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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 21 2009 22:00 GMT
#1
I just played my second game as Protoss on Iccup ever. Not knowing any builds, I decided to just build a bunch of Zealots and attack. However, in the spur of the moment a thought came to me; what if I bring probes along to steal minerals from him? Wouldn't that be swell? As you can witness in the epic replay added below, this move won me the game.

http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=17316

Oki, so this is how you do this build:

1. Mass Zealots from 2 Gates.
2. If the Zerg attacks, defend with Zealots.
3. Attack while bringing you probes along to steal his minerals.
4. Transition into the late-game.
5. Win

As you can see he became really poor after my raid (or maybe it was the 10 misplaced Sunkens) and was unable to summon an army sufficient to withstand my 1a2a3a.



****
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
July 21 2009 22:03 GMT
#2
You're funny Brace yourself for the imminent flames.
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
July 21 2009 22:08 GMT
#3
rofl i want to see somebody 2 gate a zerg while simultaneously making a nexus in there nat
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
Flow.of.soul
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States210 Posts
July 21 2009 22:09 GMT
#4
LOL I'm not sure whether to take this post seriously or not.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
July 21 2009 22:09 GMT
#5
I thought ICCUP had a rule against mining your opponent's minerals? That's just abusive. They might run out of minerals.
My strategy is to fork people.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
July 21 2009 22:18 GMT
#6
On July 22 2009 07:09 Severedevil wrote:
I thought ICCUP had a rule against mining your opponent's minerals? That's just abusive. They might run out of minerals.


LOL what???
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
July 21 2009 22:19 GMT
#7
It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.
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cunninglinguists
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States925 Posts
July 21 2009 22:22 GMT
#8
On July 22 2009 07:18 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 07:09 Severedevil wrote:
I thought ICCUP had a rule against mining your opponent's minerals? That's just abusive. They might run out of minerals.


LOL what???


yes, i've heard of this as well. you also can't gas steal them and then send workers to long distance gas mine from your gas steal (assuming he's kind enough to not kill it). i mean, if they run out of gas, then the game's no fun anymore is it?
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
July 21 2009 22:24 GMT
#9
On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote:
It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.


But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 21 2009 22:29 GMT
#10
On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote:
It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.


But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.

Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
July 21 2009 22:31 GMT
#11
Hahaha man I wish this strat was viable...

"OH SHITTTTT PROBE DROP SHIT!!!!!

They are here to steal all our minerals!!!"

[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
July 21 2009 22:36 GMT
#12
On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote:
It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.


You know who mines his own minerals? Combat-ex

Guess what? He lost to you
Trucy Wright is hot
Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
July 21 2009 22:36 GMT
#13
On July 22 2009 07:29 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote:
It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.


But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.

Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.


-____________- really?

I can't see this as a viable strategy at all.
cunninglinguists
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States925 Posts
July 21 2009 22:37 GMT
#14
On July 22 2009 07:36 Perguvious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 07:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote:
It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.


But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.

Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.


-____________- really?

I can't see this as a viable strategy at all.


then you are blind.
Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
July 21 2009 22:46 GMT
#15
On July 22 2009 07:37 cunninglinguists wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 07:36 Perguvious wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote:
It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.


But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.

Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.


-____________- really?

I can't see this as a viable strategy at all.


then you are blind.


I hope you're being sarcastic
Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
July 21 2009 22:48 GMT
#16
I think I am gonna use this build against every zerg I run into on Iccup for a while :D
They don't need their mins anyways, they never mine out.
^______________^
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-21 22:52:12
July 21 2009 22:51 GMT
#17
On July 22 2009 07:46 Perguvious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 07:37 cunninglinguists wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:36 Perguvious wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote:
It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.


But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.

Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.


-____________- really?

I can't see this as a viable strategy at all.


then you are blind.


I hope you're being sarcastic


No, this guide is 100% the best strategy to ever use in a game. It's a guaranteed win, especially in the early game, and if you somehow don't secure the win, you should look to the guide on Observers vs Scouts, to see what your best scouting options are (hint: It's the Scout).
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
July 21 2009 22:53 GMT
#18
Well, this kind of strategies is not uncommon in other games (Red Alert comes to mind).
:]
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
July 21 2009 22:56 GMT
#19
If you are mining his minerals, then he can't mine his minerals. Win-win.

