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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 21:28:40
May 20 2009 21:24 GMT
#1
Inspired by GOMTvs "statistics" I decided to use some of their, and some of my own "stats" to try create the ultimate player by combining the best traits from every top player.

Offense: (Z)July - + Show Spoiler +
No explanation needed. (Z)July vs (T)firebathero on Chupung

Defence: (T)Flash - + Show Spoiler +
No explanation needed. (T)Flash vs (P)JangBi on Colosseum

Mentality: (T)iloveoov - + Show Spoiler +
Has no nerves. Doesnt lose finals. (Z)July(Gillette OSL, and PL grand-finals2007) and (P)Anytime(So1 OSL 2005) might have been the only players to get him somewhat out of balance mentally

Micro: (Z)Jaedong - + Show Spoiler +
No explanation needed. (Z)Jaedong vs (T)Iris on Chupung

Macro: (T)fOrGG + Show Spoiler +
What? Yes (T)fOrGG is the best progamer when it comes to making units, and depots. (T)fOrGG vs (P)YoonJoong on Medusa, (T)fOrGG vs (P)Stork on Athena

Econ management: (P)BeSt + Show Spoiler +
It should be macro!!!11. It's (P)BeSts probe-management that controls his macro. His nexuses never stops blinking early game, and it gives him a crazy amount of resources which enables him to make a shitton of units. He does miss pylons and que up units more than (T)fOrGG which makes (T)fOrGG a better macroer from a efficiency point of view. You could argue that due to (P)BeSts rapidly increasing economy it becomes harder to macro efficiently.

Army management: (T)Sea + Show Spoiler +
Watch his TvZs

Positioning: (T)Leta + Show Spoiler +
Watch his TvTs

Strategy: (T)BoxeR + Show Spoiler +
No explanation needed. He'll also be inside your head before you know it

Harass: (P)Kal + Show Spoiler +
I dont think Ive ever seen a more shuttle-happy player in modern times. Playing vs (P)Kal has to be really annoying

Multitask: (P)Bisu+ Show Spoiler +
(P)Bisu likes doing attacks on different places at the same time. I like watching him do that.

Innovation: (P)Horang2+ Show Spoiler +
I think Im beginning to like this player. He has showed some well executed cheese BOs lately. He still has a long way to go to be compared to (P)Nal_rA though, especially when it comes to his straight-up play.

Adaptability: (T)Mind+ Show Spoiler +
In the TvTs vs (T)fantasy in Incruit, (T)Mind really impressed me with his ability to adapt. (T)fantasy was running the show and eventually won the series, but (T)Mind was able to take one game from him, and made the one on Medusa alot more exciting than it should have been.

Game sense: (Z)sAviOr+ Show Spoiler +
No explanation needed. God of sense. My favorite (Z)sAviOr moment was his drone under (T)Iris' factory in Daum OSL @ HitchHiker

Decision making: (P)Stork+ Show Spoiler +
WTF? (P)Stork has good decisionmaking? Who would have thought? Obviously I didnt see him vs (T)MVP(I did!). Yes that was horrible, but generally you dont see (P)Stork doing stupid attacks, and hes a very patient player(except in finals)

Potential: (P)han+ Show Spoiler +
A protoss player who beat JD in the OSL-prelims when JD was in God-Mode has to have some sort of potential. OSL showed their match, and it was indeed not two short zealot-rushes. (P)han played excellent, and dispelled a very promising PvZ. Then he met (P)Rock, and we have only seen him a couple of times since then where he has been playing utterly horrible(though the games were short and onesided). Needs to begin realizing his potential soon.

Style: (P)YoonJoong+ Show Spoiler +
To become the ultimate progamer you must have fans, and to have fans you need a distinctive style. Mystery-Protoss who came out from nowhere to beat (P)Stork PvP in Storks prime back in 2007(very good game, watch it if you havent), only to not play again for another 6 months, has this kind of distinctive style. His aggressive style bares resemblence to (P)Kingdom back in the days, and if he could gain some more confidence he might very well begin performing well in TV-matches(his prelim results have been very good, but he hasnt showed the same in TV-matches.)Like (P)Kingdom his best MU is also PvP, while his worst is PvT.

Joker-factor: (T)UpMaGiC+ Show Spoiler +
Hes the kind of player you dont want to meet in a BO1. Unorthodox playingstyle with tons of tricks up his sleeve made the koreans dub him post- Yo Hwan. (T)UpMaGiC vs (P)Nal_rA on Nemesis and (T)UpMaGiC vs (P)Pusan on Hitchhiker are two very nice games which displays his unpredictability and rare unit combos

Charisma: (T)firebathero+ Show Spoiler +
Noone can deny this guys charisma

Talent: (T)sKyHigh+ Show Spoiler +
12-0 OSL/MSL prelims fall 2007. Then a year of struggling to get over his nerves. And this year he has finally cemented himself as CJs #1 player, and waved goodbye to his TV-match nerves with his 4-0(WL-final) in a incredible high pressure set of matches. I expect a semi-final or final appearance in one of the starleagues this year.

