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With no SAT score and a poor HS GPA (I'm not sure how that iBT score measures up) I think your friend will have a tough time getting into good four year universities. But why not apply to 9 or 10 universities and see what happens? As far as I know, some schools in the cal state system are fairly liberal with admitting students with poor profiles.
Quite a few koreans actually attend SBCC here in santa barbara and then transfer to UCSB or another university after two years. I think getting in there is a safe bet and would be an excellent way to get him on his feet, especially since there is a fairly strong korean community here (my roommate is korean and I see them all the time)
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consider getting into a German university. It's relatively easy to get in, sometimes even w/o a German test (mostly only for MSc degrees though, here at TU Munich)
After the first few semesters, more than 50% will have dropped out though, so bear that in mind.
The smaller German universities should be even easier to get into. I've seen courses at TU Darmstadt, where you could just appear a week before the semester starts and be like "Hey, I wanna join, let's go..."
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you won't get very far in your free time w/o German though. There are quite big Chinese communities on most campuses though, but Korean, not so much.
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I'm in the same position.
I have a shit university GPA but my highschool mark is around a 4.0 and even I'm having problems getting into a place :S I wish your friend the best of luck, but the only way is to take university/college courses as an "Open Studies" student to get a decent GPA which the university/colleges will then use to see if they want him or not.
Best of luck.
EDIT: I remember now, my friend was about to take the TOFEL but the university recommended that she take the "MELAB" but I'm not too sure if it's only offered in Canada or the States as well but you could take a look into that. It's actually supposed to be much easier than the TOFEL and the wait period is less as well.
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** He isn't my friend. He's a student of mine. Also, I am only searching US universities. This is for my JOB. He's a last minute walk-in student who changed his mind about going to the army and now wants to go abroad to the States for school.**
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Sorry about that.
MELAB tests are available in the States and it's an equivalent to the TOFEL but somewhat easier (my friend took the TOFEL and failed and took the MELAB on a later date and passed with a 90%).
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If your student were to come down to southern california I think the best community college he can transfer quick should be SMC(santa monica college). I transferred out of SMC with in 2 1/2(1/2 cause I played around too much) years. Theres nothing much he can do in southern california without SAT and ACT. Theres a fair amount of Koreans(not those white wash ones) that goes there so he can fit in well.
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On May 19 2009 18:09 indecision wrote:
you won't get very far in your free time w/o German though. There are quite big Chinese communities on most campuses though, but Korean, not so much.
I go to school at UW Madison and we seem to have a much larger Korean community in this city than any other nationality but I can't offer empirical evidence. I took a few classes at the downtown community college (which offers guaranteed admission to UW) and there were always a couple of Korean dudes hanging out, so that might be an option worth looking into.
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http://www.foothill.fhda.edu/index.php
Several exchange students from Korea or Japan go here. I tutored here for a short period. They transfer up to 4 year colleges after you finish the 2 year program.
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I agree with AcrossFiveJulys, Santa Barbara City College and then a transfer to UCSB seems like a good plan. I'm a student at UCSB right now and the Korean community is pretty strong. Plus, the SB area is really nice =)
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UMontana doesn't have a real deadline so I think your student can still apply. SAT is not required. The school only require 61 on iBT.
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With his iBT where it stands and the criterion, you're going to have a tough time. I checked my school as a reference, since we (amazingly and mind-bogglingly) have a rather large international student body, and are fairly easy to get into (my roommate graduated HS with a 66, ~1350/2400 on SATs and only did Cross Country/Track in HS). They require a 70 on the iBT alone apparently to even be considered. Like I said, I thought we were a fairly lowball qualifier school to get into.
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Has he considered going to community college first then transfer? If so Mesa College in San Diego has a guaranteed transfer program to UCSD (of course you still have to pass your classes). But afaik this is the best deal for ppl without a good high school profile, considering how good a school UCSD is.
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I studied in the US and I didn't need to do the SAT or nothing. Just an IELTS or something to prove I could speak fluent english. I got the impression this goes for all schools that take exchange students.
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On May 19 2009 18:55 Hydrolisko wrote:
Has he considered going to community college first then transfer? If so Mesa College in San Diego has a guaranteed transfer program to UCSD (of course you still have to pass your classes). But afaik this is the best deal for ppl without a good high school profile, considering how good a school UCSD is.
ya susie I know its not what your looking for, but alot of the schools (at least in california that I know of that are jr. colleges) have a university that will auto-accept after 2 years.
