I live on a rather isolated area, very little traffic despite being stuck between 4 different towns.
Anyway, I take a bus to school, but because of the location of my house, the bus stop in which I take the bus from is the second last bus stop before the bus gets on the expressway (highway). And every single fucking day, I see this same stupid scene:
PEOPLE NOT MOVING WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO BOARD THE BUS, DESPITE THE LARGE AMOUNT OF SPACE THERE IS OR HOW MUCH THE BUS DRIVER ASKS THEM TO MOVE.
I feel so pissed at the arrogant Singaporeans. Living here for most of my life, I've seen both the good and the ugly side, and I always wonder why most Singaporeans are such selfish bitches.
If they tried to make space by moving to the back of the bus, but the passengers still can't board, then that's fine. But the thing is, the passengers already on board give that "I don't give a fucking damn about other people as long as I'm fine" face and attitude. It sickens me.
Not only does their selfish act ruin other people's day who end up being late for work or late for school (like what happens to me 50% of the time because of such cases), but they give a negative image of Singapore.
Or maybe Singapore didn't even have an image to begin with.
So, TL. Is this scene familiar in where you live, or is this just another Singaporean-speciality attitude?
Poll: Happens in where you live? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
you two seem too close, are you sure there isn't a hidden blossoming romance?
On topic, people are generally ok here but there are numerous times when some people need to get yelled at to move. Compared to my recent visit to hong kong though theres a lot more seats here which are good for inciting people to move inwards.
People here are really good about moving to the back of the bus and trying to make room which is good because the main route busses get so fucking packed they feel like japanese subways sometimes
One of my friends from Singapore reckons that because Singapore is comprised mainly of formerly-working class immigrants who have worked their way into the nouveau-riche or middle classes, many of the people are selfish and individualistic (however, when it comes to one's family, there the old pan-Asian collectivist attitudes prevail).
Having never been there I couldn't possibly comment.
On May 08 2009 20:38 floor exercise wrote: People here are really good about moving to the back of the bus and trying to make room which is good because the main route busses get so fucking packed they feel like japanese subways sometimes
Japanese subways have much improved, I just visited Japan last year
On May 08 2009 20:41 The Raurosaur wrote: One of my friends from Singapore reckons that because Singapore is comprised mainly of formerly-working class immigrants who have worked their way into the nouveau-riche or middle classes, many of the people are selfish and individualistic (however, when it comes to one's family, there the old pan-Asian collectivist attitudes prevail).
Having never been there I couldn't possibly comment.
Yes that is what I think too. Compare this with countries comprised of actual natives, such as Korea, Japan and China. They have this mutual sense of respect for each other because the countries were built on moral codes, ideologies and religions dating centuries back, unlike this new, suddenly-appeared Singapore. Insufficient time has been given for the country to build its society.
In Holland we have lots of bus lanes so taking the bus is pretty much always a smooth ride.
Actually this answer makes no sense upon rereading it.
Buses are never that packed in holland except when i take the bus to the university in which case the bus driver just shouts over the microphone to everyone to move to the back of the bus.
On May 08 2009 20:33 pachi wrote: you two seem too close, are you sure there isn't a hidden blossoming romance?
On topic, people are generally ok here but there are numerous times when some people need to get yelled at to move. Compared to my recent visit to hong kong though theres a lot more seats here which are good for inciting people to move inwards.
so i say 'get out of the way, man' and point behind them and they look behind them at the gigantic open space and get the fuck out of the way
if they just aren't paying attention i'm polite but if they give me that indignant stare like they dare me to tell them to move their ass, i tell them to move their ass. as it turns out i end up telling a lot of people to move their ass
On May 08 2009 21:20 snowbird wrote: konadora and smix, maybe you should exchange MSN and get to know each other better? how old are you both?
you would make such a cute couple!
That might devolve into a situation where one visits the other, finds suspicious chat logs on their computer and makes a huge post asking us if they should break up or not.
I've never experienced this, probably because the public transportation system isn't THAT busy around where I live, but even when the bus is full I go near the back. If someone was blocking me from getting into the bus for no reason while the bus driver was asking them to move I'd be pissed though..
just push them out of the way, luckily that never happens here in Brisbane, most of time the trains aren't that crowded and on the bus to uni in the morning people generally move up to the back so there is space unless the whole bus is full. Which doesn't really happen that often unless you catch the bus at stupid times like 9 or 3 o'clock, stupid school kids...
