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I just played my second game as Protoss on Iccup ever. Not knowing any builds, I decided to just build a bunch of Zealots and attack. However, in the spur of the moment a thought came to me; what if I bring probes along to steal minerals from him? Wouldn't that be swell? As you can witness in the epic replay added below, this move won me the game.
http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=17316
Oki, so this is how you do this build:
1. Mass Zealots from 2 Gates. 2. If the Zerg attacks, defend with Zealots. 3. Attack while bringing you probes along to steal his minerals. 4. Transition into the late-game. 5. Win
As you can see he became really poor after my raid (or maybe it was the 10 misplaced Sunkens) and was unable to summon an army sufficient to withstand my 1a2a3a.

   
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You're funny Brace yourself for the imminent flames.
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rofl i want to see somebody 2 gate a zerg while simultaneously making a nexus in there nat
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LOL I'm not sure whether to take this post seriously or not.
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I thought ICCUP had a rule against mining your opponent's minerals? That's just abusive. They might run out of minerals.
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On July 22 2009 07:09 Severedevil wrote: I thought ICCUP had a rule against mining your opponent's minerals? That's just abusive. They might run out of minerals.
LOL what???
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Calgary25977 Posts
It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.
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On July 22 2009 07:18 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2009 07:09 Severedevil wrote: I thought ICCUP had a rule against mining your opponent's minerals? That's just abusive. They might run out of minerals. LOL what???
yes, i've heard of this as well. you also can't gas steal them and then send workers to long distance gas mine from your gas steal (assuming he's kind enough to not kill it). i mean, if they run out of gas, then the game's no fun anymore is it?
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On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote: It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.
But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.
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On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote: It is more efficient to mine your own minerals. But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.  Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.
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Hahaha man I wish this strat was viable...
"OH SHITTTTT PROBE DROP SHIT!!!!!
They are here to steal all our minerals!!!"
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On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote: It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.
You know who mines his own minerals? Combat-ex
Guess what? He lost to you
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On July 22 2009 07:29 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote: It is more efficient to mine your own minerals. But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.  Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage. 
-____________- really?
I can't see this as a viable strategy at all.
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On July 22 2009 07:36 Perguvious wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2009 07:29 Holgerius wrote:On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote: It is more efficient to mine your own minerals. But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.  Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.  -____________- really? I can't see this as a viable strategy at all.
then you are blind.
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On July 22 2009 07:37 cunninglinguists wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2009 07:36 Perguvious wrote:On July 22 2009 07:29 Holgerius wrote:On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote: It is more efficient to mine your own minerals. But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.  Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.  -____________- really? I can't see this as a viable strategy at all. then you are blind.
I hope you're being sarcastic
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I think I am gonna use this build against every zerg I run into on Iccup for a while :D They don't need their mins anyways, they never mine out.
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On July 22 2009 07:46 Perguvious wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2009 07:37 cunninglinguists wrote:On July 22 2009 07:36 Perguvious wrote:On July 22 2009 07:29 Holgerius wrote:On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote: It is more efficient to mine your own minerals. But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.  Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.  -____________- really? I can't see this as a viable strategy at all. then you are blind. I hope you're being sarcastic
No, this guide is 100% the best strategy to ever use in a game. It's a guaranteed win, especially in the early game, and if you somehow don't secure the win, you should look to the guide on Observers vs Scouts, to see what your best scouting options are (hint: It's the Scout).
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Well, this kind of strategies is not uncommon in other games (Red Alert comes to mind).
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If you are mining his minerals, then he can't mine his minerals. Win-win.
OP = revolutionary?
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On July 22 2009 07:46 Perguvious wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2009 07:37 cunninglinguists wrote:On July 22 2009 07:36 Perguvious wrote:On July 22 2009 07:29 Holgerius wrote:On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote: It is more efficient to mine your own minerals. But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.  Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.  -____________- really? I can't see this as a viable strategy at all. then you are blind. I hope you're being sarcastic I'm pretty sure you would come out ahead if you did this.
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This is possibly the most amazing strategy ever invented, this is far more revolutionary than muta micro. Why didn't all those progamers think of this before? OP is a genius. From now on this is my only build zvp.
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wait a second....minerals can run out? on the map I play, the minerals never go away
this seems like a terrible strategy you fucking skilless newbie
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Would this work in TvZ as well? The SCVs mine a little slower than probes so it might not be as useful... however the SCVs have a bit more HP so it could still be viable... Let me go test it out
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On July 22 2009 08:20 Itachii wrote: this blog is bad Obviously you've never seen this strategy in action
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On July 22 2009 08:05 inertinept wrote: wait a second....minerals can run out? on the map I play, the minerals never go away
this seems like a terrible strategy you fucking skilless newbie
LOL its because you don't play fastest.
