Hi TeamLiquid (and reddit),

I'm DiaBoLuS, a german low-mid GM protoss player in HotS (2x HotS / 5x WoL). I play sc2 since the release of the beta and I watch a shitton of professional SC2 – basically all major tournaments, many online cups and ladderstreams as well. Also, im obsessed with rankings!
Therefore, i post a foreigner rankings for about a year now, and i plan to keep posting rankings on a monthly basis in the future. When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire.
--> no Jim, no Sen, no Xigua!

How do i make my ranking? Which criteria do i have?
My personal ranking watches mostly on results, but also on how they where achieved. Also, ladder-performances as well as past, major results play a role in my ranking – as well as my general impression of a player (does he seem talented / cheesy / cant seem to show off his full potential somehow). Activity obviously also plays a role – you cant call a player you never get to see one of the absolute best in my opinion.

Ranking system:
roughly
75% = my own rank /// 25% = aligulac.com rank.
both ranks will be shown in the players pictures, comulating in one rank.

So when criticizing the ranking, please talk specifically about my personal rank given, not the comulated rank, since the aligulac rank isnt influenced by me

No votes this month, im a lazy Panda.

Stephano
2.

NaNiWa
3.

Lucifron
4.

Snute
5.

Scarlett
6.

TLO
7.

Happy
8.

MaNa
9.

VortiX
10.

SaSe
11.

Nerchio
12.

Kas
13.

HasuObs
14.

Welmu
15.

Bunny
16.

mOOnGlaDe
17.

Dimaga
18.

Dayshi
19.

Grubby
20.

SortOf
21.

Suppy
22.

MajOr
23.

DeMusliM
24.

Tefel
25.

Bly
26.

SjoW
27.

ThorZaiN
28.

Ret
29.

BabyKnight
30.

TitaN

Players that came closest to Top 30

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qxc

HuK

PiG

HeRoMaRinE

Starbuck

SeleCt

March 2012
April 2012
May 2012
June 2012
July 2012
August 2012
September 2012
October 2012
November 2012
December 2012 (1)
December 2012 (2)
January 2013
March 2013
April 2013
May 2013
June 2013

Thanks, I hope u had a nice read!

monk

United States8477 Posts

July 11 2013 19:56 GMT

Nice, my only big concerns are maybe Dayshi, Sjow, and Strelok a bit higher.

Oh yea, Major too high.

Also, I miss the up/down arrows with the numbers.

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

July 11 2013 19:57 GMT

I can't see any reason at all to have Major so high up there when someone like Strelok or even qxc doesn't make the ranking.

Was it the 0-2 loss to qxc, the 0-2 loss to Goswser or the 2-0 vs Theognis that catapulted him up the rankings this month? :p

He literally has only one map win against someone who is in the top 30 or even among the players that came close this month. Aligulac has him in 46. You must have a very high opinion of him to place him so highly.

Especially since your personal ranking places Dayshi in 25 and MajOr in 17. I mean, really. I usually don't disagree much with your rankings, but here I'm just like WTF.

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

July 11 2013 20:03 GMT

qxc and strelok are both very close to 30, strelok probably wouldve been there if todays performance counted into it (it takes time to do those graphic thingys^^).
Most pros consider MajOr a top foreigner - you have to repect that in some way imo. maybe i went too high there.

oh yeah, will add those arrows next month^^

monk

United States8477 Posts

July 11 2013 20:10 GMT

Oh, qxc too. He's been doing really well lately.

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

July 11 2013 20:12 GMT

On July 12 2013 05:03 KalWarkov wrote:
qxc and strelok are both very close to 30, strelok probably wouldve been there if todays performance counted into it (it takes time to do those graphic thingys^^).
Most pros consider MajOr a top foreigner - you have to repect that in some way imo. maybe i went too high there.

oh yeah, will add those arrows next month^^

Well, I don't know. I respect pros, and I'm all about defending players with potential or whatever. And I'm usually one of the first who defends players who do well in win online cups and qualifiers but haven't shown much in offline events yet and says to give them time because they're really good.

