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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
August 26 2009 21:42 GMT
#281
On August 27 2009 06:25 oBlade wrote:
Hey - what would KeSPA say to JD making a new team if he were to find sponsorship? (Supposing things fell apart with Hwaseung Oz, which is by all accounts where he belongs)

they would not allow jd's team participation in osl and msl, nor the team leagues. probably no tv coverage either.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 26 2009 21:48 GMT
#282
On August 27 2009 05:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2009 05:43 Jibba wrote:
On August 27 2009 05:37 oneofthem wrote:
hm, is the labor position in the nba stronger than it is in mlb? with a salary cap and maximum deals in the nba, i don't see how that union is stronger than the marvin miller juggernauts in mlb. although, the baseball draft is tilted more to the owners.

Baseball players union is far and away the strongest, while NFL is one of the weakest. I think NBA is somewhere in between and has a good system set up.

I dunno how much this matters but I know that the 27th pick in the NFL draft gets waaaaay more money than the 15th pick in the NBA draft.



That's because the NFL system for paying rookies is stupid. They pay too much money to rookies, especially the top 5-10. Those top few picks make more money than the stars in their position. After that, however, they have less protection. Teams can just cast injured players aside, even though the NFL is the most dangerous out of the major leagues.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51646 Posts
August 26 2009 21:55 GMT
#283
On August 27 2009 06:48 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2009 05:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 27 2009 05:43 Jibba wrote:
On August 27 2009 05:37 oneofthem wrote:
hm, is the labor position in the nba stronger than it is in mlb? with a salary cap and maximum deals in the nba, i don't see how that union is stronger than the marvin miller juggernauts in mlb. although, the baseball draft is tilted more to the owners.

Baseball players union is far and away the strongest, while NFL is one of the weakest. I think NBA is somewhere in between and has a good system set up.

I dunno how much this matters but I know that the 27th pick in the NFL draft gets waaaaay more money than the 15th pick in the NBA draft.



That's because the NFL system for paying rookies is stupid. They pay too much money to rookies, especially the top 5-10. Those top few picks make more money than the stars in their position. After that, however, they have less protection. Teams can just cast injured players aside, even though the NFL is the most dangerous out of the major leagues.


yeh tell me about it, how much is stafford going to make with his stint at lions? 50mil guaranteed? ridiculous.
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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
August 26 2009 22:27 GMT
#284
On August 27 2009 06:55 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2009 06:48 andrewlt wrote:
On August 27 2009 05:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 27 2009 05:43 Jibba wrote:
On August 27 2009 05:37 oneofthem wrote:
hm, is the labor position in the nba stronger than it is in mlb? with a salary cap and maximum deals in the nba, i don't see how that union is stronger than the marvin miller juggernauts in mlb. although, the baseball draft is tilted more to the owners.

Baseball players union is far and away the strongest, while NFL is one of the weakest. I think NBA is somewhere in between and has a good system set up.

I dunno how much this matters but I know that the 27th pick in the NFL draft gets waaaaay more money than the 15th pick in the NBA draft.



That's because the NFL system for paying rookies is stupid. They pay too much money to rookies, especially the top 5-10. Those top few picks make more money than the stars in their position. After that, however, they have less protection. Teams can just cast injured players aside, even though the NFL is the most dangerous out of the major leagues.


yeh tell me about it, how much is stafford going to make with his stint at lions? 50mil guaranteed? ridiculous.

but then again. lions went 0-16.
cw)minsean(ru
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
August 26 2009 22:37 GMT
#285
the slotting draft system is an atypical contract situation in the nfl. most of the time guys are expendable and signed to nonguaranteed contracts.

however overrated stafford may be, the lions have no choice but to sign him. even so, if he works out then he won't be overpaid at all, given the importance of qb in that league
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
dellesh1ruH
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark509 Posts
August 26 2009 22:41 GMT
#286
I really hope for Jaedong he doesn't retire.
Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
August 26 2009 22:49 GMT
#287
imo, dad should let Jaedong play for a while longer, until SC2 comes out and all that. He is at the peak of his career right now and should ride the wave of success. School can wait a year longer
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 26 2009 23:48 GMT
#288
This is a travesty. Unbelievable. Even if JD does resign with Oz he won't be able to play in the starleagues for a while. Where are the protests? Starcraft is the second most popular sport in korea and not a single fan is picketing?
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
natturner
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
342 Posts
August 27 2009 00:27 GMT
#289
On August 27 2009 08:48 Warrior Madness wrote:
This is a travesty. Unbelievable. Even if JD does resign with Oz he won't be able to play in the starleagues for a while. Where are the protests? Starcraft is the second most popular sport in korea and not a single fan is picketing?


y wouldn't he be able to play in starleagues for a while? i thought as long as he re-signs with OZ before August 31st, everything returns back to normal.
This nigga done stole my bike.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-27 00:47:29
August 27 2009 00:47 GMT
#290
On August 27 2009 06:04 Blueblister wrote:
Not true. Jaedong retiring would very likely benefit other players because the fans will hopefully demand some changes in future negotiation terms. This would primarily be bad for Kespa(OGN+MBC+Sponsors), since the organization would loose a lot of public good will. Sure it would be bad for viewers of next season, but if this leads to better terms for the players it will be worth it for us in the long haul.

