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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On September 15 2009 22:22 KinosJourney2 wrote: I think you have confused Bisu with Stork, Bisus best MU is PvZ. What are you talking about? Certainly not, storks best mu is undoubtedly PvT | ||
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monstar123
United States516 Posts
On September 15 2009 22:22 KinosJourney2 wrote: I think you have confused Bisu with Stork, Bisus best MU is PvZ. Just look at the statistics. Bisu is 80% PvP this year. And nobody is not confused by Bisu>Stork. It was obvious. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
It is a fact that, nowadays, Bisu's PvP is his best matchup. It is also not a stretch to say that, nowadays, Bisu's PvP is comparable to Jaedong's ZvZ. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 15 2009 22:20 monstar123 wrote: right now  Bisu's best mu is PvP ,everybody knows it. His PvP is like  Jaedong's zvz.Since we are looking at historical records, what Bisu's best MU is currently is pretty irrelevant. ...on another note, I've always thought that Jaedong's worst MU is ZvP, despite his stats. Just look at who has knocked him out in MSLs, OSLs, and GSLs in BoX matches: MBC Survivor 10th: 0-2 to free[gm]2007 1st OGN Dual Tournament: 1-2 to Much2007 OGN StarChallege Season 1: 1-3 to Rock2008 Bacchus OSL: 1-2 to  Flash2008 Arena MSL: 0-3 to fOrGG (insert that famous map stats picture here  )2008 ClubDay MSL: 1-2 to free[gm]Gom Classic Season 2: 1-2 to TempestGom Classic Season 3: 0-3 to EffOrt2009 Avalon MSL: 1-2 to Calm...he keeps losing to random Protosses. When he loses to other races in a BoX, their always top-tier. But Tempest? Rock? | ||
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nK)Duke
Germany936 Posts
On September 15 2009 21:52 alffla wrote: jaedong bonjwa ez.... savior overcame map imbalance why cant bisu rofl noob..... this | ||
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boe_N
United States57 Posts
I wouldn't try to extrapolate too much from these map statistics, in other words. Maps obviously play a factor, but there's a lot more going on. | ||
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cosiant
Canada616 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
If a map is 3-9 PvZ it doesn't mean that it's imbalanced. It has probably the most to do with the skill level of the players. People are really quite stupid about this too often. Also you can't read anything into that small size of a sample. Even a couple of hundred games is almost too little to determine map balance only, because so many other factors count. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On September 15 2009 22:29 Dfgj wrote: Bisu's PvZ in 2009 is statistically his worst, I believe. Which shows... nothing, given the timeframe the JD:Bisu stats are covering. Actually, I think most protoss players have PvZ as their statistically worst matchup lol Go think about that instead of what maps are being used | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On September 15 2009 21:52 alffla wrote: jaedong bonjwa ez.... savior overcame map imbalance why cant bisu rofl noob..... Awesome post. The reason is that PvZ for any protoss, including Bisu, will always be harder to dominate than ZvT. Both considered the "hard" MU for the respective races. Not so hard to figure out | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Also remember the HBR game? Accidently canceled Spire? Doesn't quit reflecets skills. I dont say it shouldn't be counted, but stats like this just aren't saying anything. Better get JD's ZvP stats on these maps against Bisu's PvZ maps. Than cry about how Bisu lost because of the maps. These kind of "statistics" make me sick | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On September 15 2009 22:53 Foucault wrote: Actually, I think most protoss players have PvZ as their statistically worst matchup lol Pretty much. Not sure how that impacts the points raised in any way, though. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On September 15 2009 22:19 7mk wrote: Well Bisu is most infamous for his PvZ but I still agree with you, he also says he is most comfortable against Zerg, but I don't think it's his best matchup. Yeah that's true I mean if you look at how Zerg has just completely thoroughly dominated last season, and if you then look at the map pool... it's not like the map pool is so incredibly Zergloving and Protoss hating, certainly also has something to do with for example how 5/6 Dragons just decided to start playing bad. Weird logic. So you feel it's more likely that 5 very good players decide that they should randomly start sucking at the same time for a long period of time... rather than maps which produced ZvZs everywhere and allowed zergs such as Kwanro and type-b to become near SL winners? I'm not saying you're wrong, because none of us are close enough to progamers to know the real answer. But it just seems like a weird assumption. | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On September 15 2009 22:58 Foucault wrote: Awesome post. The reason is that PvZ for any protoss, including Bisu, will always be harder to dominate than ZvT. Both considered the "hard" MU for the respective races. Not so hard to figure out Dominating has nothing to do with 1 player overcoming map imbalance for a time period. | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
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