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yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
August 13 2009 11:48 GMT
#1
I try, I really try.

I'm on ICC, I downloaded the maps, the launcher, the wtf latency plugin but I don't get it.

It takes half an hour for me to start a game, where:

1. I lag
2. I lose in 3 minutes

I don't understand the way it works (not the game, bnet, iccup).

At least when I played wc3, I had a fucking ladder, where I could just click "Play" and get games. SC is just a pain in the ass to learn, I don't know how you guy proceed to actually PLAY but it seems that I missed the tutorial somewhere...

Fuck this

*
nospeech
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
August 13 2009 11:54 GMT
#2
On August 13 2009 20:48 yejin wrote:
I try, I really try.

I'm on ICC, I downloaded the maps, the launcher, the wtf latency plugin but I don't get it.

It takes half an hour for me to start a game, where:

1. I lag
2. I lose in 3 minutes

I don't understand the way it works (not the game, bnet, iccup).

At least when I played wc3, I had a fucking ladder, where I could just click "Play" and get games. SC is just a pain in the ass to learn, I don't know how you guy proceed to actually PLAY but it seems that I missed the tutorial somewhere...

Fuck this

your fucking right, i play wc3 and when i started playing fucking starcraft i sucked dick and wanted to quit too.
but at least i didn't blame lag and actually took the time to figure out what the fuck was going on
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
August 13 2009 11:56 GMT
#3
Sorry about your luck, but seriously, if you don't have the patience to get ICCUP running, you likely wouldn't play too many games before quitting anyway.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
August 13 2009 11:57 GMT
#4
portforward.com

and learn to play, quit whining.
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
August 13 2009 11:58 GMT
#5
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/sc_start.html

dont bitch about things 99% of the bw players understand in seconds
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yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
August 13 2009 11:58 GMT
#6
i have ICC running, I'm on it now, it just takes forever to have ONE game.
nospeech
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
August 13 2009 12:00 GMT
#7
just click "join" and then doubleclick a fucking game.

whats so hard?

protip: join only D games in the beginning otherwise they kick you......geez
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Jusciax
Profile Joined August 2007
Lithuania588 Posts
August 13 2009 12:00 GMT
#8
No it doesn't, just ask in channel and you'll get it, or even better - host it yourself if you're capable.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
August 13 2009 12:02 GMT
#9
in my experience, iccup has made finding actual 1v1 games much easier than before

you've got plenty of options:
1. hosting your own game
2. joining another game from the list
3. spam channel asking for someone to host
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
August 13 2009 12:04 GMT
#10
he's probally lagging hard.
ayou probally need to forward port 6112.
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
August 13 2009 12:05 GMT
#11
I ask you to consider the possibility that it is you, and not StarCraft, that sucks.
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
August 13 2009 12:07 GMT
#12
So its you and your net that suck not starcraft?
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
August 13 2009 12:08 GMT
#13
Nah I'm not lagging. I can't join most of the games because we must be several people trying double clicking all game names like mad which results in games full all the time.

I can join when someone gives me the game name // password but you guys need to realize this is very boring to do. I know I'm whining but hey, that's my right !

Also, about D- I'm seriously beginning SC. I have basics build orders vs P or vs Z. I know my micro sucks but I've been watching enough VODs to know my basics. I get COMPLETELY crushed by any opponents.

It's like I'm doing my 7th SCV and I'm being Reaver dropped. Also, vs Zerg, I always face 5 pool which I have a lot of trouble countering.

Finally, vs Protoss, I have good timing on my first tank + walling to defend the first zeal + goons but I lose a lot to 2-gates. Just 8 dragoons going rampage in my base all the time, destroying the walling.

So hard.
nospeech
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
August 13 2009 12:09 GMT
#14
[x] W3 player
[x] French
[x] the above translate into whining about SC being hard.

What more could you ask for?
Complete the cycle!
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
August 13 2009 12:12 GMT
#15
Stop saying I suck and not SC.

1. I know that
2. You didnt fucking read what I said

I said it's HARD to get a game running, harder than wc3, harder than most games. Why cant you take a critic about SC for christ sake ?
nospeech
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 12:13:50
August 13 2009 12:12 GMT
#16
On August 13 2009 21:09 Naib wrote:
[x] W3 player
[x] French
[x] the above translate into whining about SC being hard.

What more could you ask for?


I could ask for a blowjob

+ me being French is very relevant here. You wanna go into this direction, really, HUNGARY ?
nospeech
SarenS
Profile Joined January 2006
France36 Posts
August 13 2009 12:13 GMT
#17
what about french ?
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
August 13 2009 12:15 GMT
#18
I'm pissed.