Stability(long-term): (T)NaDa + Show Spoiler +
No explanation needed top 20 KeSPA 6/7 years(?)

Stability(short-term): (T)Light+ Show Spoiler +
This might be a surprise, but this guy never slumps. Mostly because hes not generally regarded as championship material, thus his losses arent highlighted as much as (T)Sea or S-Class players for example. He has always been a A-class progamer since his breakthrough in 2006, and always performed steadily. Like (T)Sea, he also doesnt have a particular weak matchup. Him and (T)Sea are the two reasons MBC isnt below eSTRO on the PL rank, since (Z)July , (P)Bisu left, and (P)Pusan s perfomances got worse

Flair: (P)Reach + Show Spoiler +
(P)Reach vs (T)Oov @ Requiem

Ballsyness: (P)Anytime + Show Spoiler +
(P)Anytime vs (T)DarkElf @ Monty Hall

Deceptiveness: (Z)YellOw+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)YellOw vs (P)free[gm] @ Andromeda


Stubborness: (P)Much, (P)free[gm] , (T)Canata, (P)Kal, (T)Hwasin, (Z)GoRush + Show Spoiler +
Watch any game they lose


What are your thoughts about these player-categories, and who do you feel fit best in each of them? Feel free to come up with new categories. Try to be a bit creative and have a different progamer in each category. (T)Flash/(P)Bisu/(Z)Jaedong gets old, eventhough they certainly can be argued for in more than one category.

If the player isnt a known A-class player, regular proleaguer or better, make a small writeup about them(like the ones I did on (P)han and (P)YoonJoong), and give examples from matches where they display the abilities. Dont use retired players please.

Use as many categories as you want. HF

Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
May 20 2009 21:27 GMT
#2
Only really need (P)Bisu though. I do not see your argument?
Graphics
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
May 20 2009 21:34 GMT
#3
More like Leta... as long as you have Leta it's fine dude.
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
May 20 2009 21:34 GMT
#4
imo effort needs to be in there... somewhere...
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
May 20 2009 21:35 GMT
#5
Storms: (P)JangBi
We've all seen his epic storm clip against (T)NaDa but every time I see this guy play with HTs he manages to pull of perfect storms.

:D
BW4Life!
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
May 20 2009 21:35 GMT
#6
Army management has to be Flash. It's for a reason he turtles until he maxes out his army!
I remember a game not too long ago with him versus Jaedong on a very large map, Flash went SK terran and Jaedong went hydra-lurk. That was simply breathtaking, by both players actually!
This signature is ruining eSports.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 21:40:30
May 20 2009 21:39 GMT
#7
On May 21 2009 06:27 keit wrote:
(T)Only (T)Really need (P)Bisu though. I do not see your argument?


Thats why (P)Bisu has so many OSL titles.

Now for the important categories:
Cooking: (T)Midas
Dancing: (Z)Jaedong
Ceremonies: (T)firebathero
Emotions : CJ Entus
Pretending to be old enough to buy booze : (P)Much
Disguises: (P)Stork
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
May 20 2009 21:51 GMT
#8
just combine (T)MVP, (T)GanZi, and (T)PianO together

there you go, the ultimate terran player
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 23:01:24
May 20 2009 21:58 GMT
#9
Most entertaining GTFO style:

CC on natural: (T)go.go (vs many most notably vs (P)BeSt)
Nukes: (T)firebathero (vs many most notably vs (T)Sheis)
Mass factory add-ons 1a2a3a pungpung mode: (T)firebathero (most notable vs (T)Canata)
Defensive matrixing overlords: (T)Flash (vs (Z)maGma)
Pylon heart: (P)Much (vs (T)firebathero)
Killing own scvs with vultures: (T)Mind (vs (T)Really on Blue Storm)
Zealot dancing: (P)YoonJoong (vs (T)Lomo)
Muta dancing: (Z)OversKy (recent ZvZ in PL)
Mass nexuses in the center of the map: Korean pro vs nonkorean on Blue Storm in Scforalls ProvsAmateur series
BCs TvZ: (T)firebathero vs (Z)Jaedong (T)firebathero vs (Z)sAviOr
Infested CC: (Z)ChoJJa and (Z)sAviOr (both vs (T)NaDa on Nemesis and Reverse Temple respectively) (Z)GoRush against (T)sAviOr on Desperado
Scouts: (P)Bisu (vs (T)Hwasin)

Epic fail GTFOs(GTFOs that backfires, and makes the player doing the GTFO lose instead of win)
(P)fOru vs (T)NaDa River of Flames
(T)DarkElf vs (T)Oov Monty Hall
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
May 20 2009 22:05 GMT
#10
On May 21 2009 06:39 h3r1n6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 06:27 keit wrote:
(T)Only (T)Really need (P)Bisu though. I do not see your argument?


