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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On June 19 2009 05:01 3clipse wrote: Um, what? This is kind of insulting. The vast majority of regular sc players will never reach B- unless they do nothing but train all day. It hardly takes "training all day" to reach B-. You just have to train properly | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
On June 18 2009 21:59 Caffeine_Free wrote: Rofl I came into this thread thinking, "Wow people on TL.Net are still bashing Combat? Good grief." But as I read every page in this thread(some tl;dr) I think this is about right. He says people on TL.Net are bashing him and flaming but this was alot more civilized(or w/e >_>) than I thought it would be. I thought people would just say "OMG HE ABUSED HE SUCKS DICK GO KILL UR SELF" but its not thankfully. I think he's sorta blowing this out of proportion  The most people "support" him I think is really I think there just being blind fanboys. This is true on SC2GG a little(I've been a member there for a while so I'm not flaming SC2GG at all) but defending with "He takes time to post videos and help noobs". If I took 10 minutes out of my day I could post a 3 minute video on how to defend a 4 pool too. Mmm ok thats not fair yeah, because you post alot of games doesn't mean your allowed to be instantly forgiven. Ok I dunno alot of what I wrote  I just wrote what came to mind and when I try typing that out it turns into mumbo jumbo.For what its worth: + Show Spoiler + Oh and Senental, my SCVs will eat your Dragoons numnumnum  I was trying so hard not to post but... THIS VIDEO IS EPIC HAHAHAAHAHAAH. Please post more if you find them. lmfaoooo | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
You do not need to be high ranked player to discuss valid strategies in your vod, people will still enjoy them. you are misinforming all your fans that your strategies and plays have reached the B skill level of starcraft. Here is 2 things you need to distinguish: Logics and Iccup rank. Higher ranked player doesn't have to always be right in the logics of his strategies or things he does. a lower ranked play could have the right logic in his strategy but does not have the skill to execute them. Finally, learn to be humble, if you position yourself lower, you don't have the pressure to proove yourself, and you can improve easier since you are more susceptible to constructive criticism too. This can be a lesson for you in real life. | ||
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7mk
Germany10156 Posts
On June 19 2009 10:02 clazziquai wrote: I declare myself the #1 combat-ex anti-fan (check sig). =D This would be more meaningful if you weren't also sea.really's #1 fan...  | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On June 18 2009 05:32 Hot_Bid wrote: Would you like me to provide an example that is less serious than murder, and we can debate which is more severe, abusing on ICCup or taking steroids in high school sports (he's helping the fans so i don't care!), or cheating in high school (he's helping his friends get better grades and get into college so i dont care!), etc. But thank you for pointing out that taking freewins on a ladder is not actually killing someone, I was not aware of this difference when I made the analogy. I can't believe I didn't see that. Hahahah :D | ||
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konadora
Singapore66063 Posts
Wow this video... =.=" | ||
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kdog3683
United States916 Posts
I'm chuckling uncontrollably | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On June 18 2009 20:32 Kyo Yuy wrote: I'm not necessarily defending Combat, but he doesn't really say he's the best. If he was really that dishonest he'd stretch his ICCUP rank further and say he was A+. You think he wouldn't do that if he could? He stretched it as far as he could go. He only abused to B- because that was as far as he could abuse. He doesn't deserve any credit for not abusing to A. | ||
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n
United States48 Posts
On June 19 2009 05:45 VIB wrote: "Well at least, he is good at building a fan base"??? Because, unlike some more accomplished players, he actually takes the time and energy to consistently make videos. Really, to all those concerned about Combat-Ex's "influence" on his viewerbase, such as his promoting of bad strategies or gaming habits, why not start publishing your own videos to the extent that he does? The way I see it, at least he's doing something to promote Starcraft to those new to it. Since TL obviously has a ton of players that are more skilled than he is, why not use your resources instead of just whining about how he misleads noobs? Why not do something instead of sitting in your high-castle as many TLers seem to do. Really, the only thing I respect about Combat-Ex is that at least he tries to interact with the beginner community. I know personally that without Combat-Ex, I would not have gotten interested in non-money Starcraft to begin with. I don't watch his videos anymore, but I know without him I would never have come upon TL or competitive Starcraft. So here's my challenge: instead of just complaining about how Combat-Ex is bad for the community, gather skilled TLers and start making your own educational FPVODS that do all the things that Combat-Ex's videos don't, on a schedule similar to Combat-Ex's own. Because the thing is, Combat-Ex isn't pushing anyone out of the way. He's not stealing shine from anybody, because nobody else really is willing to dedicate the time and energy to make videos as he does. Taking active steps to interact with the "lesser" community of Youtube will go a long way in making TL look less like hypocrites attacking Combat-Ex for making videos when in reality he is filling a void that can easily be filled by the TL community. | ||
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7mk
Germany10156 Posts