I never blamed my loss on SC. I'm ready to lose 600 hundred games, NP.

I'm just saying the "meta" game is not easy to put your hands on (bnet, ladder, custom games, latency, firewalls, etc.)

nospeech
dasanivan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States532 Posts
August 13 2009 12:16 GMT
#19
when i host i get games in like 4 seconds. the only problem now is winning

if you can't host forward your ports, it's worth learning so you can play certain other games online too.
dasanivan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States532 Posts
August 13 2009 12:17 GMT
#20
eh, i don't understand what the difficulty is exactly with you and bnet. interface trouble?
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 12:20:41
August 13 2009 12:18 GMT
#21
On August 13 2009 21:09 Naib wrote:
[x] W3 player
[x] French
[x] the above translate into whining about SC being hard.

What more could you ask for?

I got the French joke......lol, I was about to type that but I could get banned.

but yeah, if you don't have the patience to learn to play SC then you're better off playing something else. Try geting the basics right against an AI. Then try getting it right over at iccup/bnet, but you'll get raped vs real guys...patience..really.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
August 13 2009 12:19 GMT
#22
Play the campaign. Then play the computer. Then get the advanced AIs. Then try the even more advanced AIs that get free resources, or try Iccup.
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
August 13 2009 12:23 GMT
#23
true, starcraft is boring
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
August 13 2009 12:30 GMT
#24
The correct spelling would be "hungarian" if you want to retaliate and "go into that direction" LOL. Call me one full of prejudices, but crappy English grammar + massive rage and name-calling = instantly associated with being French. At least on teh interwebz. Tough luck, buddy.
Complete the cycle!
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
August 13 2009 12:34 GMT
#25
Dude what the fuck. Of all the things you can whine about... you pick the single most insignificant thing.

It's impossible not to find a game within 30seconds at D ranks. Possibilities:

1. You don't have AH enabled (type /ah in the chat room and check)
2. You join games advertised as D+/C-/C/C+/B- etc.
3. Your connection sucks.
4. You're stupid.
5. You're inexperienced as hell with games in general.

Have you seriously not played a game before where you have had to type game names to join? Or pick from a list of servers? Ever clicked on that button that says "Custom games" in Wc3? No? I'd bet it would take you 5 hours to join a server on Counterstrike if you'd ever try, cuz steam sucks, they don't have a PLAY button.

rofl. bullcrap.



Hot77.iEy
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Finland1486 Posts
August 13 2009 12:34 GMT
#26
Well have a nap, then fire ze missiles!
-.-
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 13 2009 12:39 GMT
#27
On August 13 2009 21:12 yejin wrote:
Stop saying I suck and not SC.

1. I know that
2. You didnt fucking read what I said

I said it's HARD to get a game running, harder than wc3, harder than most games. Why cant you take a critic about SC for christ sake ?

It is harder than WC3 (to get a game running), but I think you are exaggerating / having some bad luck.

In my experience, finding a D level game takes about 5 seconds on ICCUP. Hell, just create the game yourself and people will join almost instantly (as long as it's the MOTW).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
hcliff454
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada127 Posts
August 13 2009 12:42 GMT
#28
On August 13 2009 21:34 Hot77.iEy wrote:
Well have a nap, then fire ze missiles!


...teehee

ps you're in the wrong place for bitching about starcraft. just use the search to see if other people have had the same problems on iccup that you do instead of making a thread bitching about how much the entire process sucks and that w3 is waaay better.
dworn it -lz
Lurgee
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia252 Posts
August 13 2009 12:42 GMT
#29
On August 13 2009 21:13 SarenS wrote:
what about french ?


They have the best tacticians in the world!
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4641 Posts
August 13 2009 12:44 GMT
#30
On August 13 2009 21:42 Lurgee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 21:13 SarenS wrote:
what about french ?


They have the best tacticians in the world!