This is based on a huge number of "ifs" though. As a single event, Jaedong's retirement is bad for everyone.

On August 27 2009 06:04 Blueblister wrote:
How would you react if you're parents forced you away from something similar?

Unhappy but grateful. As much as Jaedong loves playing for Hwaseung, he has to be really naive not to see how badly he's being exploited and how much his rights as a player are being trampled on at his current salary. As much as he may disagree with his parents' position, there's is the only logical one to have.
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NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
August 27 2009 01:56 GMT
#291
As much as he may disagree with his parents' position, there's is the only logical one to have.


So, the options are back to:

1: OZ gives Jaedong more money

2: Jaedong retires.

I fail to see the logic here. Jaedong is possibly not even at his peak yet. He just won back-to-back OSLs; he has a good shot at winning a 4th, doing something that nobody has done before. The Golden Mouse is old hat; Jaedong can do far better. He can prove that he is the best StarCraft player to touch the keyboard.

I understand why they wanted to go for free agency. But the FA rules are so anti-player that it was basically a guarantee for Jaedong to retire.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 27 2009 01:57 GMT
#292
There are a lot of koreans in the cs related programs at my school I hope jaedong comes here
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-27 02:11:18
August 27 2009 02:08 GMT
#293
On August 27 2009 10:56 NicolBolas wrote:
I fail to see the logic here. Jaedong is possibly not even at his peak yet. He just won back-to-back OSLs; he has a good shot at winning a 4th, doing something that nobody has done before. The Golden Mouse is old hat; Jaedong can do far better. He can prove that he is the best StarCraft player to touch the keyboard.

Except fame isn't everything. I'm sure they recognize that their son is an absolute genius, but he's reaping very little real benefit from it. He works harder and gets paid less than players that are half as accomplished as he is. Given that they want to send him to college, I'm sure they're looking out for the long haul. Being the best player to ever play Starcraft is nice and all, but there's no guarantee that will mean anything 20-30 years from now. And if working himself nearly to death isn't making things easier (in terms of financial security) for him in the long run, then what's he getting out of it?
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Godimus
Profile Joined July 2009
United States126 Posts
August 27 2009 02:14 GMT
#294
if i were jaedong i would take less money and sign for like a 1-2 year deal if oz doesn't promise to bring in some more help/talent screw retiring not even 20 years old yet
im from the streets bitch
SpiritAshura
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1271 Posts
August 27 2009 04:54 GMT
#295
On August 27 2009 11:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2009 10:56 NicolBolas wrote:
I fail to see the logic here. Jaedong is possibly not even at his peak yet. He just won back-to-back OSLs; he has a good shot at winning a 4th, doing something that nobody has done before. The Golden Mouse is old hat; Jaedong can do far better. He can prove that he is the best StarCraft player to touch the keyboard.

Except fame isn't everything. I'm sure they recognize that their son is an absolute genius, but he's reaping very little real benefit from it. He works harder and gets paid less than players that are half as accomplished as he is. Given that they want to send him to college, I'm sure they're looking out for the long haul. Being the best player to ever play Starcraft is nice and all, but there's no guarantee that will mean anything 20-30 years from now. And if working himself nearly to death isn't making things easier (in terms of financial security) for him in the long run, then what's he getting out of it?

I generally agree with this post, good call. +1 to you
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
August 27 2009 05:53 GMT
#296
On August 27 2009 11:08 TheYango wrote:
Being the best player to ever play Starcraft is nice and all, but there's no guarantee that will mean anything 20-30 years from now.


As long as the industry is around, coaching. He can go as long as he wants on coaching, retire comfortably and let that be that.

This is bad business irregardless, but I felt the need to point that out.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
August 27 2009 05:59 GMT
#297
I can't believe no-one would make ANY offers for JD. They can give the excuse that he 'wanted' to stay at oz, but I bet they knew he would be better served in another team.

I feel sorry for him. It feels like he has no say whatsoever. Such talent, and ridiculously wasted.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
August 27 2009 06:11 GMT
#298
I wouldn't be so quick to say that Jaedong retiring is bad for Kespa. It may cause some short term problems. But over the long run I sincerely doubt it matters. Kespa has done a ton of shit so far and fans have not done anything about it besides bitching on the internet. I really don't think Jaedong retiring is going to change that. For Kespa, maintaining the lowest possible salaries for players is more important than Jaedong's contribution to the league.

The only thing that can change the status quo is for fans to boycott the games. Don't watch them on TV. Don't go to the MBC/OGN studios to watch. As long as that doesn't happen, the industry doesn't give a damn.
Meh
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
August 27 2009 06:14 GMT
#299
I really hope it doesn't come to having to boycott. And even then, that will be hard for me to do, let alone the millions that watch in korea.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
August 27 2009 06:17 GMT
#300
Jaedong retiring? Wtf, never thought of that. Hope he comes to a college near me if he does retire though. But lets just hope retirement won't happen.
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