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This is an excellent strategy until the C/C+ level. Mining your opponent's minerals will cause him to mine out faster, which in turn, forces him to expand earlier, giving you a window of opportunity in the mid/late game to kill him off. Chill's opinion is grossly misinformed. It is NEVER more efficient to mine your own minerals. The long travel distance can easily be compensated for by building a nexus in your opponent's base or natural.
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Im not sure who is being serious and who isnt in this thread.
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On July 22 2009 08:35 Mastermind wrote: Im not sure who is being serious and who isnt in this thread.
We're all serious. This is a breakthrough. Everyone says it, and I'm going to say it again, SC is always evolving. Mineral steal is GG. + Show Spoiler +Imagine if a game came down to mind controlling a probe with a mineral patch...
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I think if you put two SCVs on your ramp before the probes reach your base, you can block it. (Repair each other --> probes stay out.) Good Protoss will just get concavity at the bottom of your ramp and mine your nat instead, though. Maybe you could wall-in the minerals with a good simcity?
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At first I was like "no way this can work, lol nubs"... but then I tested it vs Garm Brood and I won, even though I'm not an experienced protoss player... The advantage I got from stealing his minerals was obvious after some minutes: he didn't even make a single zergling! HERE IS THE PROOF: http://www.speedyshare.com/712597707.html
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Wait...
The Garm Brood is beatable?
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WeSt, what program did you use to make that gif?
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On July 22 2009 09:32 Fontong wrote: Wait...
The Garm Brood is beatable? It is now!
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This seems like a great strat. I also watched the replay and was impressed by your late game multitasking and army control. That was some impressive 1a2a3a.
On July 22 2009 09:32 Fontong wrote: Wait...
The Garm Brood is beatable? No, he used hax.
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On July 22 2009 09:38 Grobyc wrote:It is now! To be fair... he is playing Garm Brood in its weakest matchup. It's the tricky brood, but its macro was always suspect. Tiamat or Jormangund is best at ZvP.
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On July 22 2009 09:32 Fontong wrote: Wait...
The Garm Brood is beatable? Don't be silly. He is obviously lying, that was the Baelrog Brood. No one beats the Garm Brood.
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This thread rules ^______^
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guys I have been testing this out on iccup on players around the C level. The problem is everytime I start owning him with this strategy, he uses it against me as well! what can I do to stop him from evening the playing field?
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On July 22 2009 10:27 inertinept wrote: guys I have been testing this out on iccup on players around the C level. The problem is everytime I start owning him with this strategy, he uses it against me as well! what can I do to stop him from evening the playing field? fuck those are some advanced tactics. i suggest making a pylon prison along your entire mineral line to block him
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On July 22 2009 10:43 Duke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2009 10:27 inertinept wrote: guys I have been testing this out on iccup on players around the C level. The problem is everytime I start owning him with this strategy, he uses it against me as well! what can I do to stop him from evening the playing field? fuck those are some advanced tactics. i suggest making a pylon prison along your entire mineral line to block him It's map and position-dependent, because workers can pass between adjacent pylons. (But NOT supply depots... wtf terran imba.) But on maps like python with a short air distance, shuttle w/speed will greatly reduce your probes' traveling time. (And you can cycle damaged probes in/out in case of harass!)
The multitasking is a bitch, though... does anyone have a shuttle/worker practice map?
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On July 22 2009 10:27 inertinept wrote: guys I have been testing this out on iccup on players around the C level. The problem is everytime I start owning him with this strategy, he uses it against me as well! what can I do to stop him from evening the playing field? Yeah, experienced players will know what to do straight away.. this is the problem with higher level play.
Well, logic suggests that adding more nexuses and massing workers - so that you can mine his minerals faster than he can mine yours - should do the trick.. though I guess manner pylons in your own mineral line might work as well, as suggested by Duke. Maybe the two combined is the answer?
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I can't believe so many people are playing along.
It stopped being funny on the first page. -_-
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On July 22 2009 11:10 BanZu wrote: I can't believe so many people are playing along.
It stopped being funny on the first page. -_-
I totally agree. sucks when you can't let a good joke end that way, instead of dragging it on until its pointless and no longer funny.
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If you want to steal his resources you gotta do it like this (from a ladder game):
Take the mins, take the gas, much less mining distance so about 300% more effective than your superstrat.
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Im a big nerd, I'm laughing at this shit the whole time! ROFLMAO!
Edit: really, im laughing its not sarcastic.. I love TL humour.. like the sarcasm and shit.
Must try this viable strategy later..
How bout I mind control a drone? is that awesome or is that going to be gay?
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On July 22 2009 09:38 nevake wrote: WeSt, what program did you use to make that gif?
camtasia 4
Actually I lied about the replay... if you watch the end of the gif you can see that ir was Sutur Brood and not Garm Brood.
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This only works if you send your starting drone to their gas.
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Nah, it's not really a hard counter to my strat (I don't think there will ever be), but it's great to see how BW is still being innovated.
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