And military!
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 13 2009 12:44 GMT
#31
Post a less intimidating title for it next time thx.
In the woods, there lurks..
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
August 13 2009 12:45 GMT
#32
Double click launcher
Click on starcraft
Press "Run"
then type
"m,e, enter, (acc/password) enter, alt+j"
double click on game
If it's full, click on a different game
type gg
play

Is it THAT hard??
lots of people seem to do it fine..
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 13 2009 12:52 GMT
#33
if no one joins your games take a little time to figure out which maps are actually played

out of the selection of maps of the week it's usually only 2-3 maps that people will actually play on because the others are shitty 2v2 maps or eclectic imbalanced maps that somehow enter the rotation
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
August 13 2009 12:54 GMT
#34
On August 13 2009 21:34 LaLuSh wrote:
It's impossible not to find a game within 30seconds at D ranks. Possibilities:

4. You're stupid.


We have a winner!
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
August 13 2009 12:56 GMT
#35
more like fuck you you pussy fuck
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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 13:04 GMT
#36
On August 13 2009 21:08 yejin wrote:
Also, about D- I'm seriously beginning SC. I have basics build orders vs P or vs Z. I know my micro sucks but I've been watching enough VODs to know my basics. I get COMPLETELY crushed by any opponents.

It's like I'm doing my 7th SCV and I'm being Reaver dropped. Also, vs Zerg, I always face 5 pool which I have a lot of trouble countering.

If you only got your 7th SCV as the reaver is dropped, you're seriously doing something wrong whether you're counting the first 4 SCVs or not. At D- level, it's normal to get crushed by any opponent.

On August 13 2009 21:08 yejin wrote:
So hard.

You just started playing. Starcraft is not a game you can learn overnight. Hell you can take months or even years to be semi-decent. Starcraft is not easy. Live with it or gtfo tyvm.


As for the complaints about not getting any games, as many people have said, go to portforward.com, forward your ports and create games on your own using icc motw maps. If you don't know what they are, type /motw in icc and you'll get a list. If you follow this, people will join your games in a matter of seconds.
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 13:11 GMT
#37
On August 13 2009 21:12 yejin wrote:
Why cant you take a critic about SC for christ sake ?

You're trash talking Starcraft in a Starcraft community site. Chances are you won't get positive responses.
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
August 13 2009 13:14 GMT
#38
I'm having fun :D!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
August 13 2009 13:14 GMT
#39
On August 13 2009 21:09 Naib wrote:
[x] W3 player
[x] French
[x] the above translate into whining about SC being hard.

What more could you ask for?

looooool
POGGERS
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
August 13 2009 13:20 GMT
#40
On August 13 2009 20:57 Piste wrote:
portforward.com

and learn to play, quit whining.


+1

i mean FFS google?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
August 13 2009 13:23 GMT
#41
I hate reading these comments about him being stupid and stuff like that. First of all, it seems like most of you have read through the lines and didn't understand one thing.

He is complaining that in Starcraft it is hard to get into a position to actually play a game against some opponent.. That is right. It doesn't take 30 minutes to join a game at D level of course, but I know, as a person who can't host a game it takes some time to join one.

He even mentioned - he double clicks on the games and can't get into the game. Doesn't this sound familiar to you? Now, the best option for him of course would be to be able to host a game. If it is impossible there's one thing about bnet maybe he doesn't know. You have press join, double click some game and if it doesn't work in 10 seconds, go back to channel and press join again. Because this way you will get a fresh list of games and have a better chance to find an empty game.

And of course at the begining join just D/D- games, this is something you probably know already. Hope that helps.
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Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
August 13 2009 13:25 GMT
#42
yejin

since you claim to be D- and are having trouble getting iccup running, i suggest just playing some 2v2v2v2 BGH games or 3v3 BGH games on USEast. Not only is finding a game worlds easier, but it gives you the opportunity to work on broad fundamentals (macro/keeping your money at 0, unit composition, positional considerations, some micro, handspeed, hotkey comfort, basic multitasking). Moreover, they are SUPER fun especially if you have a friend! Once you've played a hundred or so games of that, your brain will feel much more relaxed and you'll probably be able to reach D+ with much more ease.

in other words, be glad you're having iccup troubles! go play some fun games so that you can take a break from your issues , bash some scrubs, AND improve!! :D
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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
August 13 2009 13:25 GMT
#43
can you beat a computer?

what i recommend you do is get a pro replay of each of your matchups. you play terran, so obviously get a TvT, TvZ and TvP. in each of those games, assuming both of the players play standard, write down the terran build order. then, go into single player and execute this build order against a computer. if you do it perfectly you will have no trouble maintaining a D record. terran is one of those races where you seriously can win games just by macroing hard, so a great way to start is to just memorize a build order.
dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
August 13 2009 13:26 GMT
#44
On August 13 2009 21:39 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 21:12 yejin wrote:
Stop saying I suck and not SC.

1. I know that
2. You didnt fucking read what I said

I said it's HARD to get a game running, harder than wc3, harder than most games. Why cant you take a critic about SC for christ sake ?

