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Vector Marketing: Scam?

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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
May 30 2009 05:54 GMT
#1
So, today my girlfriend got a job at a company called Vector Marketing. If you don't know what they do (I didn't), here is the wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Marketing
Summary:
Vector Marketing is the domestic sales arm of Alcas Corporation, the Olean, New York-based company that manufactures Cutco products.

Salespeople, many of them college students and recent high school graduates[1] market Cutco products (mainly kitchen knives) to customers, especially their friends and family members[2] via one-on-one demonstrations, and (infrequently) through fairs & shows.[3] Vector builds its force through advertising via newspapers, Craigslist, direct marketing, MySpace, Facebook, word-of-mouth, posted advertisements, unsolicited mass text messages, and letters sent to students and recent graduates. Their fliers advertising "student work" are a common sight on many college campuses in the United States and Canada.


She was quite excited to get this job for the summer, since it pays about 16 dollars per 'appointment'. Apparently her job is to interview customers about their needs in order to sell them the correct product, which is what an 'appointment' consists of. Things were looking good, that is, until a mutual friend of ours sent us this site: http://www.spamlaws.com/vector-marketing-scam
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Vector Marketing Scam

You surf the net in search for a job, any job that will help you pay off your student loans and accommodate your busy student routine. You come across a job ad that offers $15 to $16 an hour to act as a sales representative to sell Cutco cutlery. Sounds pretty easy, right? You worked at a retail store once and know how to deal with customers. Eager, you continue to read the job ad, looking for the perks. And perks, there are. You can be own your boss! Make your own schedules, budgets, and meeting times. You call and send in your resume, thinking you may not get the job, because it sounds too good to be true. But, despite your doubts, you receive a call praising your resume, and a job offer.

Delighted, you follow up the offer. You get hired as an independent contractor, and are given a list of strict rules to whom you can sell to and how to demonstrate their product. To receive your demonstration kit you need to purchase it or least pay $145 dollars. You must also pay to attend training sessions to polish your sale techniques. A small price to pay, for a job that will help you pay off you're loans, right? No!

In reality, after paying for your kit and training you barely make more than $3 a day… It's nothing but a scam!

The infamous company behind this scam that targets students nationwide is the U.S.based company Vector Marketing. This company takes advantage of the fact, that it encourages contractors to sell to their relatives. Relatives who'll feel obliged to buy the cutlery, mostly their infamous knives.

How's this a scam? The scam lies in the fact, they ask you to pay before you can start earning. Ever wonder, what kind of company charges for training and demonstration kits?


Vector Marketing List of Offenses

In past, the company admitted to fraud in settlements with the Australian Consumer and Competition Commission (1999), Wisconsin Consumer Protection Dept (1994), and Arizona Attorney General (1992). In 1992, 940 Wisconsin Vector Marketing recruits were surveyed and the survey found nearly half of the recruits earned no pay or lost money while working for Vector.

Recently the co-founder of SAVE (Students Against Vector Exploitation) a group formed by students to fight the Vector Marketing scam, won a case with the New York Department of Labor, proving that Vector violated the independent contractor- client relationship, making her an employee. This breach of contract required Vector to compensate for her training.

To join the fight against the Vector Marketing Scam you can click here.

Amendment: We have received some letters from salespeople from Vector Marketing who have said they have made great money working with this company and that the above surveys and complaints are fraudulent. One letter even stated that upon returning the start-up kit, he received a full refund and another woman claimed she earned over $2000 working with Vector Marketing.

We can only report to you the facts as we uncover them. You now have two sides to the story. It is up to you, our readers, to decide for yourself.


A quick google turns up many hits for 'vector marketing scam' Naturally, this has her worried. After sifting through the information provided us by the internet, we really couldn't decide what to believe. There were some positive testimonies mixed in as well.

I am coming to you, teamliquid, for help. If you have had experience with Vector Marketing please tell us about it. Thanks!

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Draconizard
Profile Joined October 2008
628 Posts
May 30 2009 05:56 GMT
#2
I've heard of them before and went to one of their presentations. Once I realized I was basically being asked to be a door-to-door knife salesmen, I walked out.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
May 30 2009 05:57 GMT
#3
then send out invitations to join them via mail en masse, that alone should tell you something about the company.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
leMaj24
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States262 Posts
May 30 2009 05:59 GMT
#4
lol i got one of those things in the mail, i felt special until i saw this thread.
rgfdxm
Profile Joined December 2006
United States239 Posts
May 30 2009 06:00 GMT
#5
I don't really know much about them but I was under the impression they're shady. My sister was going to interview with them last year and I talked her out of it.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 30 2009 06:03 GMT
#6
It's an obvious scam. Seriously, use your head.
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datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
May 30 2009 06:06 GMT
#7
Got a letter from them as well. It was full of jargon and it was not clear on what they were hiring for/selling. l already heard they sell knives door to door so I didn't take a second look.
Solinren
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-30 06:10:02
May 30 2009 06:08 GMT
#8
A few people from my high school did this over the summer. You're a fucking salesman and the product is shit and you will end up selling it only to people you know because they feel bad. In the end you'll wish you were working at McDonalds

edit : I didn't read the spoilers or wiki.
xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
May 30 2009 06:09 GMT
#9
I got one too, threw it away after realizing it was some broad, sent in mass vague letter from some marketing company that probably sucks and uses naive students.