On June 20 2009 07:48 n wrote: Because, unlike some more accomplished players, he actually takes the time and energy to consistently make videos. Really, to all those concerned about Combat-Ex's "influence" on his viewerbase, such as his promoting of bad strategies or gaming habits, why not start publishing your own videos to the extent that he does? The way I see it, at least he's doing something to promote Starcraft to those new to it. Since TL obviously has a ton of players that are more skilled than he is, why not use your resources instead of just whining about how he misleads noobs? Why not do something instead of sitting in your high-castle as many TLers seem to do. Really, the only thing I respect about Combat-Ex is that at least he tries to interact with the beginner community. I know personally that without Combat-Ex, I would not have gotten interested in non-money Starcraft to begin with. I don't watch his videos anymore, but I know without him I would never have come upon TL or competitive Starcraft. So here's my challenge: instead of just complaining about how Combat-Ex is bad for the community, gather skilled TLers and start making your own educational FPVODS that do all the things that Combat-Ex's videos don't, on a schedule similar to Combat-Ex's own. Because the thing is, Combat-Ex isn't pushing anyone out of the way. He's not stealing shine from anybody, because nobody else really is willing to dedicate the time and energy to make videos as he does. Taking active steps to interact with the "lesser" community of Youtube will go a long way in making TL look less like hypocrites attacking Combat-Ex for making videos when in reality he is filling a void that can easily be filled by the TL community. Tbh, I actually agree with this guy Of course there are already some FPVods which are obviously way better than any of combat's but there certainly could be a lot more. I mean if you just type in something random like "starcraft zvp" / "starcraft zvt" / "starcrat pvt" Youre mainly gonna find combat-ex, combat-ex,combat-ex,combat-ex... Of course the trend of live streams is already amazing, but for proper strategical analysis and improving as a player fpvods+commentary are still better | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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Sonu
Canada577 Posts
On June 18 2009 06:21 Barbapapa wrote: Ok I have no idea why you are so freaking mad at combat-ex. He is a bad player... SO FUCKING WHAT? I feel so stupid that I listened to him at the first place. NO! He's fucking awesome at what he is doing, I'm not only learning from his videos, but it's mostly entertaining. And isn't that what matters? Well, I'm not gonna work as a SC player when I get older, so why does it fucking matter if he might be teaching me wrong. I think it's you who are only jealous at his great work of posting VODs. And I don't get the videos less entertaining, if he has abused. You all seem to forget, that starcraft is used for entertainment. ok, then wat if some guy wanted to play professionally when they were older? then they would be taught wrong, and then they would keep loosing games, not knowing y. yes its entertaintment, but its also a game. every game has rules. violators of the rules get kicked out/lose, thats wats happening to combat right now. frankly it matters alot. I dont care if i am going to play professionally, but lets say i wanna get to B level in a few seasons, and all my VOD time is dedicated to Combat... i am NEVER GOING TO ACHIEVE MY GOAL. They are bashing him to stop making vods, cuz if he continues then more people will learn wrong.. and never get good, and quit, and say sc is bull sht. but i agree that something other than bashing should be done. | ||
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Combat-EX
Canada32 Posts
and i wanna start off by saying ...what manifest said on page 8.....well ....one of the reasons i created the apology video was the realization of all that.. secondly....and this should be very obvious, if not, then you guys are just blindly bashing me without second thought..... i've seen all the screenshots and videos of "ME" begging for wins, and ....im gonna say this straight up....the majority of those arn't me, and are pathetic losers who are trying to bring me down even more. im not going to argue this with anyone, strictly because i know what games ive played and i know what screenshots are false.... the next topic id like to talk about....is my skill level... which i know is going to very VERY controversial, but I do feel like its important to bring up i didn't say this in my youtube video because i was sure whatever rank i said, TL would disagree so im gonna say it in this thread ON TL. yes i realized i abused to get to B- rank, ...and i know this will be very hard to believe, but i do think i am ranging in the skill level of B-, and i know many people are going to disagree with this, so.. just to prove it, i am willing to game anyone on TL that has maxed at B- rank in a bo5/7/9 im not saying im going to win, but i can garuntee i'll put up a good fight. the reason i am so confident in this is...because i have gotten B- without abuse on several smurf accounts. and i know i was caught up in the whole 'wanting a good record' thing, so thats why on combat-ex it seems i have a very good record when reaching B- although truth has it, almost every season for the past year ive been able to reach B- with easily having 3:2 ratio, win:lose. in fact i reached B one season with over 60% win rate. (this is not to boast, this is strictly to reinforce my point) that i can understand is extremely controversial so thats why im willing to prove it. the next point id like to address is ....about my attitude and how i 'present' myself in my videos. i understand that i say ' im good' im this im that, but ...and i repeat myself, its for newbs and i get that people can take that in a bad way.....so from now on, in all my videos, im simply not gonna boast myself like that. (my next video is already made, and u guys can see to judge) what im trying to say here is that, im simply gonna stop boasting myself in my vids and try to very humble in the ones to come. now, to talk about my videos and subscribers and all that good stuff. i'm simply gonna state that i disagree with anyone who says that my videos do not help beginners although i realized after re-watched like 10videos of my own, that i do explain less, boast more. so i am going to change that. however, i do agree that there are better sources to better improve your sc gaming although no one (that i know of) supplies constant First Person VOD's with commentary at the rate i do and also, i do try hard to make my videos entertaining AND educational at the same time and i do work very hard to post these videos on youtube, so i'm not going to agree with anyone saying that the