On May 08 2009 21:26 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: konadora though add me to msn so we can get some beers or something though - graedusx@hotmail.com
the rest of you fools (cough fucking cough snowbird) can feel free to add me as well if you don't mind nonstop biting criticism
Steve's a wimp. If you only knew how many times I got I'med, 'JOEHOE! I HAVE A PROBLEM! MY GIRLFRIEND HATES ME! I GOT DRUNK OFF OF THREE MALT BEVERAGES!'
On May 08 2009 21:26 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: konadora though add me to msn so we can get some beers or something though - graedusx@hotmail.com
the rest of you fools (cough fucking cough snowbird) can feel free to add me as well if you don't mind nonstop biting criticism
Steve's a wimp. If you only knew how many times I got I'med, 'JOEHOE! I HAVE A PROBLEM! MY GIRLFRIEND HATES ME! I GOT DRUNK OFF OF THREE MALT BEVERAGES!'
On May 08 2009 21:26 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: konadora though add me to msn so we can get some beers or something though - graedusx@hotmail.com
the rest of you fools (cough fucking cough snowbird) can feel free to add me as well if you don't mind nonstop biting criticism
Steve's a wimp. If you only knew how many times I got I'med, 'JOEHOE! I HAVE A PROBLEM! MY GIRLFRIEND HATES ME! I GOT DRUNK OFF OF THREE MALT BEVERAGES!'
Good guy, but let's not put him on that high up!
o no... my secret... how could u
It's ok, I still love you broski. Now chat with me on aim
I don't think it's necessarily unique to Singapore. I bus every day here in Toronto too, and it happens during rush hour. Often the bus driver simply won't close to door and start driving until everyone gets the hint.
On May 08 2009 21:03 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i experience this as well
so i say 'get out of the way, man' and point behind them and they look behind them at the gigantic open space and get the fuck out of the way
if they just aren't paying attention i'm polite but if they give me that indignant stare like they dare me to tell them to move their ass, i tell them to move their ass. as it turns out i end up telling a lot of people to move their ass
Yep it's all about telling people to do shit. If no one stands up to them except the bus driver who is suppossed to then people probably wontlisten. When citizens get involved shit gets doneee
just try doing this in any third world country, you'd get pushed into the corner while being stomped on, bus will get packed so tight at times that you wont be able to breathe barely holding onto the wall not to get completely crushed
no choice. what to do. makes me cannot board the bus back to camp at times. the singaporean females also not really comfortable with tuna-like squeezing. nebermind la.
Yell at them. Most people are sheep and do stuff when they are told to. Only a real asshole would confront you, especially when you are morally in the right.
On May 09 2009 00:05 food wrote: just try doing this in any third world country, you'd get pushed into the corner while being stomped on, bus will get packed so tight at times that you wont be able to breathe barely holding onto the wall not to get completely crushed
Oh, I'm plenty sure you'd get the same treatment in NYC.
On May 09 2009 00:29 ghostWriter wrote: Yell at them. Most people are sheep and do stuff when they are told to. Only a real asshole would confront you, especially when you are morally in the right.
On May 09 2009 00:05 food wrote: just try doing this in any third world country, you'd get pushed into the corner while being stomped on, bus will get packed so tight at times that you wont be able to breathe barely holding onto the wall not to get completely crushed
Oh, I'm plenty sure you'd get the same treatment in NYC.
Or anywhere else except Singapore because Singapore's laws are so strictly enforced. Life in prison, sup.
Happens lots, but not everyone does it. I'd say 50% of people around here are inconsiderate jerks, which means most of the time you have to stare into someone's soul to make them move :O It's the same with people who don't hold doors open for people behind them. Makes you wanna smack them across the head grrrr.
3 options 1- board by the back when ppl are getting off 2- open the back door via the emergency button and nicely tell ppl to move 3- open the back door via the emergency button and yell at the ppl
depends on my mood but usually i would pick option 2
man the funniest thing happened to me the other day. I was on the phone while driving and this guy just freaked out on me, started beeping me and pulled up beside me at the stop lights and made gestures of disapproval. I ignored him and continued speaking on my phone and he follows me for another 2minutes, all the while beeping me. I finally get done with my call and glance at his direction and hes got a camera out taking pics of me lol. after that he speeds off.
I just need to make it clear that I did not violate any other traffic rules during all that time and I do not agree with any law that says I cant have a phone to my ear while driving.
On May 09 2009 01:25 NeverTheEndlessWiz wrote: 3 options 1- board by the back when ppl are getting off 2- open the back door via the emergency button and nicely tell ppl to move 3- open the back door via the emergency button and yell at the ppl
depends on my mood but usually i would pick option 2
Lol no.2 and 3 can meh? I thought usually the bus driver open for you.
