2009 07:28 EsX_Raptor wrote: + Show Spoiler + lol $6,800? That's what I made doing some crappy research for 2 months in my uni (excluding free food, transport and housing) I thought he had made like 15k+ or something Cool, thanks for telling everyone your salary. I read this post while cruising in my M5 btw, brb dropping gold off my 90th story penthouse. | ||
KwarK
United States44398 Posts
On October 03 2009 09:18 Chill wrote: Cool, thanks for telling everyone your salary. I read this post while cruising in my M5 btw, brb dropping gold off my 90th story penthouse. It's not his fault he was adversely effected by the recession. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On October 03 2009 09:18 Chill wrote: Cool, thanks for telling everyone your salary. I read this post while cruising in my M5 btw, brb dropping gold off my 90th story penthouse. Oh Chill - you made me chuckle. A lot of you raise some valid points, I wouldn't call the SC scene separate from the SC2 scene... I think the SC scene will translate directly into SC2 so I see it rather as an outgrowth. I don't see it as "when SC2 comes out SC will die" , there will be a gradual transition. In this way, SC seems to be booming financially. What's amazing about it to me is that a LOT of it is community made contributions - there are practically no corporate sponsored events (except for ESL and major LAN events)... most of the tournaments have been privately funded. I can say with almost 100% certainty that SC has the most privately funded shit than any other game, and that is something that is truly amazing. The inherent problem in this is that it doesn't lend itself to perpetuation. For example, will anonymous people keep dropping 1.5k in my paypal to host tournaments?? I don't think so (I hope so though). Unless these people are really loaded, I can't see this level of private donation continuing. However, while it lasts, we need to enjoy it and make the most out of it... and do everything we can to make sure to induce sponsors and other rich fools to take more interest in this game. Next, on the argument of making money from BW not being worth the investment, I made a blog about that very topic HERE. And my new thought on this is this: for most people, playing BW is a hobby (except IdrA), so the fact they can make money for what they would gladly do for free anyways is a GOOD thing. Think of IdrA actually... counting WCG USA he's made almost $10,000 in 2009. He likely has very little living expense because of the fact that everything is paid for (room, food, etc) in Korea. Also, as far as I know his winnings aren't taxable income. So really he is just pocketing $10,000 in 10 months of work, which is approximately $1,000 per month. Sure it's not great but considering the fact IdrA is only 20 years old, that's actually pretty standard for a 20 year old, especially considering most 20 year olds aren't working full time. All things considered, IdrA is doing alright for himself... Now, the thing to consider however is the growth potential. Will he make $10,000 or more in 2010? Will there be room for significant improvement? We'll have to see how SC2 pans out to answer that question. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13922 Posts
common you rich poker players, give xeris a little something to host more events | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On October 03 2009 09:46 Xeris wrote: Oh Chill - you made me chuckle. A lot of you raise some valid points, I wouldn't call the SC scene separate from the SC2 scene... I think the SC scene will translate directly into SC2 so I see it rather as an outgrowth. I don't see it as "when SC2 comes out SC will die" , there will be a gradual transition. In this way, SC seems to be booming financially. What's amazing about it to me is that a LOT of it is community made contributions - there are practically no corporate sponsored events (except for ESL and major LAN events)... most of the tournaments have been privately funded. I can say with almost 100% certainty that SC has the most privately funded shit than any other game, and that is something that is truly amazing. The inherent problem in this is that it doesn't lend itself to perpetuation. For example, will anonymous people keep dropping 1.5k in my paypal to host tournaments?? I don't think so (I hope so though). Unless these people are really loaded, I can't see this level of private donation continuing. However, while it lasts, we need to enjoy it and make the most out of it... and do everything we can to make sure to induce sponsors and other rich fools to take more interest in this game. Next, on the argument of making money from BW not being worth the investment, I made a blog about that very topic HERE. And my new thought on this is this: for most people, playing BW is a hobby (except IdrA), so the fact they can make money for what they would gladly do for free anyways is a GOOD thing. Think of IdrA actually... counting WCG USA he's made almost $10,000 in 2009. He likely has very little living expense because of the fact that everything is paid for (room, food, etc) in Korea. Also, as far as I know his winnings aren't taxable income. So really he is just pocketing $10,000 in 10 months of work, which is approximately $1,000 per month. Sure it's not great but considering the fact IdrA is only 20 years old, that's actually pretty standard for a 20 year old, especially considering most 20 year olds aren't working full time. All things considered, IdrA is doing alright for himself... Now, the thing to consider however is the growth potential. Will he make $10,000 or more in 2010? Will there be room for significant improvement? We'll have to see how SC2 pans out to answer that question. it's also important to note just how rad the experience is. money is the least important part of being a progamer. I have many friends who struggle from paycheck to paycheck either cause they are in school, can't find work, or just aren't paid well. Idra on the other hand is getting paid to compete at something he loves, expenses are paid, and when he performs well, he get's a monetary return. in the meantime he's experience a different country, different culture, and learning way more about life than an extra $10k at home could. Anyone who doesn't think this experience is lucrative is retarded. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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endGame
United States394 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On October 03 2009 10:11 talismania wrote: what makes you think his winnings aren't taxable? I mean, he probably falls into such a low income bracket that it doesn't matter, but winnings from most things are taxable, at a pretty high rate too. how could they be taxable... the only thing that might be taxable is his WCG USA winnings... ESWC was in Korea so I'm not sure if they have similar rules or whatever.. but ya, his other winnings have been small and it's not like they're getting filed anywhere, | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On October 03 2009 07:34 Liquid`NonY wrote: But I think they have more money from team sponsors which is a better indicator of incentive. I think the other games are more of a payout, the teams who drop sc do it to stop wasting money and contribute more of it to their other teams like CS or COD4. | ||
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Headlines
United States482 Posts
On October 03 2009 07:29 Xeris wrote: What I really want to do is compare this to some of the other major games like CoD4, CS, WC3 and see how they compare O_O! I'd venture a guess that SC actually isn't too far behind at least one of these games. Comparing CoD4 would be easy for you I'm guessing? Just ask Nabore | ||
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