It is harder than WC3 (to get a game running), but I think you are exaggerating / having some bad luck.

In my experience, finding a D level game takes about 5 seconds on ICCUP. Hell, just create the game yourself and people will join almost instantly (as long as it's the MOTW).

Unless the MOTW sucks, like this week, all the games i've been seeing are on outsider.

But non-motw maps that usually attract a lot of people are python and destination, and you could probably get away with blue storm, othello, heartbreak ridge, and neo medusa. But don't make it on LT or some random map in the mappack.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 13 2009 13:26 GMT
#45
I'm confused, you have the internet capabilities to play wc3 w/o lag but not to play starcraft? The set-up can be a bitch (especially if you're not computer oriented) but it's not particularly brutal. Can someone explain to me what forwarding my ports means? What are my ports, I honestly have no idea what that means but I would like to be able to host games
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
closed
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vatican City State491 Posts
August 13 2009 13:29 GMT
#46
Try turning off lag latency. It is nice, but for some people it causes gigantic lags. Of course most people will refuse to play with you if you turn it off (because this affects their "uber D+ micro"), but there is a chance that the lag will end.
SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
August 13 2009 13:30 GMT
#47
If you think it sucks and are so negative no one needs you here. Quit, I don't think people are concerned about some guy who can't play SC. Want to get better? Don't whine, go to Liquipedia and play games. Simple, amirite?
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KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
August 13 2009 13:40 GMT
#48
On August 13 2009 21:12 yejin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 21:09 Naib wrote:
[x] W3 player
[x] French
[x] the above translate into whining about SC being hard.

What more could you ask for?


I could ask for a blowjob

+ me being French is very relevant here. You wanna go into this direction, really, HUNGARY ?


Lol pwned.

But on-topic tho.
Imo ive been playing starcraft for years and i still suck, some people just are destined to suck at certain games(like me and you) and never get good at them unless u dedicate ur life to it(which we wont). Im only playing UMS on battle.net nowadays, im to shitty to do anything else.
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yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
August 13 2009 13:45 GMT
#49
Thank you very much to the people who understood my frustration and gave me information about Starcraft Bnet, ICCUP, BGH etc.

To all the haters:

I'm someone motivated, you judge me because I'm a WC3 player ? I watch the OSL, the MSL, the PL Finals. I play on Liquibet, I download replays, I play on hamachi with friends, I obs the games with better players to learn.

If you trashtalk people like me when they think something is hard to learn, that community is really fucked up.

Thanks to everyone else, see you on ICC
nospeech
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
August 13 2009 13:48 GMT
#50
Oh and by the way, going "lol French, nice military" REALLY makes TL above WCReplays or 4Chan. Sad.
nospeech
Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 13:53:04
August 13 2009 13:52 GMT
#51
You come in on a starcraft fan website, saying starcraft is bad. What did you expect? We dont owe you anything you whiny little frenchie so stop acting like a victim. Get off your lazy ass and look things up (read: Liquipedia)
Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss
Kletus
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
August 13 2009 14:02 GMT
#52
How to host games on ICCUP:

1. Go into your router GUI by typing it in your browser, it's usually 192.168.2.1 or 192.168.1.1

2. You may need a username/password, these usually come in the box with the router on a peice of paper or in an instruction guide that came in the same box. If you can't find it, ask your dad or mom :3.

3. Locate the security settings/port forward/open ports, the router GUI is different for each supplier so if you have a hard time finding it, google.

4. Open port 6112 TCP/UDP for your PC. To check your IP address follow these steps:
i. hit windowskey+r
ii. type cmd and press enter.
iii. type in ipconfig, locate your local IPv4 address, that's it.

5. Log onto iccup, do a /motw and pick a map you like.

6. host a game, I use the title "1:1D motw no r"

7. ???

8. Come back to teamliquid and whine about 1a2a3a.
Your resistance only serves to make my carapace harder.
pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 14:05:29
August 13 2009 14:03 GMT
#53
I actually agree with you, I get very annoyed with trying to play SC since there's basically no way in hell to get decent practice (unless you can speak Korean).
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 14:03 GMT
#54
Welcome to TL.net
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Lurgee
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia252 Posts
August 13 2009 14:04 GMT
#55
On August 13 2009 22:45 yejin wrote:
Thank you very much to the people who understood my frustration and gave me information about Starcraft Bnet, ICCUP, BGH etc.