Thats why (P)Bisu has so many OSL titles.

Now for the important categories:
Cooking: (T)Midas
Dancing: (Z)Jaedong
Ceremonies: (T)firebathero
Emotions : CJ Entus
Pretending to be old enough to buy booze : (P)Much
Disguises: (P)Stork


nice!
SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
May 20 2009 22:08 GMT
#11
FBH = Best player
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 22:11:17
May 20 2009 22:10 GMT
#12
Offense: (P)GuemChi
Defence: (P)GuemChi
Mentality: (P)GuemChi
Micro: (P)GuemChi
Macro: (P)GuemChi
Econ management: (P)GuemChi
Army management: (P)GuemChi
Positioning: (P)GuemChi
Strategy: (P)GuemChi
Harass: (P)GuemChi
Multitask: (P)GuemChi
Innovation: (P)GuemChi
Adaptability: (P)GuemChi
Game Sense: (P)GuemChi
Decision making: (P)GuemChi
Potential: (P)GuemChi
Style: (P)GuemChi
Joker-factor: (P)GuemChi
Charisma: (P)GuemChi
Talent: (P)GuemChi
Stability(long-term): (P)GuemChi
Stability(short-term): (P)GuemChi
Flair: (P)GuemChi
Ballsyness: (P)GuemChi
Deceptiveness: (P)GuemChi
Stubborness: (P)GuemChi

He really will be the next bonjwa
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 22:20:39
May 20 2009 22:19 GMT
#13
On May 21 2009 06:58 Guybrush wrote:
Infested CC: (Z)ChoJJa and (Z)sAviOr (both vs (T)NaDa on Nemesis and Reverse Temple respectively)

Also (Z)GoRush against (T)sAviOr iirc
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/1650_GoRush_vs_sAviOr


Edit: + Show Spoiler +
Also (Z)sAviOr vs (T)firebathero on python iirc although (T)firebathero won
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
May 20 2009 22:22 GMT
#14
On May 21 2009 06:58 Guybrush wrote:
BCs TvZ: (T)firebathero vs (Z)Jaedong

Also (T)firebathero vs (Z)sAviOr on Python
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
May 20 2009 22:37 GMT
#15
On May 21 2009 07:22 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 06:58 Guybrush wrote:
BCs TvZ: (T)firebathero vs (Z)Jaedong

Also (T)firebathero vs (Z)sAviOr on Python


Ok, adding them. Thanks!

Feel free to give examples of other GTFO styles in progames.
Personally Ive used floating CCs to opponents main, built tons of citadels in the center of the map, and flooded their main with overlords.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 22:47:19
May 20 2009 22:43 GMT
#16
han is too old to have the most potential, I was blown by his games vs JD, but its still not enough
Hwasin has huge potential in all MU's but cant put it all together
Clutch Play : Casy , when he has a day he can beat every zerg on the planet, even the two best zergs in 1v2
as for the GTFO play, the winner of this category should be no other than The Fiftygatewayman f0ru vs Nada
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 22:58:52
May 20 2009 22:57 GMT
#17
Some players bloom later than others. firebathero didnt get into a SL before he was the same age as han is now. Much is an even more extreme example, not entering a SL before he was 23(korean age).
Clutch play is a player that rises to the occassion and plays better than his usual self, like Anytime vs Stork in the PL grand final in 2008. Casy isnt really that kind of player, or atleast he hasnt been in those high pressure situations enough for him to show it. eventhough I agree that on his best his TvZ is crazy though.

Adding foru to "epic fail GTFO" alongside Darkelf vs Oov
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
Abydos1
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States832 Posts
May 21 2009 00:57 GMT
#18
Charisma: Bunkie
"...perhaps the greatest joy possible in Starcraft, being accused of being a maphacker" - Day[9]
Blyf
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Denmark408 Posts
May 21 2009 01:26 GMT
#19
I need links for those games where the players show their skillz0rz. Where are the links?
"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin --- wtf? begets isn't a word. quit trying to make up words, fuckface. - Some idiot --- D3 Evelynn main with a side of Ashe/Tristana
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
May 21 2009 01:55 GMT
#20
Bisu should be under Insane Multitasking via dual pronged attacks
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