On May 09 2009 01:30 alffla wrote: lol wtf didnt know singaporeans were likel that O _ o
just shout ka ni na chao chee bai :D
Now you know >
On May 09 2009 01:32 gusbear wrote: man the funniest thing happened to me the other day. I was on the phone while driving and this guy just freaked out on me, started beeping me and pulled up beside me at the stop lights and made gestures of disapproval. I ignored him and continued speaking on my phone and he follows me for another 2minutes, all the while beeping me. I finally get done with my call and glance at his direction and hes got a camera out taking pics of me lol. after that he speeds off.
I just need to make it clear that I did not violate any other traffic rules during all that time and I do not agree with any law that says I cant have a phone to my ear while driving.
On May 09 2009 01:48 ZoW wrote: It happens occasionally here in nyc. Although most of the time, buses and trains are just totally full with people. Rush hour is a nightmare =(
In my cases, if the people actually move in, they might create like 20~30% additional space. But those lazy fags just can't fucking move.
On May 09 2009 01:25 NeverTheEndlessWiz wrote: 3 options 1- board by the back when ppl are getting off 2- open the back door via the emergency button and nicely tell ppl to move 3- open the back door via the emergency button and yell at the ppl
depends on my mood but usually i would pick option 2
Lol no.2 and 3 can meh? I thought usually the bus driver open for you.
can. be bold. it has to be done; someone has to start making this world a better place by doing what little/much he can do
sometimes the driver doesn't even bother any more, so there are times when he just drives by without considering the passengers at the bus stop. NOW THIS really pisses me off.
On May 09 2009 01:48 ZoW wrote: It happens occasionally here in nyc. Although most of the time, buses and trains are just totally full with people. Rush hour is a nightmare =(
In my cases, if the people actually move in, they might create like 20~30% additional space. But those lazy fags just can't fucking move.
Subway in NYC isnt the problem, its a lot better compared to Japanese cities. Buses is where people will just crowd up the front refusing to move to the back, we even have a loud message now when anyone presses the stop indicator...
On May 09 2009 01:25 NeverTheEndlessWiz wrote: 3 options 1- board by the back when ppl are getting off 2- open the back door via the emergency button and nicely tell ppl to move 3- open the back door via the emergency button and yell at the ppl
depends on my mood but usually i would pick option 2
Lol no.2 and 3 can meh? I thought usually the bus driver open for you.
can. be bold. it has to be done; someone has to start making this world a better place by doing what little/much he can do
sometimes the driver doesn't even bother any more, so there are times when he just drives by without considering the passengers at the bus stop. NOW THIS really pisses me off.
On May 09 2009 01:48 ZoW wrote: It happens occasionally here in nyc. Although most of the time, buses and trains are just totally full with people. Rush hour is a nightmare =(
In my cases, if the people actually move in, they might create like 20~30% additional space. But those lazy fags just can't fucking move.
Subway in NYC isnt the problem, its a lot better compared to Japanese cities. Buses is where people will just crowd up the front refusing to move to the back, we even have a loud message now when anyone presses the stop indicator...
On May 09 2009 00:00 LosingID8 wrote: here in los angeles i've never had that problem and i used to take public transportation at least once or twice a week.
I've been in Taipei Public Transit for 3 months and everyone is more or less friendly. Story: My Cousin and me 23 and 20 respectivly were sitting on a full bus when a elderly guy with a cane came on so, my cousin offerd her seat first (she was on the outside) and the old dude declined because she was a women.... Sooo she looks in my direction... But, at the time I really had to take a crap and couldn't stand up on a shaking bus for fifteen minutes... Long story short I ended up giving my seat away and getting off at the next Seven Eleven to take a dump.
Yea, Taipei buses are packed to breaking point and people still will move aside for elderly.
On May 09 2009 01:32 gusbear wrote: man the funniest thing happened to me the other day. I was on the phone while driving and this guy just freaked out on me, started beeping me and pulled up beside me at the stop lights and made gestures of disapproval. I ignored him and continued speaking on my phone and he follows me for another 2minutes, all the while beeping me. I finally get done with my call and glance at his direction and hes got a camera out taking pics of me lol. after that he speeds off.
I just need to make it clear that I did not violate any other traffic rules during all that time and I do not agree with any law that says I cant have a phone to my ear while driving.