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July 1st, 2009? o_O That's late as hell, Cornell's deadline was Jan 2nd, Ithaca was Feb 1st, Rutgers' "recommended" end date was April 1st (although it is rolling, you will have to make sure it's still available).
Try Rutgers (NJ). It's one of the best state schools, there are plenty of fluent Korean students, it is pretty close to almost everything that is of interest - NYC, mountains for snowboarding, the beach, and the dorms are in a pretty low-crime section of the cities in the area. A lot of my friends go there, and I was going to as well. The acceptance rate is pretty good and the GPA requirement is not that high.
The best thing for him to do imo is apply for Continuing Education (extramural studies in some colleges). This allows him to pay per credit and get college credits, show that he is a willing student, and show allegiance to the college of his choice. They take pretty much anyone for this program, in almost any college. I don't think there is a chance of scholarship, but given his GPA it seems unlikely for regular college anyways. In that time he can practice English, determine whether he likes the college he is going to, get his bearings in the USA, get some friends, all with 2-3 courses as opposed to the norm of 5-6 per semester (I think? At least that's what most people I know are doing), so he has plenty of free time to study harder to get good grades to impress people on his application for Fall '10 or even Spring '10. This gives him a wider variety of choices for colleges (since not many are still accepting for Fall '09), a low-pressure environment, and the above benefits [: Also gives him more time to write specified applications if necessary.
Btw, something I've only seen this year is the commonapp, he should look into it. Many schools accept it and it's convenient, saves time, and keeps you up to date where many colleges fail to do so [:
https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/default.aspx
EDIT: Also, while he is in the extramural program, he REALLY should look into taking the SATs or ACT. It's pretty damn important. The free time and his being in America would make this much easier.
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On May 19 2009 19:20 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 18:55 Hydrolisko wrote:
Has he considered going to community college first then transfer? If so Mesa College in San Diego has a guaranteed transfer program to UCSD (of course you still have to pass your classes). But afaik this is the best deal for ppl without a good high school profile, considering how good a school UCSD is. ya susie I know its not what your looking for, but alot of the schools (at least in california that I know of that are jr. colleges) have a university that will auto-accept after 2 years.
Rutgers does this with MCC (Middlesex Community College) as long as you have higher than a C or B- or something. This saves money for the same eventual degree, and would be a lot easier to get into since CC's usually accept up to last minute.
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On May 19 2009 20:01 iCCup.deL wrote:Int. students can get into Aussie unis EZEZ + Show Spoiler + :3
She said USA specifically.
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On May 19 2009 19:51 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 19:20 AttackZerg wrote:On May 19 2009 18:55 Hydrolisko wrote:
Has he considered going to community college first then transfer? If so Mesa College in San Diego has a guaranteed transfer program to UCSD (of course you still have to pass your classes). But afaik this is the best deal for ppl without a good high school profile, considering how good a school UCSD is. ya susie I know its not what your looking for, but alot of the schools (at least in california that I know of that are jr. colleges) have a university that will auto-accept after 2 years. Rutgers does this with MCC (Middlesex Community College) as long as you have higher than a C or B- or something. This saves money for the same eventual degree, and would be a lot easier to get into since CC's usually accept up to last minute.
Yes the community colleges here are still accept for the fall semester(I can get you more information if you decide that it MIGHT be an option lilsusie)
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Ummm try a community college or an internet college. They have the lowest standards. But in the meantime try and get him to take the SAT. If he fails.... he can just not say anything to the colleges.
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Thanks for all the advice.
However, this is my job guys. I know all this information already. I know due dates, essay topics, hell, I even know people ON admissions boards. What I really really need to know (like the kid who said UMontana) is if you know any schools, local or just small ones that take students under these criteria.
I can work with a lot of different types of students, but this is my first extreme case, wanted to tap into TL to see if they know of any smaller universities that aren't well known.
As for commonapp, MOST require SAT. I can check www.fairtest.org too but I'd need to cross reference all the schools that don't take SAT + late late late deadline.
Blows, eh?
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I'm pretty sure Rutgers requires the SAT.
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Check out the Evergreen State College in Oluympia, WA. I don't think that you can apply for fall quarter that late (unless its different for international students. We have a sizable Int. student population.
Oh and its really awesome here
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go to college instead, no chance of university of accepting him.
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Is he interested in a 4 yr technical school? I would say that is his best option... is this something you could convince him of?
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On May 20 2009 00:11 sexsexpussyhair wrote:
go to college instead, no chance of university of accepting him.
In the States, they are basically the same thing.