To all the haters:

I'm someone motivated, you judge me because I'm a WC3 player ? I watch the OSL, the MSL, the PL Finals. I play on Liquibet, I download replays, I play on hamachi with friends, I obs the games with better players to learn.

If you trashtalk people like me when they think something is hard to learn, that community is really fucked up.

Thanks to everyone else, see you on ICC


Seriously Starcraft Sucks


We aren't judging you because you are a WC3 player haha.
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
August 13 2009 14:06 GMT
#56
I can host at home (night) but not at the office (day). The best would be to have an IRC chan with D / D- players willing to custom game.

There are a few ICCUP channels like that but they were all sleepy when I went there.

My 6112 / 6114 is forwarded at home, I cant do that at work.
nospeech
hahajokes
Profile Joined August 2009
Burundi6 Posts
August 13 2009 14:06 GMT
#57
man don't play iccup

BGH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iccup
hardeharhar
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 14:08 GMT
#58
On August 13 2009 22:45 yejin wrote:
If you trashtalk people like me when they think something is hard to learn, that community is really fucked up.

If you want to ask help, ask nicely. You don't come to a Starcraft community site and say something like "Starcraft sucks. It's hard to get games. It's hard to play the game. The game sucks."

Did you really expect people to react nicely? It's not what you were saying that caused people to trashtalk you. It's how you said it. Ask nicely and people answer nicely. Ask rudely and people answer rudely. Sure there are a couple of idiots and trolls here and there but those get dealt with most of the time.

Before you start calling this community fucked up, take a look at yourself and realize that it is you and your actions that are fucked up which is why you are not welcomed by most.
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
August 13 2009 14:09 GMT
#59
On August 13 2009 21:17 dasanivan wrote:
eh, i don't understand what the difficulty is exactly with you and bnet. interface trouble?


refresh, double click, full, refresh double click, full, refresh double click D+, refresh double click, full, refresh, double click, kicked, refresh double click.

But yeah, I'm a whiny little bitch :D
nospeech
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 14:11:30
August 13 2009 14:10 GMT
#60
On August 13 2009 22:45 yejin wrote:
Thank you very much to the people who understood my frustration and gave me information about Starcraft Bnet, ICCUP, BGH etc.

To all the haters:

I'm someone motivated, you judge me because I'm a WC3 player ? I watch the OSL, the MSL, the PL Finals. I play on Liquibet, I download replays, I play on hamachi with friends, I obs the games with better players to learn.

If you trashtalk people like me when they think something is hard to learn, that community is really fucked up.

Thanks to everyone else, see you on ICC

you're probably the biggest idiot on TL I have ever seen, and the community comment is hilarious because WCR forums is probably the worst POS ever, i'd rather read 4chan

btw when I first learned about iccup in season 1 it took me literally 5minutes to download it including maps and starting a game, you should keep playing war3
You can't fight the feeling.
Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6771 Posts
August 13 2009 14:20 GMT
#61
hey guys so this game called life is way too hard fu
alt+qq
Graphics
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 13 2009 14:30 GMT
#62
I love the fact that it's almost entirely european people bashing the guy for being french rather than americans. The title of the thread was the whole reason, the actual first post wasn't that bad.
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
August 13 2009 14:32 GMT
#63
I heard gas stealing is gay, so i tried it on another Terran. Turns out it is. Maybe you were that Terran?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 13 2009 14:42 GMT
#64
On August 13 2009 23:09 yejin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 21:17 dasanivan wrote:
eh, i don't understand what the difficulty is exactly with you and bnet. interface trouble?


refresh, double click, full, refresh double click, full, refresh double click D+, refresh double click, full, refresh, double click, kicked, refresh double click.

But yeah, I'm a whiny little bitch :D

As has been said before, if you can't join one, host. If you can't host, forward port 6112.

Nothing terribly complicated.
Moderator
SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
August 13 2009 14:48 GMT
#65
On August 13 2009 22:52 Red_Storm wrote:
You come in on a starcraft fan website, saying starcraft is bad. What did you expect? We dont owe you anything you whiny little frenchie so stop acting like a victim. Get off your lazy ass and look things up (read: Liquipedia)


qft
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imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1366 Posts
August 13 2009 14:57 GMT
#66
On August 13 2009 23:09 yejin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 21:17 dasanivan wrote:
eh, i don't understand what the difficulty is exactly with you and bnet. interface trouble?


refresh, double click, full, refresh double click, full, refresh double click D+, refresh double click, full, refresh, double click, kicked, refresh double click.