vids are to help make me look good vs to help noobs i realized that i boast a LOT in the vids, so im going to stop that. and finally....as hard as this is to say...after reading all these pages of bashing. i am still gonna try to earn TL's respect.... i know this is gonna take a hell of a long time, but i understand that what i did was a huge crime in this community i have changed my ways now....you guys won't believe this as of now,but i hope as time goes by and my videos/iccup become more helpful/legit , you guys will see that i have changed. i'll continue reading posts on here and on my youtube apologies video, ... ps. i know i may never EARN tl's respect, but in the end.... i'll still be making these vids, (with some change to attempt to earn some respect) pps. you may wonder why i want tl's respect so badly, and why i made a video strictly because of this. the reason is that, tl does have the majority of foreign skilled gamers, and i would like it if i was respected by them for what i do. im not going to die if i dont get the respect, i'll try for a while, but if it doesn't work, il simply give up. on that note, watch my next video that comes out, after all this bashing of me, and all the bashing of TL on my apologies video comments, i STILL try to slightly defend TL. taking these last 2 lines into consideration, i hope that with time , you guys can accept me | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On June 20 2009 15:00 Combat-EX wrote: so.. just to prove it, i am willing to game anyone on TL that has maxed at B- rank in a bo5/7/9 im not saying im going to win, but i can garuntee i'll put up a good fight. the reason i am so confident in this is...because i have gotten B- without abuse on several smurf accounts. I will respect if you manage to "put up a good fight" against Chill in a bo5. I'm sure he'd even be willing to stream it. In fact, I'm pretty sure much of TL has been waiting for you to play Chill in a bo5. I'm aware you've beaten Chill once before. And since you're putting forth the offer to take a B- player in a bo5, then face Chill. It's the match everyone wants to see, and I know I for one would love to see it. I can assure you, if you manage to go so far as to beat Chill in a bo5, you will silence most of your critics forever. So this is not just a challenge, it's in some ways advice. | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3314 Posts
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MoeMoeKyun
United States215 Posts
PS - I LOVE YOU CHILL. That is all. | ||
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MaRiNe23
United States747 Posts
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acnexus
Canada1 Post
(1) Most of TL is jealous of you for your popularity. Despite you cheating and lying (fukin moron you, but hey you were bashed on more threads and comments than I can count for what you did and you apologized and they still are bashing you just the same, so I don't know if they'll ever forgive you). (2) They think way too high of themselves. "Oh Im better than him", bla bla bla. Well at least he is contributing to the noob community and to those stuck in between being a noob and a decent player. You on the other hand, set on your lazy asses and contribute ALOT more to bashing him than you contribute to the community...... (3) I believe a significant amount of hate at TL is due to your background and cultural beliefs. Believe me, no matter what people post below me to try to prove me wrong, your background has something to do with some of the hate. That being said, I don't think anything you do will make them neutral toward you. So don't waste your time and move on. (4) I registered to post this here after seeing your unnecessary apology video, and I would like TL to know that they certainly aren't that loved by the SC community (the official one). Go check starcraft forums, scwire, and all other fan sites. You people are not loved. <-----period. (5) I will be banned because of my opinions and you know what, I do not care, because you people don't respect anyone who disagrees with you. This is my first and last post here. acnexus signing out. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
I think the validity of the apology has been more than throughly discussed as it is, so I'll refer you to read the previous 9 pages and come to a conclusion yourself. However, since you won't be posting ever again, I suppose it doesn't matter either. For Combat's contribution to the noob community...wait that too has been throughly covered! Did you perhaps post your reply after just reading the OP and jumped to the last page? At any case, there is a positive and a negative effect to his videos, I personally believe that the positive outweights the negative, but that's evidently not the majority here thinks. TL doesn't need to be loved by the official SC community, it simply needs to be better. That might not get them as much attention from Blizzard, but it has the fortunate side effect of being impossible to ignore even though the vast majority of the players [apparently] hate TL. I hope you won't be banned for your opinions, largely because it is so amusing to see a post like this every so often. In fact, this is almost better than the guy advocating Adidas' rights on susie's thread. Please, mods, don't ban him, get him to post more, enough people like him and there might not be any more combat bashing of a serious nature - we'd all toss in mock comments for replies of this kind. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
and finally....as hard as this is to say...after reading all these pages of bashing. i am still gonna try to earn TL's respect.... Do it. People will be bashing you for a long time now. Mostly small minded people. But if you play legit, you don't bash lower ranks. Your record looks clean, you upload all your replays, and you stop asking for donations and boasting about how good you are... Eventually, people will stop hating you. They might not respect you, but at least they won't despise you. In order to be respect here, you have to be really, really good/helpful/awesome/amiable etc. Shoot for 'not hated.' The problem with your apologies is that during them you're making tonnes of excuses. This isn't the spirit of an apology IMO it's like you never gave one. But I don't care, as long as you shape up and play honest from now on. | ||
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