• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:24
CEST 22:24
KST 05:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202534Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced50BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Serral wins EWC 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup Weeklies and Monthlies Info Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Scmdraft 2 - 0.9.0 Preview [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder BW General Discussion Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 641 users

Blackwater - Corporate Mercenaries

Blogs > {CC}StealthBlue
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-11 05:46:32
August 11 2009 05:33 GMT
#1
[image loading]


http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Blackwater/Jeremy-Scahill/e/9781568583945/?itm=1

The unauthorized story of the epic rise of one of the most powerful and secretive forces to emerge from the U.S. military-industrial complex, hailed by the Bush administration as a revolution in military affairs, but considered by others as a dire threat to American democracy.


Though I am still in the process of reading the Book I find it rather interesting, as well as disturbing and the principal behind the guy named Erik Prince.



There are several accusations towards Blackwater and its many other divisions that are connected to it of Weapon Smuggling. One such accusation being that Blackwater was supplying the PKK with weapons, cash, and other forms of aid of which the company had denied. But the interesting things is from Turkish forces:

Turkish security forces have started recovering US made rifles and pistols from dead PKK militants.


In the United States, officials in Washington said the smuggling investigation grew from internal Pentagon and State Department inquiries into U.S. weapons that had gone missing in Iraq. It gained steam after Turkish authorities protested to the U.S. in July that they had seized American arms from the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, rebels.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKK

The PKK, which is fighting for an independent Kurdistan, is banned in Turkey, which has a restive Kurdish population and is considered a “foreign terrorist organization” by the State Department. That designation bars U.S. citizens or those in U.S. jurisdictions from supporting the group in any way.


More Accusations/Evidence:





Along with the current investigation of the Nisoor Square Massacre, along with other random acts of violence:

Her husband was working as a security guard at the Iraqi Media Network, a state broadcaster, when a Blackwater convoy passed them one day in 2007. She says that without warning, the Iraqis were fired upon and three of them were killed. The Blackwater convoy never stopped or sent anyone to check what happened.


Abu Suhad lost his daughter in 2007 when she was driving her car near the Iraqi Foreign Ministry in central Baghdad. He said: “Eyewitnesses told me that four white Blackwater cars went by her. Three were already past when the last one shot her in the head at close range and killed her. The eyewitnesses said they were very bewildered why they shot her. The bullet came from the driver’s window, which means that he got next to her when he shot her. The bullet entered from under the ear and left from the upper side of her skull. There were bits of her hair and skin on the car roof.”


On the Nisoor Square massacre:

Mr Walid remembers the Nisour Square shooting on September 16, 2007 — for Iraqis one of the blacker days of the US occupation. Claiming to have come under fire, Blackwater guards stopped in the middle of a large roundabout and began shooting in all directions.

“I left my car and ran away to hide in a petrol station, which was made of concrete. The shooting was so heavy it was like rain,” he said. “I saw lots of people getting shot. The driver who had been in front of me died and his wife fell out of the car. Her child was killed as well. The shooting went on for about ten minutes.”


Source

Unbelievable. Blackwater was also in New Orleans during post Hurricane Katrina:



In order to carry an automatic weapon such as an AK-47 in the United States, you have to be part of the Government, or the Military, or maybe even Police. If Blackwater wasn't licensed to be there, or even authorized to be there they were breaking the law.

Just shows how powerful corporations with enough money can do.

*
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-11 06:37:43
August 11 2009 06:36 GMT
#2
Man. The US just seems so fucked up sometimes. Read and watched all of it -- sounded like it was all taken out of a movie.

All this thread needs now is Aegraen defending blackwater.
Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
August 11 2009 06:38 GMT
#3
On August 11 2009 15:36 LaLuSh wrote:
Man. The US is so fucked up and has been for a very long time.

fixed yo
IRIS FIGHTING!!!
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
August 11 2009 06:41 GMT
#4
Blackwater is so badass
Freyr
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States500 Posts
August 11 2009 06:49 GMT
#5
On August 11 2009 15:41 eMbrace wrote:
Blackwater is so badass


I assume you mean badass in its villainy? (or alleged villainy if you please)
weaksauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
369 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-11 07:00:29
August 11 2009 06:58 GMT
#6
They are freaking geniuses, if only for the fact that everyone still refers to them as Blackwater, and not their new name Xe

Its like a magic trick and bam, to the casual observer there is this nice new security firm.
even if he DID detect penis - cubEdin
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
August 11 2009 07:06 GMT
#7
On August 11 2009 15:49 Freyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2009 15:41 eMbrace wrote:
Blackwater is so badass


I assume you mean badass in its villainy? (or alleged villainy if you please)


I have a slight doubt in my mind that Blackwater isn't a villainous corporation.