Ironic that he'd do something that's a bit more dangerous/distracting while driving to 'bust you' in the process of violating some minor traffic law
On May 09 2009 01:32 gusbear wrote: man the funniest thing happened to me the other day. I was on the phone while driving and this guy just freaked out on me, started beeping me and pulled up beside me at the stop lights and made gestures of disapproval. I ignored him and continued speaking on my phone and he follows me for another 2minutes, all the while beeping me. I finally get done with my call and glance at his direction and hes got a camera out taking pics of me lol. after that he speeds off.
I just need to make it clear that I did not violate any other traffic rules during all that time and I do not agree with any law that says I cant have a phone to my ear while driving.
Ironic that he'd do something that's a bit more dangerous/distracting while driving to 'bust you' in the process of violating some minor traffic law
People who are driving while on the phone are as likely to crash as someone who has consumed twice the legal amount of allowed alcohol iirc, I wouldn't call it minor.
On May 08 2009 20:33 pachi wrote: you two seem too close, are you sure there isn't a hidden blossoming romance?
On topic, people are generally ok here but there are numerous times when some people need to get yelled at to move. Compared to my recent visit to hong kong though theres a lot more seats here which are good for inciting people to move inwards.
On May 09 2009 01:25 NeverTheEndlessWiz wrote: 3 options 1- board by the back when ppl are getting off 2- open the back door via the emergency button and nicely tell ppl to move 3- open the back door via the emergency button and yell at the ppl
depends on my mood but usually i would pick option 2
Lol no.2 and 3 can meh? I thought usually the bus driver open for you.
can. be bold. it has to be done; someone has to start making this world a better place by doing what little/much he can do
sometimes the driver doesn't even bother any more, so there are times when he just drives by without considering the passengers at the bus stop. NOW THIS really pisses me off.
From: xxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.com] Sent: 20/07/2007 00:00 To: SMRT Corporate Communications Subject: Feedback regarding bus captain of xxxx123x of service xxx
Hi, I would like to feedback regarding the bus captain of xxxx123x of service xxx from 1030pm to 1100pm, 19 July 2007. I have enjoyed TIBs bus services for 8 years or so; always liked the comfortable seats, air conditioning and trips to and from my school day memories. Seriously speaking, SBS can't hold a candle against TIBs; I will be bias that I've never liked SBS. However just because of a single incident, I am now seriously considering never to take service 700 again, deciding to alternatively take 190 or 960 to town areas. I am not angry but just pretty much disgusted and more importantly, disappointed. I boarded the bus from parkmall and intend to alight at bukit panjang. Coming up on board, my friend and I took a pair of opposing seats that are facing everyone. I took out my glasses to rest my eyes while listening attentively to my friend speaking to me. Halfway through the journey, the captain came over my side and asked me if there is anything wrong with my eyes in mandarin. At first I didn't understand what was he trying to say since 1-I was having sore eyes that day, 2-both of my eyes are more than 800 degrees, and to top up with dimmer lighting due to the night, I would be partially blind, unable to see anything beyond 30 cm. When he asked me give up our seats for 2 elderly standing behind me, I got up immediately. However, he should have asked a more appropriate and thoughtful question and giving a more gracious response to the situation. I was utterly disappointed with captain with his lack of sensitivity and understanding, considering the manner he approached me was that he deliberately wanted to pinpoint at me, giving the tone of his voice. I would have zero awareness of the 2 elderly standing behind me after they board the bus since 1- they are out of my sight of view, 2- I can't see a thing at all, 3- I am focused on my friend. I do not expect anything, but just wanted to voice this out in a justifiable manner. Thank you for your precious time reading this. -- Regards, xxxxx
Our Ref : SMRTPR07/TWAFD/1127 Dear xxxxxx Thank you for your response.
Please be assured that we will look into this matter and determine the appropriate action to take against the service leader concerned. In addition, we will stress to the service leader on the importance of customer service and to always take note of the tone and language used when communicating with passengers.
We would like to assure you that SMRT takes a serious view on ensuring that our staff adhere to our service standards at all times. Feedback will be filed for reference in review of his future service with the company. Do be assured that we will monitor the performance of the said service leader closely and ensure that he meets our service standards.
xxxxxx, we sincerely apologize for your experience and thank you for highlighting your feedback to us.
Yours sincerely
xxxxxx (xxx) Senior Officer, Customer Relations Corporate Marketing and Communications SMRT Corporation Ltd
i don't think i see that driver around anymore... lol since i always take the same bus almost everyday.
Here in Seoul things can be pretty lame. I've had people with the nerve to do shushing gestures when I'm talking in English on the phone or to a friend on the subway. I'm pretty loud, but they'd never dare do it to a Korean (and god some Koreans on mobile phones are loud as hell.) and I do try to be vaguely considerate of other people and talk in a lower tone. I also had an older man come up to me once and ask me to speak in Korean when I'm in Korea - I replied in Korean and gave him a filthy look - it's so rude considering no one would tell him to speak English if he went to visit England. (Well I wouldn't anyway.)