OP = revolutionary?
Hello
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
July 21 2009 22:58 GMT
#20
On July 22 2009 07:46 Perguvious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 07:37 cunninglinguists wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:36 Perguvious wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:24 So no fek wrote:
On July 22 2009 07:19 Chill wrote:
It is more efficient to mine your own minerals.


But then you'd run out of minerals sooner yourself.

Exactly. The point of this strat is to gain the long term economical advantage.


-____________- really?

I can't see this as a viable strategy at all.


then you are blind.


I hope you're being sarcastic

I'm pretty sure you would come out ahead if you did this.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
July 21 2009 23:05 GMT
#21
This is possibly the most amazing strategy ever invented, this is far more revolutionary than muta micro. Why didn't all those progamers think of this before? OP is a genius. From now on this is my only build zvp.
U Gotta Skate.
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
July 21 2009 23:05 GMT
#22
wait a second....minerals can run out? on the map I play, the minerals never go away

this seems like a terrible strategy you fucking skilless newbie
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
July 21 2009 23:07 GMT
#23
Would this work in TvZ as well? The SCVs mine a little slower than probes so it might not be as useful... however the SCVs have a bit more HP so it could still be viable... Let me go test it out
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
July 21 2009 23:20 GMT
#24
this blog is bad
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
July 21 2009 23:25 GMT
#25
On July 22 2009 08:20 Itachii wrote:
this blog is bad

Obviously you've never seen this strategy in action
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
July 21 2009 23:25 GMT
#26
On July 22 2009 08:05 inertinept wrote:
wait a second....minerals can run out? on the map I play, the minerals never go away

this seems like a terrible strategy you fucking skilless newbie


LOL its because you don't play fastest.
Resistance ain't futile
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
July 21 2009 23:34 GMT
#27
This is an excellent strategy until the C/C+ level. Mining your opponent's minerals will cause him to mine out faster, which in turn, forces him to expand earlier, giving you a window of opportunity in the mid/late game to kill him off. Chill's opinion is grossly misinformed. It is NEVER more efficient to mine your own minerals. The long travel distance can easily be compensated for by building a nexus in your opponent's base or natural.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
July 21 2009 23:35 GMT
#28
Im not sure who is being serious and who isnt in this thread.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-21 23:41:11
July 21 2009 23:40 GMT
#29
On July 22 2009 08:35 Mastermind wrote:
Im not sure who is being serious and who isnt in this thread.

We're all serious. This is a breakthrough. Everyone says it, and I'm going to say it again, SC is always evolving. Mineral steal is GG.
+ Show Spoiler +
Imagine if a game came down to mind controlling a probe with a mineral patch...
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
July 21 2009 23:58 GMT
#30
I think if you put two SCVs on your ramp before the probes reach your base, you can block it. (Repair each other --> probes stay out.) Good Protoss will just get concavity at the bottom of your ramp and mine your nat instead, though. Maybe you could wall-in the minerals with a good simcity?
My strategy is to fork people.
WeSt
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Portugal918 Posts
July 22 2009 00:09 GMT
#31
At first I was like "no way this can work, lol nubs"... but then I tested it vs Garm Brood and I won, even though I'm not an experienced protoss player... The advantage I got from stealing his minerals was obvious after some minutes: he didn't even make a single zergling!
HERE IS THE PROOF:
http://www.speedyshare.com/712597707.html

[image loading]
zvz is imba
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
July 22 2009 00:32 GMT
#32
Wait...

The Garm Brood is beatable?
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-22 00:43:07
July 22 2009 00:38 GMT
#33
WeSt, what program did you use to make that gif?
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 22 2009 00:38 GMT
#34
On July 22 2009 09:32 Fontong wrote:
Wait...

The Garm Brood is beatable?

It is now!
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
July 22 2009 00:38 GMT
#35
This seems like a great strat. I also watched the replay and was impressed by your late game multitasking and army control. That was some impressive 1a2a3a.

On July 22 2009 09:32 Fontong wrote:
Wait...

The Garm Brood is beatable?

No, he used hax.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
July 22 2009 01:11 GMT
#36
On July 22 2009 09:38 Grobyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 09:32 Fontong wrote:
Wait...

The Garm Brood is beatable?

It is now!