But if you simply don't show results anywhere at all, then it's pretty hard to explain how exactly this warrants a spot in the ranking. Dayshi has 20 wins and 6 losses in Acer Teamstory Cup now and two all-kills vs Korean-only teams under his belt and reached the playoffs at Dreamhack Summer last month, only to lose to probably the best European TvT player LucifroN in a close series.
MajOr trades games with some decent and a bunch of mediocre NA players. At some point you have to make a cutoff and say, you might be good, but the results don't support that at all at the moment.

Especially since you're always advocating a slow and steady increase/decrease in the ranking, you don't throw out someone easily. MajOr jumped at least 13 places up compared to last month without winning more than a single map against an opponent in the top 41 (and then lost that series because he forfeited).

I'm not hating on MajOr or anything, I kind of like the guy, but it doesn't make sense at all to me. Also, you usually want feedback.

Qxc has done like infinitely better in the last month, beating Kespa players and foreigners alike, qualifying for IEM and everything and gets a pat on the back. MajOr takes a map off Nerchio and is the 17th best foreigner in your eyes.

lantz

United States762 Posts

July 11 2013 20:21 GMT

I feel like you are being affected more by how you like the player/ how famous they are than by the actual results :/

WAY overrated the zergs in the top 12... maybe even in the whole thing. Are you a zerg fan by any chance?

Thomassn

Netherlands12 Posts

July 11 2013 20:22 GMT

No Sen, can't take this serious even though the top 5 seems right.

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

July 11 2013 20:26 GMT

On July 12 2013 05:22 Thomassn wrote:
No Sen, can't take this serious even though the top 5 seems right.

This happens literally every single time the ranking is posted. Read the OP.

On July 12 2013 04:41 KalWarkov wrote:

When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire.
--> no Jim, no Sen, no Xigua!

Maybe try not hiding that part behind the spoiler next time, Diabolus. Maybe there'll be 10% less comments about it.

Rail_sc2

Russian Federation205 Posts

July 11 2013 21:06 GMT

#10

sad that im so noob

GTPGlitch

5061 Posts

July 11 2013 21:14 GMT

#11

How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/

Musicus

Germany23579 Posts

July 11 2013 21:23 GMT

#12

On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/

He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU.

Yonnua

United Kingdom2331 Posts

July 11 2013 21:33 GMT

#13

On July 12 2013 06:23 Musicus wrote:

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Yeah WCS EU was a much better tournament than MLG. I mean, Hyun, HerO, Jaedong and Dear are pretty good players, but they're nowhere near as good as TLO, DIMAGA, Babyknight and Happy! I mean, if those guys had been at MLG then maybe we'd be able to see Naniwa compete against the same caliber of player that Stephano did...

RiSkysc2

696 Posts

July 11 2013 21:42 GMT

#14

snute should be at least in top 3. He has won the most money in 2013 for foreigners.

lantz

United States762 Posts

July 11 2013 21:45 GMT

#15

^^ makes a lot of sense when he lost to a NA terran horribly

mechengineer123

Ukraine711 Posts

July 11 2013 21:47 GMT

#16

Some people here are getting pretty mad at a guys opinion. Who cares. Some picks are clearly "wrong", opinion or not, but there's no need to get this heated up about it :D

GenesisX

Canada4267 Posts

July 11 2013 21:48 GMT

#17

eh, Lucifron is definitely best foreigner atm but whatever, number 3 works too. Also what tournaments did you use to rank moonglade? Havent seen him at all for a while now.

BlackPanther

United States872 Posts

July 11 2013 21:50 GMT

#18

DeMuslim is ranked too highly. He still hasn't had a good tournament in a long time and he didn't do well at all at MLG. I don't really agree with Stephano being #1 since he has had minimal results for the past few months.

Eggi

478 Posts

July 11 2013 21:52 GMT

#19

Still dont know why scarlett is on the list, shes on injured list, cant really include her can you?

m0ck

4194 Posts

July 11 2013 21:53 GMT

#20

I like the ranking, though I disagree with a few choices. A bit too many of the good ol' boys for me. The trifecta of bunny/dayshi/Lucifron is fearsome. I really hope they'll show the foreigner-terrans out of the darkness (more than sjow did).

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