Update: CSU San Bernardino and CSU Stanislaus accepts under my conditions. I'm still on a search for more....
As for Rutgers - it's a state school meaning they require SAT (even Newark does) and you need a Toefl score of 80 or better.
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LOL yeah I was considering those too... bleh. I hate this kid. Fuckin' kids. so incompetent.
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consider asking on the CollegeConfidential website, in their 'college search' forum. There're a lot of people there who know a ton about colleges and anything college-related, so they'll be able to give you some colleges that fit your student (better help than TL at least).
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/
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Is giving up on this kid an option? Not only are most admission cycles over, this kid isn't even very qualified to go to college. If you can, I wouldn't view it a blight on your reputation if you just let the kid go.
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i dont understand why he wouldnt take the SATs
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On May 20 2009 12:04 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i dont understand why he wouldnt take the SATs
Doesn't speak english perhaps?
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i mean i think id recommend him to do a pg year or one year something at a boarding school if he really wants to get into a college in the us
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On May 20 2009 12:03 XinRan wrote:
Is giving up on this kid an option? Not only are most admission cycles over, this kid isn't even very qualified to go to college. If you can, I wouldn't view it a blight on your reputation if you just let the kid go.
I wish. I really can't. I HAVE to send him SOME where. He refuses to take the SAT. It was like pulling teeth for me to get him to take Toefl.
There must be SOME stupid school that takes ANYONE and their dogs for some money...
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How old is this kid? As in, when did he graduate from high school? In many state universities, if he's been graduated for over five years and wanting to come in, he would be considered a non-traditional student and would therefore, at least at my university, not have to take the SAT.
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On May 20 2009 09:32 lilsusie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 00:11 sexsexpussyhair wrote:
go to college instead, no chance of university of accepting him. In the States, they are basically the same thing. Update: CSU San Bernardino and CSU Stanislaus accepts under my conditions. I'm still on a search for more.... As for Rutgers - it's a state school meaning they require SAT (even Newark does) and you need a Toefl score of 80 or better.
As a student going to CSU Stanislaus, I wouldn't really recommend it. PM me if you're interested to know.
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On May 20 2009 14:56 Track wrote:
How old is this kid? As in, when did he graduate from high school? In many state universities, if he's been graduated for over five years and wanting to come in, he would be considered a non-traditional student and would therefore, at least at my university, not have to take the SAT.
Ooh.. he was born in 1986. I think he graduated a HS in New Zealand in 2005. Which university is it?
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Why didn't he just attend Universities in New Zealand their entry requirements aren't that high.
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I DONT KNOW. I just work with what I got and what I got is this. If he wanted to go to uni in NZ, then he would have gone there and not sought my help. That goes for schools in Germany or wherever people were suggesting.
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Why not a University in Canada? They aren't that bad. Plus you don't need SAT's for any. Also, why are you doing this? Something for your job? Just curious.
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On May 20 2009 17:55 rushz0rz wrote:
Why not a University in Canada? They aren't that bad. Plus you don't need SAT's for any. Also, why are you doing this? Something for your job? Just curious.
On May 19 2009 18:16 lilsusie wrote:
** He isn't my friend. He's a student of mine. Also, I am only searching US universities. This is for my JOB. He's a last minute walk-in student who changed his mind about going to the army and now wants to go abroad to the States for school.**
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Susie, I go to Kennesaw State University in Atlanta, GA.
www.kennesaw.edu
Good 4 year university.
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On May 20 2009 10:33 lilsusie wrote:
LOL yeah I was considering those too... bleh. I hate this kid. Fuckin' kids. so incompetent.
I know right?
I also hate those fuckin' people who can't do their own jobs. so incompetent.
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On May 21 2009 09:36 srslySTFU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 10:33 lilsusie wrote:
LOL yeah I was considering those too... bleh. I hate this kid. Fuckin' kids. so incompetent. I know right? I also hate those fuckin' people who can't do their own jobs. so incompetent.
i lol'd....
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On May 21 2009 09:36 srslySTFU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 10:33 lilsusie wrote:
LOL yeah I was considering those too... bleh. I hate this kid. Fuckin' kids. so incompetent. I know right? I also hate those fuckin' people who can't do their own jobs. so incompetent.
So .. you created an acct to tell me that I'm not doing my own job correctly because I'm utilizing my resources, such as asking for data input from a community forum filled with members around college age from all around the States? Right.
Thanks to those of you who have actually given me some good information to work with - and for being capable of reading the original post and responding accordingly. I'll look into some of the schools you have mentioned and some of the 2 year community college options too.
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