But hey that's just me -- they are most likely out to conquer the world.
Freyr
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States500 Posts
August 11 2009 07:20 GMT
#8
On August 11 2009 16:06 eMbrace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2009 15:49 Freyr wrote:
On August 11 2009 15:41 eMbrace wrote:
Blackwater is so badass


I assume you mean badass in its villainy? (or alleged villainy if you please)


I have a slight doubt in my mind that Blackwater isn't a villainous corporation.

But hey that's just me -- they are most likely out to conquer the world.


Glad you are having fun.

So explain - in what way are "they" badass? Please be specific if you have the time.

Thanks
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
August 11 2009 07:23 GMT
#9
really nice OP actually.. I read/watched the links and I find it quite informative. I've had to debate on this company several times.. fascinating what is "allowed" these days.

MGS4 might not be far off haha
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
August 11 2009 07:31 GMT
#10
op seems biased
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-11 07:47:21
August 11 2009 07:46 GMT
#11
On August 11 2009 16:20 Freyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2009 16:06 eMbrace wrote:
On August 11 2009 15:49 Freyr wrote:
On August 11 2009 15:41 eMbrace wrote:
Blackwater is so badass


I assume you mean badass in its villainy? (or alleged villainy if you please)


I have a slight doubt in my mind that Blackwater isn't a villainous corporation.

But hey that's just me -- they are most likely out to conquer the world.


Glad you are having fun.

So explain - in what way are "they" badass? Please be specific if you have the time.

Thanks


Being labeled as a mercenary group of elite ex-special forces guys who are equipped 10x better than our own soldiers and don't follow rules, and have several controversies surrounding some of the actions that certain members of the organization have done -- makes for a very scary, thrilling, interesting story and sometimes a "badass" story that many people would get a kick out of

i wish i wrote the book first -- probably would of made a pretty penny.

as for my personal views on the organization -- well I'll never know the real facts about their business and neither will anyone in this thread.

as it stands, I know they are a private military corporation that our government has paid for assistance for a variety of issues including the war in the middle east and for humanitarian aid after Katrina hit.

they've done good things in Iraq, and then there's some bad things that have been done that this thread is dwelling on -- although our own country's army has committed some war crimes themselves yet I wouldn't call our military villainous by any means.

so IMO, blackwater is interesting to me -- i will always wonder if they are truly a hell-bent corporation of badass ex-special forces trying to preserve christianity through killing Iraqi citizens -- or if they are just a frighteningly successful private military service that has ultimately helped us, albeit with having a few shameful stains on its hands.


the former story sounds much more thrilling though -- and if I was an author or the head of a news broadcast, I'd talk about that side of the story.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 11 2009 07:48 GMT
#12
I want my own private army.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 11 2009 08:17 GMT
#13
On August 11 2009 16:46 eMbrace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2009 16:20 Freyr wrote:
On August 11 2009 16:06 eMbrace wrote:
On August 11 2009 15:49 Freyr wrote:
On August 11 2009 15:41 eMbrace wrote:
Blackwater is so badass


I assume you mean badass in its villainy? (or alleged villainy if you please)


I have a slight doubt in my mind that Blackwater isn't a villainous corporation.

But hey that's just me -- they are most likely out to conquer the world.


Glad you are having fun.

So explain - in what way are "they" badass? Please be specific if you have the time.

Thanks


Being labeled as a mercenary group of elite ex-special forces guys who are equipped 10x better than our own soldiers and don't follow rules, and have several controversies surrounding some of the actions that certain members of the organization have done -- makes for a very scary, thrilling, interesting story and sometimes a "badass" story that many people would get a kick out of

i wish i wrote the book first -- probably would of made a pretty penny.

as for my personal views on the organization -- well I'll never know the real facts about their business and neither will anyone in this thread.

as it stands, I know they are a private military corporation that our government has paid for assistance for a variety of issues including the war in the middle east and for humanitarian aid after Katrina hit.

they've done good things in Iraq, and then there's some bad things that have been done that this thread is dwelling on -- although our own country's army has committed some war crimes themselves yet I wouldn't call our military villainous by any means.

so IMO, blackwater is interesting to me -- i will always wonder if they are truly a hell-bent corporation of badass ex-special forces trying to preserve christianity through killing Iraqi citizens -- or if they are just a frighteningly successful private military service that has ultimately helped us, albeit with having a few shameful stains on its hands.


the former story sounds much more thrilling though -- and if I was an author or the head of a news broadcast, I'd talk about that side of the story.