But yeah, I'm a whiny little bitch :D

yes you are

3vs3 random teams (wc3)
Player 1 : From?
Player 2 : France
Player 1 has left the game
Player 3 has left the game
Player 2 : ...

i dont know why but french guys are considered the biggest noobs in europe





...forwarding ports will help you if you really need 30 minutes to find a game
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
August 13 2009 15:07 GMT
#67
Guys you are fucking awful, he just wanted to whine a little and get some sympathy, Hang in there buddy! winning a starcraft game is better than sex.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 15:09:38
August 13 2009 15:08 GMT
#68
Lol @ French haters :D

Yejin tu es pas très doué quand même :<
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 13 2009 15:20 GMT
#69
I like starcraft.

Anyone else?
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
August 13 2009 15:25 GMT
#70
same here, even if I lose a lot like french dude!

But how's WC3 going? I mean they do have grubby the best wc3 player outside of korea. ^^
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
August 13 2009 15:28 GMT
#71
On August 13 2009 21:02 Realpenguin wrote:
in my experience, iccup has made finding actual 1v1 games much easier than before

you've got plenty of options:
1. hosting your own game
2. joining another game from the list
3. spam channel asking for someone to host

I find it way easier too. Plus, this way you can get someone that's at the same approximate skill level. <3 ICCup
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 13 2009 16:01 GMT
#72
You suck. Starcraft rocks.
Brood War loyalist
Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 16:05:38
August 13 2009 16:03 GMT
#73
Lol pussy

StarCraft is really fucking hard, yes, but don't you dare say it sucks.

The automated matchmaking thing in WarCraft 3 pisses a lot of people off. There's a lot more freedom with being able to choose your opponent.

I figured out joining games is a waste of time on ICCup. I always just host my own, because other people's lag, fill up too fast, ban for stupid reasons, all only play Python.

Also, judging from your post, you picked Terran to start with as a race. I, and a lot of others personally find Terran the hardest

I know everybody suggests this and it gets really annoying, but try playing Protoss. Then you can just 1a2a3a over all terrans D+ and lower : D. *dodges shoe thrown by angry Protoss player*
FUCKING GAY LAGS
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
August 13 2009 16:06 GMT
#74
On August 13 2009 21:02 Realpenguin wrote:
in my experience, iccup has made finding actual 1v1 games much easier than before

you've got plenty of options:
1. hosting your own game
2. joining another game from the list
3. spam channel asking for someone to host

Definitely true. Games on battle.net are so much more obnoxious. Either you rape them, they rape you, lag, or some other random problems throughout the game.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
August 13 2009 16:09 GMT
#75
On August 14 2009 00:20 heyoka wrote:
I like starcraft.

Anyone else?

not me
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
August 13 2009 16:12 GMT
#76
On August 14 2009 01:09 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 00:20 heyoka wrote:
I like starcraft.

Anyone else?

not me



LOL at this irony ^_^
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
August 13 2009 16:25 GMT
#77
On August 14 2009 01:12 Licmyobelisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 01:09 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On August 14 2009 00:20 heyoka wrote:
I like starcraft.

Anyone else?

not me



LOL at this irony ^_^


lol, took me a second to see that.
hi
TheRunawayFound
Profile Joined March 2009
64 Posts
August 13 2009 16:39 GMT
#78
GO BATTLENET DAMN IT!
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 13 2009 16:46 GMT
#79
You can also ask for a practice partner on TL. Practice + make friend = win
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
August 13 2009 16:49 GMT
#80
On August 13 2009 23:06 yejin wrote:
I can host at home (night) but not at the office (day). The best would be to have an IRC chan with D / D- players willing to custom game.

There are a few ICCUP channels like that but they were all sleepy when I went there.

My 6112 / 6114 is forwarded at home, I cant do that at work.


join channel op irc on iccup
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
August 13 2009 17:07 GMT
#81
Well I can see you are very frustrated, and that is very common among new players. How long have you been playing? You said you were just beggining and you are D- already.

Before I begin, Please go to the stategy section and go to the begginer section and read and understand the concepts presented there, including DAy[9]'s podcasts.

Here is some advice that helped me. Also TL.net search "guide to self improvement." Alot of what I am going to say is from that guide. Finally. use Liquipedia.

1) Do not complain. Do not blog about it, do no go into a nerd rage session. I found that it only hurts, and weakens you.

