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Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
August 17 2011 01:38 GMT
#21
I'd really quite appreciate it if people stopped telling me who and what to be mad at. I'm a fan of a team. One of my favorite players on that team left that team for another team.

I'm not happy about it.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 17 2011 01:44 GMT
#22
On August 17 2011 10:38 Complete wrote:
I'd really quite appreciate it if people stopped telling me who and what to be mad at. I'm a fan of a team. One of my favorite players on that team left that team for another team.

I'm not happy about it.

Don't worry. Mini-Bisu will step up to the plate.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 01:47:50
August 17 2011 01:45 GMT
#23
inflowMinigun was the carrier of inflow, one of the strongest team on NA sever after the game released. After Root acquired minigun, inflow was left 4 dead. The team disbanded with the manager giving up his will and dumbing himself for month in LoL before come back to just few months ago. Old member of inflow still can be found on GM and high master list of NA sever until today.

By now, not half of teamliquid even remember the name of inflow.

Also to clarify, Sheth is FXO -> free agent -> TL, not FXO -> TL. He left FXO by himself and then personally approached TL as well as other teams for their interest.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
August 17 2011 02:01 GMT
#24
Well all of ROOT moved in the end, long as we're listing.
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 02:20:51
August 17 2011 05:44 GMT
#25
I been working on a similar list, but specifically for korean <-> foreigner trades:

Individual Players

(Z)Check
Prime to eSahara

(Z)Zenio
oGs to Team Liquid

(P)Yong
ZeNEX to Vile Gaming

Sickness
ZeNEX to Team AZK

(P)Inori
FXO to ReIGN

(T)Lyn
FOX to Pandarea

(T)Fenix
FnaticMSI to IM

(P)Violet
MVP to AZK


(P)HwangSin
MVP to GoSu

(T)Artist
fOu to Reign

(Z)Tandongho
ZeNEX to Dignitas

(P)HerO
oGs to Team Liquid

(T)Rain
TSL to FnaticMSI

(T)August
StarTale to FnaticMSI

(T)PuMa
TSL to Evil Geniuses

(T)NaDa, (P)MC
oGs sharing with SK


Full Team

  • fOu bought by FXO - details
  • IM partnership with Quantic Gaming - details
  • MVP combined with Complexity Gaming - details
  • SlayerS partnership with Evil Geniuses - details
  • oGs partnership with Team Liquid
  • Prime partnership with WE


PD_TRADE_LIST
Thank God and gunrun.
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
August 17 2011 07:09 GMT
#26
Thanks Prima and Zlasher for compiling all the info. Not too interested in the "debates" that are going on but tracing the lineage of ESPORTS player swaps is pretty interesting. HuK has a very diverse history and I think he moves to what he believes will truly make him the best player.
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 07:29:55
August 17 2011 07:27 GMT
#27
Why are there no TLPD entry for any chinese teams like WE, iG, etc? @.@
Thank God and gunrun.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
August 17 2011 07:34 GMT
#28
well iG isn't really a SC2 team. and WE has never done much other than Loner qualifying in the very earliest parts of the GSL.

And yeah shindigs I mean, if we just want to compile a list of players who have moved from team to team theres plenty to be had from the old beta teams like early ROOT, vT gaming in its early stages was a platform for Painuser and Huk, and other of the smaller teams that have been absorbed by pro orgs like inflow, ONE, whatever checksix's team was named before they went to check six, etc.
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ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 17 2011 08:29 GMT
#29
We need to go deeper.

Naniwa was only on Empire for two months. Most of his major accomplishments and development as a player has happen under the dignitas umbrella. If he left dignitas after a year for more money, I think it would be huge news as Huk.

Sheth and FXO mutually parted on amicable terms. Moreover, Sheth approached Team Liquid after he left FXO. Team Liquid didn't approach him at all while he was on FXO.

Huk was with Millenium for only two months. He s also on VT for only a couple months.

