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merach
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States182 Posts
June 23 2009 19:39 GMT
#1
Short and simple for a first blog, I'll probably extrapolate on this idea later, but here is the gist.

Terran = Stylish. FPVOD's, Build orders, and an FAQ

Protoss = Well, toss doesn't need as much help, but oystein started around the same time as stylish, and thats good enough.

Now, answer me this, what thread or resource would you recommend to your aspiring zerg player, prior to liquipedia? Thats right, Day[9]'s podcasts. Now, this is strictly opinion, but I personally have never managed to make it too far into one of his podcasts without getting really, really bored. Am I the only one? I don't play zerg mind you, but you be the judge.

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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 23 2009 19:44 GMT
#2
woot look at all those zvx matchups
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ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
June 23 2009 19:46 GMT
#3
I don't get bored during his podcasts.. ;o

but i do agree someone needs to make a more detailed guide for zergs just like stylish's with fpvods and replays instead of just walls of text.
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demonic_phate
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States442 Posts
June 23 2009 19:47 GMT
#4
I play protoss and I make it through his non-race specific podcasts just fine
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Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
June 23 2009 19:50 GMT
#5
Ahzz has some pretty good Zerg FPVODs

Writerman what
Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
June 23 2009 19:52 GMT
#6
Hmm, if I remember Day[9] only has 2 zerg-specific podcasts. He does a really good job giving examples for how to apply his lessons for each race.
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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
June 23 2009 19:56 GMT
#7
Yeah go check out Ahzz's vids... though he his study materials are older than Stylish's. My friend also is a fanatic for Ret's FPVOD stream, so check it out too. I think it's on right now.
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Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
June 23 2009 19:56 GMT
#8
Day[9] is pimp and I don't get bored of his podcasts. If anything, I find them really entertaining. I still lose at ZvT (mech) so they might not have helped me too much.
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
June 23 2009 19:56 GMT
#9
Well these days, Liquipedia should be just fine. However, DAy[9]'s podcasts are helpful to all 3 races, and its better if they have a good understanding of the game, beacuse that way they will know what do in any match up!
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
Dreadwave
Profile Joined January 2008
Netherlands254 Posts
June 23 2009 19:57 GMT
#10
Oystein also makes Zerg fpVODs.

Smi.lols(w3jjjj) has made a number of high quality guides for Zerg, Ahzz has a lot of fpVODs on his youtube. In the strategy forum you have Attackzerg, smi.lols, Cloud and others responding to help threads.

And you get bored during Day[9]'s audios?
merach
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States182 Posts
June 23 2009 20:02 GMT
#11
Like I said, I wouldn't know. I've seen a lot of people say that Day[9] was the stylish and oystein of zerg. And it still doesn't really explain how there are so many ZvX concepts that even I've heard covered at one point in time or another.
Neon_Monkey
Profile Joined February 2008
United States270 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-23 20:04:16
June 23 2009 20:03 GMT
#12
If anything I thought that zerg had the best coverage. Ahzz's ultimate zerg guide does a pretty good job of covering most topics other than the recent innovations of 3 hatch spire builds in zvp and 2 hatch builds in zvt, which each have their own recent in depth guides. Other than that you have a lot of random guides like Stryker's guide on improving ZvT, Superiorwolf's guide on adapting ZvP, and probably a few others I missed in addition to day9's podcasts. Plus Ahzz's and Chill's fpvods.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
June 23 2009 20:12 GMT
#13
Well this is assuming that there are equal numbers of Terran, Protoss, and Zerg users, or relatively similar.

for example, in this very thread there are even more zerg users than terran/protoss combined.

Thus a silly poll which doesn't really prove anything unless the numbers are absurd ~!
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Poll: What race do you play?
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Protoss

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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 23 2009 20:13 GMT
#14
I like his casts fine.

It depends on your attitude. He tries to promote a learning mentality, rather than just 'here's the answers.' If you're waiting for the answers, you'll probably get bored listening to him.
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17018 Posts
June 23 2009 20:27 GMT
#15
If you get bored listening to them, I'm transcribing them all into text and should have them all up in a couple of weeks (depending on how lazy/busy I am).
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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
June 23 2009 20:40 GMT
#16
On June 24 2009 05:12 HeavOnEarth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well this is assuming that there are equal numbers of Terran, Protoss, and Zerg users, or relatively similar.

for example, in this very thread there are even more zerg users than terran/protoss combined.

Thus a silly poll which doesn't really prove anything unless the numbers are absurd ~!
[image loading]

Poll: What race do you play?
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Protoss


Using TL as a sample population assuming most people use their real race for icons:
[image loading]
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
June 23 2009 20:46 GMT
#17
huh, where did you grab the race icon data?

and, incidentally, the zerg section on liquipedia needs the most work. I think that a lot of the problem with teaching zerg is that making units necessarily means cutting drone production, which makes it so that to play zerg well, you need to learn how to cut drones well first.
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
June 23 2009 20:46 GMT
#18
On June 24 2009 05:40 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2009 05:12 HeavOnEarth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well this is assuming that there are equal numbers of Terran, Protoss, and Zerg users, or relatively similar.

for example, in this very thread there are even more zerg users than terran/protoss combined.

Thus a silly poll which doesn't really prove anything unless the numbers are absurd ~!
[image loading]

Poll: What race do you play?
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Protoss


Using TL as a sample population assuming most people use their real race for icons:
[image loading]

I feel that a lot of new users fail to change their races, leaving it at SCV. :/
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
June 23 2009 20:48 GMT
#19
his cast are great
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-23 20:50:39
June 23 2009 20:50 GMT
#20
On June 24 2009 05:46 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
huh, where did you grab the race icon data?

This is from the groups in the miscellaneous section of Fantasy PL. Also as stated in post above the above post, most new members do leave their icons as the SCV so it can't really be that reliable...
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