2) You just started. You need to actually play some games, and for the lag thing, just google starcraft portforwarding, and the link to portforward.com (usually the first one) will have a 6/5 star guide as to how to do it properly. Then you host your own games, and let people join. This is a very fast method. You should also find some friends that play sc, or join a clan. Having people who you can discuss starcraft with regularly really helps you improve.

3) VODS will not get you nowhere. Yeah you can analyze army positioning and little micro moves, but you can not see everything, and I found that it was hard when the Korean commentators are screaming "RIBARIBARBIA GGGGGGGG." I got too excited, and maybe you are too.

4) Watch replays of your favourite players, with a learning mindset. Analyze the strategy, the building placement, and the build order that goes along with the stategy. For example, I recently watched many White-RA replays and learned I was executing Corsair/Dark templar all wrong. Also, sometimes they build is different in different situations, as you must react to what your opponent is doing, or because the features of the map do not allow/allow certain plays

5) Play with a learning mindset. For example, I just recently got pwned in a PvT by a friend because he killed almost all my probes. Why? because my defence was not adequate enough. Now I learned that I must build either cannons or leave some units at the bases in order to protect my workers.

6) Play alot. This is a very practical game, and the only way you can learn is through practice.
7) When you read things, make sure you are understanding why they say the things they are. Sometimes, you will learn something, and then not do it in game until you experience a severe loss because you did not do it in game.

8) Have fun with it. You will find losing is fun to, because you will say "oh my god, that was a sick strategy" or, "jeez that guy has some good macro" or something.
If in the end after following all of this, you still hate this game, then by all means quit. For me, this is a huge hobby, and not every has to like it, but please, for your own sake, try some of the things I have presented.
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
August 13 2009 17:08 GMT
#82
On August 14 2009 01:09 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 00:20 heyoka wrote:
I like starcraft.

Anyone else?

not me



and this is why you'll be an SCV forever. bahaha.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
August 13 2009 17:12 GMT
#83
On August 14 2009 02:07 Sharp-eYe wrote:
Well I can see you are very frustrated, and that is very common among new players. How long have you been playing? You said you were just beggining and you are D- already.

Before I begin, Please go to the stategy section and go to the begginer section and read and understand the concepts presented there, including DAy[9]'s podcasts.

Here is some advice that helped me. Also TL.net search "guide to self improvement." Alot of what I am going to say is from that guide. Finally. use Liquipedia.

1) Do not complain. Do not blog about it, do no go into a nerd rage session. I found that it only hurts, and weakens you.

2) You just started. You need to actually play some games, and for the lag thing, just google starcraft portforwarding, and the link to portforward.com (usually the first one) will have a 6/5 star guide as to how to do it properly. Then you host your own games, and let people join. This is a very fast method. You should also find some friends that play sc, or join a clan. Having people who you can discuss starcraft with regularly really helps you improve.

3) VODS will not get you nowhere. Yeah you can analyze army positioning and little micro moves, but you can not see everything, and I found that it was hard when the Korean commentators are screaming "RIBARIBARBIA GGGGGGGG." I got too excited, and maybe you are too.

4) Watch replays of your favourite players, with a learning mindset. Analyze the strategy, the building placement, and the build order that goes along with the stategy. For example, I recently watched many White-RA replays and learned I was executing Corsair/Dark templar all wrong. Also, sometimes they build is different in different situations, as you must react to what your opponent is doing, or because the features of the map do not allow/allow certain plays

5) Play with a learning mindset. For example, I just recently got pwned in a PvT by a friend because he killed almost all my probes. Why? because my defence was not adequate enough. Now I learned that I must build either cannons or leave some units at the bases in order to protect my workers.

6) Play alot. This is a very practical game, and the only way you can learn is through practice.
7) When you read things, make sure you are understanding why they say the things they are. Sometimes, you will learn something, and then not do it in game until you experience a severe loss because you did not do it in game.

8) Have fun with it. You will find losing is fun to, because you will say "oh my god, that was a sick strategy" or, "jeez that guy has some good macro" or something.
If in the end after following all of this, you still hate this game, then by all means quit. For me, this is a huge hobby, and not every has to like it, but please, for your own sake, try some of the things I have presented.


<3 thanks !
nospeech
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
August 13 2009 17:28 GMT
#84
You should also find some friends that play sc, or join a clan. Having people who you can discuss starcraft with regularly really helps you improve.

On August 14 2009 01:49 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 23:06 yejin wrote:
I can host at home (night) but not at the office (day). The best would be to have an IRC chan with D / D- players willing to custom game.

There are a few ICCUP channels like that but they were all sleepy when I went there.