The charges recently brought up are from former employees. Also the U.S. State Department has recommended that Blackwater/Xe be dropped from the contractors to protect U.S. diplomats in Iraq. Also Xe/Blackwater is also under lawsuit for a string of charges that include Tax evasion, Drug, and Weapons trafficking, as well as Racketeering charges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Baghdad_shootings#Further_court_action
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
August 11 2009 09:08 GMT
#14
In order to carry an automatic weapon such as an AK-47 in the United States, you have to be part of the Government, or the Military, or maybe even Police.

This is an interesting assertion. Civilians are not barred from owning automatic weapons. There are some pretty hefty restrictions of course, but we can have them. Youtube search "knob creek" (hehe knob) sometime.
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
August 11 2009 09:46 GMT
#15
On August 11 2009 15:36 LaLuSh wrote:
Man. The US just seems so fucked up sometimes. Read and watched all of it -- sounded like it was all taken out of a movie.

All this thread needs now is Aegraen defending blackwater.


I have nothing against the idea of private security firms. I do however believe all transgressions that break the law should be punished per the law.

Lastly, civilians are allowed to have automatic weapons and per the US Constitution is one of our rights to bear arms, and it shall not be infringed upon.

Unlike you and others that frequent this site, I don't see Corporations as evil entities.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
August 11 2009 12:55 GMT
#16
thread is quite biased
other than that i mostly agree with the fact that blackwater has committed crimes and should be punished for it
the idea of mercenary armies, however, isn't a bad idea. Otherwise, bigger, badder countries can push around weaker but more industrial nations. Mercenaries are an equalizer.
The hotel I'm staying in right now is actually run by an ex-Blackwater, one who was in Iraq until 3 years ago.

O.O
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
August 11 2009 13:35 GMT
#17
On August 11 2009 21:55 Caller wrote:
thread is quite biased
other than that i mostly agree with the fact that blackwater has committed crimes and should be punished for it
the idea of mercenary armies, however, isn't a bad idea. Otherwise, bigger, badder countries can push around weaker but more industrial nations. Mercenaries are an equalizer.
The hotel I'm staying in right now is actually run by an ex-Blackwater, one who was in Iraq until 3 years ago.

O.O


do you feel safe staying in that hotel?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
August 11 2009 14:00 GMT
#18
I remember reading about Blackwater a few years ago. Back then, advertised pay was around $550-$650 a day while they were on duty. Unlike they actual military, these guys are allowed to shoot without having to go through all the red tape and letting the person get away/start firing first. Working for them is pretty much any ex-special force's wet dream as far as I'm concerned.
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
hahajokes
Profile Joined August 2009
Burundi6 Posts
August 11 2009 14:13 GMT
#19
typical white behavior
hardeharhar
ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
August 11 2009 15:28 GMT
#20
The bullet entered from under the ear and left from the upper side of her skull. There were bits of her hair and skin on the car roof.
This made me sick...the horrors of war...for thousands of years, fuck humankind.
MGS4 might not be far off haha
MGS has been telling the future, today, really how far off in the future are genetically engineered soldiers and war has already been a business for a century ._. "What the fuck are we fighting for" was the question soldiers where asking themselves in Iraq.

I can't stand war
Life is not Fucking Fair and Society is not Fucking Logical - "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 13h 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 434
IndyStarCraft 242
BRAT_OK 125
ProTech32
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 471
ggaemo 196
firebathero 183
Zeus 68
Mong 37
Dota 2
syndereN47
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Grubby3901
Reynor83
Counter-Strike
flusha417
Stewie2K360
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor394
Other Games
fl0m2283
Beastyqt796
Dendi501
summit1g427
Trikslyr57
Sick50
QueenE45
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1368
StarCraft 2
angryscii 26
Other Games
BasetradeTV23
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH182
• printf 70
• davetesta32
• tFFMrPink 20
• iHatsuTV 17
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 28
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21359
• WagamamaTV583
Other Games
• imaqtpie1284
• Shiphtur240
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
13h 36m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
17h 36m
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
19h 36m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
HeRoMaRinE vs MaxPax
Wardi Open
1d 14h
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
HCC Europe
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.