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wanderer
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States641 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-15 23:18:22
June 15 2009 23:11 GMT
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For this Blog, I will assume that you know how to read 한글, the Korean writing system.

If you do not know how to read 한글, here is a great place to learn how. That's where I began four years ago.

edit -- because of that guide contest going on right now, someone made a nice, TL-friendly "how to read korean" guide here


As I wrote in my Foreword, I have been learning many languages since I was very little. This entry is about all the weirdest things I've had to get past in order to be considered half-decent at doing this Korean thing.

First of all, when I started learning about the stuff, I came across
this website, which taught me that the verb always goes at the end of the sentence in Korean. Also it said that when you phrase a Korean sentence, it goes Subject-Object-Verb -- as opposed to English where it goes Subject-Verb-Object.

Naturally, being the douchebag I am, I started thinking about crazy things like, "Hey, what if I wanted to do a compound sentence, like 'I am you, and you are me' or something?". Then I looked up how you use conjunctions and to my dismay I made a shocking discovery:
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THERE ARE NO ,,,,,,,,,,,,,'s IN KOREAN!


Naturally I was a bit overwhelmed, but okay whatever. So for example here, if I wanted to say:

I am he and you are he and you are me and we are all together.

It would translate as:

I는 he를 be. 그리고 you는 he를 be. 그리고 you는 me를 be. 그리고 we는 all together be.

(In case you aren't familiar enough with the Beatles to see what I just did there, I changed the 'as' words to 'and'. I don't know how to say 'as' in Korean. If you know, please let tell me in the comments)

(Side note: )
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Yeah... 는 might be 은 and 를 might be 을 but give me a break! I'm typing all of this with this thing. Its hard!


That's pretty weird, isn't it?

Oh yeah — the whole 는 and 를 thing is necessary because in Korean you literally have to verbally label the Subject and Object of your sentences, respectively. Remember back in English class where we had to underline that shit? What a fucking joke that was, now that I look at this.

"Hey whats the subject in the sentence: 'I는 you를 be.'???"
What a waste of time!

By the way, for all of those "be" parts, you would use 이다 (not 있다). Those two verbs are different in the same way that ser is different from estar (if you're into Portuguese or Spanish), respectively.

... Which leads me to my next thing. In Korean, you don't conjugate a verb based on to whom you're referring, like you would in English, Spanish, French, German, et cetera (I am, you are, he is, ...). In Korean, you conjugate the verb based on to whom you are talking (나는 이에요, 나는 이다, 나는 입니다).

That's a whole 'nother way of thinking!

-- By the way, about that last bit I wrote for you in Korean, the "나는 이에요, 나는 이다, 저는 입니다" part, that is in increasing order of politeness. Apparently 나==저, except the second one is more polite (adding -ᄇ니다 to the end of a verb is the most respectful way you can say it, and if you're going to say it like that then its a little hypocritical to use the less polite version).

The cool part about this whole new way of conjugating the verb is that when you want to seem respectful you can literally change what you say so that no confusion arises... and the opposite applies as well.

Oh well. This entry has gone on long enough. I'll talk more about it in my next one.

... and if I made any mistakes, please correct me!


But anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this...
-Michael

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Fuck you, I have a degree in mathematics and I speak 12 languages. (I called the World Cup final in 2008 btw)
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
June 15 2009 23:56 GMT
#2
I don't understand this blog, especially when you mix Korean and English like that.
...'s is a possessive and it exists in Korean, as do conjunctions.
Sullifam
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10829 Posts
June 15 2009 23:58 GMT
#3
i am still trying to figure out wtf this is:

I는 he를 be. 그리고 you는 he를 be. 그리고 you는 me를 be. 그리고 we는 all together be.
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wanderer
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States641 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 00:12:55
June 16 2009 00:06 GMT
#4
I apologize. I guess I didn't spend enough time writing this one.

instead of saying
"I am he, and you are he"
you say
"I he be. and you he be."

here are the extra parts:
그리고 = and
는 is a suffix that you add to show that what comes before it is the subject of the sentence.
를 is the same as the above but object instead of subject.

and the ...'s part is to say that there are no commas in Korean.

but of course there is a " 's" in korean.
for example:
"Michael's" would become "Michael의".



i was intending for this blog to be about korean stuff that i've learned about so that people could see and either explain or tell me about the crap I don't understand yet.

would you guys like me to make this more of an educational thing? i will be completely happy turning this blog into a "lets learn korean!" kind of thing and teach you everything i know instead if that's what you all want.
Fuck you, I have a degree in mathematics and I speak 12 languages. (I called the World Cup final in 2008 btw)
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
June 16 2009 00:20 GMT
#5
just because it's korean doesnt mean there arent subjects and verbs in the sentences. if anything, that exercise is more beneficial to you as a learner to get used to the sentence structure.

and although tedious in english class, labeling subject/object/etc is very helpful. native speakers of these languages might not be able to linguistically analyze and dissect these sentences, which is why they learn it in school. this goes for korean as well (and possibly any other language)
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joohyunee
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Korea (South)1087 Posts
June 16 2009 03:00 GMT
#6
What did you use to translate the Korean? Korean has a very versatile sentence structure/wording - I think the website you're going from is a very general guide, and cannot be said for certain (Korean is just that variable). It's possible that whatever translator you used mistook your sentence and translated it weird. Furthermore, you admittedly said was for messing purposes in the first place, so why expect a coherent translation to come out?

Lastly, there ARE commas in the Korean language.. unless you were referring to something else.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 16 2009 03:46 GMT
#7
소주만병만주소
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 04:15:30
June 16 2009 04:13 GMT
#8
LOL how could a language not have commas? Where did you find that? Ahaahahaa >_<;;;;;

Edit: more Korean face: ㅠ_ ㅠ;;;
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d34gl3r
Profile Joined December 2007
Korea (South)92 Posts
June 16 2009 04:39 GMT
#9
eek
i'm korean and i had a hard time reading through that post ;;
Hi
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 16 2009 04:40 GMT
#10
^ because obviously he hasn't been learning it for a long time, right?

ㅡㅡㅗ

jk
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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
June 16 2009 15:14 GMT
#11
That's not a comma, that's an apostrophe.
Sullifam
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
June 16 2009 15:23 GMT
#12
Hmm... now that's a really strange way to try and analyze Korean.

Didn't really get the point of the OP to be honest.
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
June 16 2009 19:01 GMT
#13
Actually!

The 는 and 를 shit are completely irrelevant and unnecessary!

Just letting you know!
why so 진지해?
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