To be fair... he is playing Garm Brood in its weakest matchup. It's the tricky brood, but its macro was always suspect. Tiamat or Jormangund is best at ZvP.
My strategy is to fork people.
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
July 22 2009 01:17 GMT
#37
On July 22 2009 09:32 Fontong wrote:
Wait...

The Garm Brood is beatable?

Don't be silly. He is obviously lying, that was the Baelrog Brood. No one beats the Garm Brood.
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2414 Posts
July 22 2009 01:24 GMT
#38
This thread rules ^______^
The original Bogus fan.
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
July 22 2009 01:27 GMT
#39
guys I have been testing this out on iccup on players around the C level. The problem is everytime I start owning him with this strategy, he uses it against me as well! what can I do to stop him from evening the playing field?
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
July 22 2009 01:43 GMT
#40
On July 22 2009 10:27 inertinept wrote:
guys I have been testing this out on iccup on players around the C level. The problem is everytime I start owning him with this strategy, he uses it against me as well! what can I do to stop him from evening the playing field?

fuck those are some advanced tactics. i suggest making a pylon prison along your entire mineral line to block him
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
July 22 2009 01:50 GMT
#41
On July 22 2009 10:43 Duke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 10:27 inertinept wrote:
guys I have been testing this out on iccup on players around the C level. The problem is everytime I start owning him with this strategy, he uses it against me as well! what can I do to stop him from evening the playing field?

fuck those are some advanced tactics. i suggest making a pylon prison along your entire mineral line to block him

It's map and position-dependent, because workers can pass between adjacent pylons. (But NOT supply depots... wtf terran imba.) But on maps like python with a short air distance, shuttle w/speed will greatly reduce your probes' traveling time. (And you can cycle damaged probes in/out in case of harass!)

The multitasking is a bitch, though... does anyone have a shuttle/worker practice map?
My strategy is to fork people.
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
July 22 2009 01:50 GMT
#42
On July 22 2009 10:27 inertinept wrote:
guys I have been testing this out on iccup on players around the C level. The problem is everytime I start owning him with this strategy, he uses it against me as well! what can I do to stop him from evening the playing field?

Yeah, experienced players will know what to do straight away.. this is the problem with higher level play.

Well, logic suggests that adding more nexuses and massing workers - so that you can mine his minerals faster than he can mine yours - should do the trick.. though I guess manner pylons in your own mineral line might work as well, as suggested by Duke. Maybe the two combined is the answer?
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
July 22 2009 02:10 GMT
#43
I can't believe so many people are playing along.

It stopped being funny on the first page. -_-
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
July 22 2009 02:43 GMT
#44
On July 22 2009 11:10 BanZu wrote:
I can't believe so many people are playing along.

It stopped being funny on the first page. -_-


I totally agree. sucks when you can't let a good joke end that way, instead of dragging it on until its pointless and no longer funny.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
July 22 2009 04:34 GMT
#45
If you want to steal his resources you gotta do it like this (from a ladder game):

[image loading]


Take the mins, take the gas, much less mining distance so about 300% more effective than your superstrat.
No I'm never serious.
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-22 04:43:18
July 22 2009 04:41 GMT
#46
Im a big nerd, I'm laughing at this shit the whole time! ROFLMAO!

Edit: really, im laughing its not sarcastic.. I love TL humour.. like the sarcasm and shit.

Must try this viable strategy later..

How bout I mind control a drone? is that awesome or is that going to be gay?
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
WeSt
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Portugal918 Posts
July 22 2009 09:08 GMT
#47
On July 22 2009 09:38 nevake wrote:
WeSt, what program did you use to make that gif?


camtasia 4

Actually I lied about the replay... if you watch the end of the gif you can see that ir was Sutur Brood and not Garm Brood.
zvz is imba
XythOs
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
Germany520 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-16 18:23:12
August 16 2009 18:20 GMT
#48
This build sucks, there is already a counter.

edit: whoops was already a month old
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
August 16 2009 19:37 GMT
#49
On August 17 2009 03:20 XythOs wrote:
This build sucks, there is already a counter.

edit: whoops was already a month old

This only works if you send your starting drone to their gas.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 16 2009 22:10 GMT
#50
On August 17 2009 03:20 XythOs wrote:
This build sucks, there is already a counter.

edit: whoops was already a month old

Nah, it's not really a hard counter to my strat (I don't think there will ever be), but it's great to see how BW is still being innovated.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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