Moreover, the players whoyouve listed isn't comparable to Huk when it comes to the time, resources, monetary, emotional investment that Team Liquid has provided. It's a disservice to Team Liquid fans that you are trying to make a false equivalency.
Don't mind me
VTArlock
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1763 Posts
August 17 2011 18:05 GMT
#30
Ah ZSlasher, so much <3 for you. Most people don't know that HuK started with us during the beta on VT.
Why?
FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
August 17 2011 19:12 GMT
#31
I realize you mean well (or at least hope so), but these threads are devouring the blog section. Is there any reason these threads aren't consolidated (or any reason as to why the people posting them do not just post their thoughts in the other threads)?
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
August 17 2011 23:49 GMT
#32
On August 18 2011 03:05 VTArlock wrote:
Ah ZSlasher, so much <3 for you. Most people don't know that HuK started with us during the beta on VT.


Is it that difficult to spell my name lol I still don't see why people write it with ZS

Anyways yeah, HuK and Painuser I vehemently remember on VT, as well as names like moo and others that have since stopped playing.

ROOT VT and EG were pretty much the top 3 NA teams in early beta, ROOT had like Joseki, Kiwikaki, Catz, drewbie, cauthonluck, qxc, sheth (the latter 3 were considered 3 of the best in the world at the time).
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 00:19:25
August 18 2011 00:11 GMT
#33
Although I agree in essence with what you are saying, your comparisons are terrible. Team Liquid took Huk in as a risk, gave him EVERYTHING, including something which really has never seen before in sc bw or SC2: a prohouse to live in while on a salary and training facilities with koreans while multiple foreigners were also there; a combined korean-foreign prohouse. TL took a risk, and it paid off, as he become our current greatest foreigner, one of few who can compete with every top Korean. In addition, TL is a vastly different team than most others teams, as TL is what this current scene is built upon, a team that belongs to us all and players who can represent our community to everyone, everywhere. I think a lot of us got emotional over the news post, and that just examplifies how different this situation is to what you are posting in the OP.

+ Show Spoiler +

Think this was a reddit post, but a good one
Liquid was the rock upon which the foreign SC:BW community has been built. Other sites and other teams have come and gone, but for as long as I can remember, TeamLiquid.net has always been the lifeblood of the SC community - most importantly during a time where foreign SC:BW was not given any money or attention at all.

Fast forward X years later. ESPORTS is making huge headway with SC2 (not to mention the oodles of dollars being thrown around by Riot and Valve for the MOBA genre). Things seem to be really picking up with GSL, GTSL, MLG, IEM, Assembly, Dreamhack - the list of major tournaments goes on. Team Liquid is still the team championed by the community and old-school players in general.

Now, all of a sudden, a team with more money than TL can possibly hope to have swoops in and offers a TL player a deal they can't pass up. Both teams have agreed that the proceedings have been fair and forthright (though TL doesn't like the fact that they can't match the offer). Why is there such a huge backlash?

Because it means that the scene is growing faster than the community can keep up with. ESPORTS is cyclical - look up EdwardStarcraft's great interview with Jason Lake from Complexity and listen to his story about CPL and the fallout from the collapse of a huge league. Whenever a lot of money gets dumped into the industry, it attracts businessmen who don't necessarily respect the community and who care more about ROI than the game.

This is not to say that EG are these businessmen. Clearly, SirScoots is one of the most passionate ESPORTS fans you'll ever meet. But the idea that TL, the living embodiment of the BW/SC2 community, no longer has a firm grip on their top talent...it's scary.

It means it's time for ESPORTS to sink or swim, and we have no control over it.


Now I also messaged huk to tell him that he made the right choice, because he did. But I'm also happy that people have very strong opinions about this, that people get upset by it and that he can lose fans. Which is why we were tolerant with our moderation. Because THAT shows how the scene is progressing: fans being emotional because they care, fans showing irrationality. If we all just looked at this in a rational way, if everyone could do that, then we'd have a crap scene which noone cared about.

Nothing really compares to this, not even Grubby and Moon moving to MYM. The only thing that seems similar to me is the original SK-gaming CS squad who built SK gaming. But they left for damn good reasons, because SK is a shit company. TL is an AWESOME company and an awesome community.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33343 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 00:25:13
August 18 2011 00:22 GMT
#34
You gotta substantiate how this "risk" is significantly greater to differentiate this from the risk taken on by any team that acquires a player.