My 6112 / 6114 is forwarded at home, I cant do that at work.


join channel op irc on iccup


qft 1st thing I do after looging in is /j op irc
It's strange I want to play more when I'm away from my PC for several days >.<
wwww
Refrige
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States179 Posts
August 13 2009 18:16 GMT
#85
park yejin or son yejin
who is this
deverlight
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Korea (South)463 Posts
August 13 2009 18:25 GMT
#86
I've also found that finding a better player who can game with you and show you the basics is a very good way to improve. You may think that you're following the build orders well and everything, but a better player will be able to give you a basic sense of timings and game logic (the REASON behind the build orders).

I'm not a great player myself, but I'd be willing to help if you're interested You can PM me and we'll set something up.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
August 13 2009 19:00 GMT
#87
I forgot one ,more thing:

9) You must think in game alot. Ex. "He is going 1 gate reaver against me, what do I do." repeatdly doing this will help alot.
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
August 13 2009 19:41 GMT
#88
Dude, i get on icc, host "1:1D MOTW" and in 10 seconds someone has joined, most of the time there is little lag, and since i play D players the matches are usually good(though i lose more then i win)
DJ, put it back on!
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
August 13 2009 20:44 GMT
#89
On August 13 2009 22:25 Day[9] wrote:
yejin

since you claim to be D- and are having trouble getting iccup running, i suggest just playing some 2v2v2v2 BGH games or 3v3 BGH games on USEast. Not only is finding a game worlds easier, but it gives you the opportunity to work on broad fundamentals (macro/keeping your money at 0, unit composition, positional considerations, some micro, handspeed, hotkey comfort, basic multitasking). Moreover, they are SUPER fun especially if you have a friend! Once you've played a hundred or so games of that, your brain will feel much more relaxed and you'll probably be able to reach D+ with much more ease.

in other words, be glad you're having iccup troubles! go play some fun games so that you can take a break from your issues , bash some scrubs, AND improve!! :D

I fully endorse this.

It's how I got to D+

;D
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
August 13 2009 21:05 GMT
#90
So many racist pricks and idiots in this topic... it doesn't show a good side of TL very much. I'm ashamed. Where's the moderation when you need it?
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
August 13 2009 21:44 GMT
#91
On August 14 2009 06:05 Shade692003 wrote:
So many racist pricks and idiots in this topic... it doesn't show a good side of TL very much. I'm ashamed. Where's the moderation when you need it?


i just had an argument with my friend today
if im walking towards canadian border wearing speedos/flip flops and otherwise completely naked
my chest and legs are hairy and my skin is pale
i smile and wave at a border patrol
will they check my drivers license or wave back and not interfere?
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
Viledica
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada361 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 21:53:06
August 13 2009 21:52 GMT
#92
On August 14 2009 06:44 food wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 06:05 Shade692003 wrote:
So many racist pricks and idiots in this topic... it doesn't show a good side of TL very much. I'm ashamed. Where's the moderation when you need it?


i just had an argument with my friend today
if im walking towards canadian border wearing speedos/flip flops and otherwise completely naked
my chest and legs are hairy and my skin is pale
i smile and wave at a border patrol
will they check my drivers license or wave back and not interfere?


lol, what?
That's completely random, but I would say that they're only checking if you cross the border, not if you go near it.

What you're wearing and what you look like is irrelevant. :o
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
August 13 2009 22:30 GMT
#93
cuz yous a NOOB
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
August 13 2009 22:36 GMT
#94
I definitely agree with the OP. But this is really only because the game is over 10 years old, they didn't plan it out well enough.
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 22:59 GMT
#95
lol, whenever I host a game it fills within 10-30 seconds
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 14 2009 01:37 GMT
#96
On August 14 2009 06:05 Shade692003 wrote:
So many racist pricks and idiots in this topic... it doesn't show a good side of TL very much. I'm ashamed. Where's the moderation when you need it?

GO RIDE YOUR MOOSE, BEAVERHEAD.
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
August 14 2009 09:43 GMT
#97
On August 14 2009 06:05 Shade692003 wrote:
So many racist pricks and idiots in this topic... it doesn't show a good side of TL very much. I'm ashamed. Where's the moderation when you need it?

lol you're just asking for it aren't you?
You can't fight the feeling.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 19 2009 02:39 GMT
#98
On August 13 2009 22:48 yejin wrote:
Oh and by the way, going "lol French, nice military" REALLY makes TL above WCReplays or 4Chan. Sad.


4chan is amazing, what are you talking about.
:)
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