Don't bother with them.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 30 2009 06:14 GMT
#10
Here's a brief summary of why anyone who does this is not thinking clearly:

You're buying really expensive low quality knives. So that you can sell them. And then you're giving 90% of the profits back to who you bought them from.

Why not buy your knives without a contract and resell them yourself? Get a bunch of cheap knives about the same quality, and mark them up a huge amount and try selling them. Except that won't work because now no one feels bad for you since you're just trying to rip people off (what Vector is doing).
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-30 06:17:34
May 30 2009 06:16 GMT
#11
I did this last summer.
The pay is fine, and I still use the product now lol (best fucking knives ever). The managers can be pushy, but it's okay.
Sounds very scammy/pyramid scheme like/false, but I'll assure you that it's legitimate.
However, be forewarned that the pay isn't as consistent as they like to convince you it is.
Also, if you're Asian, GOOD LUCK because it's way too difficult to sell to bother.
Everyone who speaks basic English and applies gets the job. In the end, don't take any shit from anyone, and you'll be fine.
Tell your girlfriend to continue searching for a job, but hey, I met people my age at divisional meetings that did fairly well selling it, it's just a matter of who you know initially to get your feet wet. PM me if you want to know anything else, because I have a lot to say on the matter, having worked for Vector for around 3 months over last summer.
EDIT: lol shit I'm going to get flamed so hard for this. Bracing myself.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 30 2009 06:17 GMT
#12
There was a thread about this a couple of years ago, I doubt much has changed. Try reading through some of the experiences here.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
May 30 2009 06:18 GMT
#13
my friend was going to do this, but we eventually talked him out of it (after he went to the first interview)

you have to provide your own transportation, and really, after counting travel time and the fact that you're only working for an hour at a time and gas money and stuff, you'll be making less than minimum wage.

me and my friends ended up deciding it wasn't an outright scam, more of a way to circumvent minimum wage (unpaid training, etc)
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Urth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1252 Posts
May 30 2009 06:25 GMT
#14
wow, I got an ad for this in the mail, but ignored it when i found out wut id be doing. Then a while ago my friend found a job, and I asked him where. And I literally just found out it was vector before seeing this thread lol
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artofmagic
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
United States1951 Posts
May 30 2009 06:27 GMT
#15
scam or not.. this job is NOT WORTH DOING. there's no way you can sell their knives to enough people to make a profit/living. one of my friend did this and was only able to successfully sell it to one person, his older brother.

just think about it.. who will buy knives from a stranger? and cmon.. how many friends and family members are in need of new knives(that costs $50+)?
evolve or die
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
May 30 2009 06:33 GMT
#16
I sold roughly $10-12k in 2-3 months last year. And I was improving as I went. Your friend may not be a good salesman, that's all. As to whether people buy the product, or what would motivate them to buy, realize that nobody is parting with their money out of pity, as I told them straight up that I'm paid just to be there. Hell, some people still call me back to say that they need some more products from me.
This job is not for everyone.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 30 2009 06:34 GMT
#17
Don't do it, simple as that.
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Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
May 30 2009 06:36 GMT
#18
On May 30 2009 15:33 mikeymoo wrote:
I sold roughly $10-12k in 2-3 months last year. And I was improving as I went. Your friend may not be a good salesman, that's all. As to whether people buy the product, or what would motivate them to buy, realize that nobody is parting with their money out of pity, as I told them straight up that I'm paid just to be there. Hell, some people still call me back to say that they need some more products from me.
This job is not for everyone.


I think you can do better selling other products if you can sell knives this well by just going person to person lol
Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-30 06:42:57
May 30 2009 06:40 GMT
#19
It's sounds basically like a pyramid scheme with nice presentation. I've seen some of these companies that circulate through college and high school campuses. Interview process was pretty easy right? Tell your friend to find an actual job. This is going to be a waste of time and dignity.

On May 30 2009 15:36 Shivaz wrote:
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On May 30 2009 15:33 mikeymoo wrote:
I sold roughly $10-12k in 2-3 months last year. And I was improving as I went. Your friend may not be a good salesman, that's all. As to whether people buy the product, or what would motivate them to buy, realize that nobody is parting with their money out of pity, as I told them straight up that I'm paid just to be there. Hell, some people still call me back to say that they need some more products from me.
This job is not for everyone.


I think you can do better selling other products if you can sell knives this well by just going person to person lol

Exactly this. For the same amount of effort, time, and money from your own pocket, you could be shooting up the ranks at an actual company where your future is worth something.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
May 30 2009 06:52 GMT
#20
I just know that I have Cutco knives at home because my cousin did this a long time ago. My parents couldn't refuse buying it.
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