And I dunno how that reddit post supports your argument. It reads to me like TL fans are entitled, old fogies who are being dragged kicking and screaming into the present -_-
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
August 18 2011 00:30 GMT
#35
Because TL's team is something totally different, its a selection of the best members in the community, not only playwise, but also regarding behaviour and presentation. TL is the community's team to a large extent, approachable, likeable. And I particularly like the first few sentences of that post.

Huk was a risk, both in skill and in personality. He was an ex 4 gater with a bad reputation... And by recruiting him in TL and sending him to Korea, it could either work very well or lead to utter destruction and many problems. Problems with the TL team do not only reflect on the team, but also on the site and on its community. Nazgul has a keen eye for talent and he was right. And the OP's comparisons are totally silly.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 00:53:16
August 18 2011 00:50 GMT
#36
o.o I don't think I was necessarily arguing against what you've stated Beyonder, my point was just that people need to stop bitching about how EG is fucking evil or that Huk is a sellout due to a business decision. EG entering the bidding for a top player is a good thing, and huk joining a team that offers him more in one sense, in everything having to do with the move OTHER than starcraft 2, it is a good thing that is growing the game.

In a business sense it is a good thing, and players move from team to team all the time.

I'm not saying Huk going from TL to EG is the exact same as any of the other moves, they're not comparisons, they're points that players move from team to team and it needs to be accepted. If you read the actual words of the post you'll see that my point is

1) With success comes suitors
2) It's not a bad thing
3) EG is not evil for doing this
4) We should be happy that OUR community within esports is having free agency reaching THIS stage.
5) The final sentence "Enjoy what we have. We are in a fantastic position in eSports to see Huk rise and be rewarded so greatly for his success"

I'm not denying that Nazgul has a keen eye for talent, although lets be honest he's not perfect either in that regards. But you're bashing my post due to something that was not my intent.

It's not meant to compare Huk directly with the others, its meant to just show point #1, with success comes suitors, and that in turn, becomes point #2, its not a bad thing, which leads to point #4, we should be happy about free agency reaching THIS state and NOT having everyone permanently sticking with one team (some players doing this is always going to happen, look at baseball football basketball whatever you want, free agency is SUPPOSED to look like this)
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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
August 18 2011 01:05 GMT
#37
What teams were TLO and Jinro even on? TLO was ipsRadio or something afaik, and Jinro was just That Moderator Guy.

And it's not like waves of dislike are anything new, before it was NASL and now it's SC2con. With a 600+ page hype thread it was only to be expected.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
August 18 2011 09:40 GMT
#38
Because you said that to incite rational reactions from people. My point. although poorly explained, was to try to show you why the better ESPORTS thing here is people not acting rational.
Moderator
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
August 18 2011 10:17 GMT
#39
On August 18 2011 18:40 Beyonder wrote:
Because you said that to incite rational reactions from people. My point. although poorly explained, was to try to show you why the better ESPORTS thing here is people not acting rational.


Touche good sir
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 12:17:26
August 18 2011 12:15 GMT
#40
On August 18 2011 09:11 Beyonder wrote:
Although I agree in essence with what you are saying, your comparisons are terrible. Team Liquid took Huk in as a risk, gave him EVERYTHING, including something which really has never seen before in sc bw or SC2: a prohouse to live in while on a salary and training facilities with koreans while multiple foreigners were also there; a combined korean-foreign prohouse. TL took a risk, and it paid off.



i think its worth pointing out that liquid made a huge profit purely in terms of the money they spend on huk compared to how much they sold him for. im not disagreeing with you but, TL DID take a risk, and it paid off, in the monetary sense too.


On August 18 2011 09:22 Waxangel wrote:
And I dunno how that reddit post supports your argument. It reads to me like TL fans are entitled, old fogies who are being dragged kicking and screaming into the present -_-


are you saying they arent?
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