Also taxi drivers can be really rude. Luckily recently I've had some lovely ones. Like the one I got after the Epik High gig who was laughing with me about being so tired I forgot where I was going. However, I've had drivers refuse to even acknowledge me when I ask them to go somewhere in Korean (eventhough other drivers have had no problem understanding the exact same words.) I don't shy away from the bullshit and I've learnt some pretty effective swear words through it.
It is balanced out at times by how lovely other people can be though - the OGN crew, some of the gamers and coaches, my English speaking Korean friends (and weirdly enough the staff of the Coldstone Creamery in Star City. They make such an effort to speak english/tolerate my awkward Korean and are really attentive and cheerful. Hence I will go back and buy more stuff - unlike Baskin Robbins where the staff have stood there using their mobile phones instead of taking orders and done the whole 'talk about the foreigner in Korean and lol whilst serving bullshit.')
Sometimes I really do feel like it's a case of 'us versus them.' here. There are a lot of nice things about Seoul, but as a foreigner some people do tend to treat you as a menace/annoyance or sideshow freak. Especially because I don't fit their stereotype of the blonde/blue-eye, skinny Hollywood American 'foreigner.' Sorry Korea - people aren't all the same from foreign countries!
(I don't mind little kids pointing and saying 'Foreigner!' because that's normal behaviour for their age, but when grown adults do it or people shout abuse/sarcastic remarks across the street to me just for walking past then it really paints and purile and close-minded picture of the people residing here.)
I honestly never realised how angry I could get until I came to live here. I'm tolerant of cultural differences to a degree, but when I make the effort not to do anything disruptive (I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't commit crimes and I certainly don't sit down in the seats reserved for elderly/preggers/disabled people on the subway.) and I work hard Monday to Friday to educate Korean kids (as well as working my ass off at the weekends to promote Korean Esports.) being met with indifference or downright rude behaviour simply for speaking English or looking different is so frustrating and disgusting to me. I'd never treat a foreigner who came to England the way some Koreans treat us English teachers.
We're stereotyped not only in our looks, but also there are articles in major newspapers online sites constantly implying in the most literal and transparent way that just because a small number of individual teachers here have been caught taking drugs or commiting other crimes - we are all lazy, money-grubbing criminals who love to hang out in (the grubby and horrible) Itaewon district looking for whores or doing other negative things. They never stop to consider that some of us came here because of a genuine interest in Korean culture (for myself I was into Korean music and cinema for four years before coming here.)
(Haha god, this turned out long and ranty. I think I just needed to get some recent resentment off of my chest.)
Even up til a few years back when I last visited Korea, that was a very, VERY rare sight. I've seen many foreigners going around and they hardly get the treatment that you received.
Guess the society has changed so much...
But I understand the thing on the subway about talking on the phone. In Korea and Japan, it is considered 'rude' to actually talk on your phone in the subway, being distracting and all. That's why you don't see people smashing buttons on their PSP or scribbling nonsense on their DS. But the way they treated you was just... D:
I guess that's why my mom told me not to reveal to people I meet that I am actually living overseas.
On May 09 2009 12:58 konadora wrote: Wow NeverGG, I didn't see that coming.
Even up til a few years back when I last visited Korea, that was a very, VERY rare sight. I've seen many foreigners going around and they hardly get the treatment that you received.
Guess the society has changed so much...
But I understand the thing on the subway about talking on the phone. In Korea and Japan, it is considered 'rude' to actually talk on your phone in the subway, being distracting and all. That's why you don't see people smashing buttons on their PSP or scribbling nonsense on their DS. But the way they treated you was just... D:
I guess that's why my mom told me not to reveal to people I meet that I am actually living overseas.
Actually I see more Koreans on their PSPs/DSs and phones than those reading or sitting there sleeping/resting. It is a completely common sight which is what makes their behaviour towards me and other foreigners so hypocritical.
On May 09 2009 12:58 konadora wrote: Wow NeverGG, I didn't see that coming.
Even up til a few years back when I last visited Korea, that was a very, VERY rare sight. I've seen many foreigners going around and they hardly get the treatment that you received.
Guess the society has changed so much...
But I understand the thing on the subway about talking on the phone. In Korea and Japan, it is considered 'rude' to actually talk on your phone in the subway, being distracting and all. That's why you don't see people smashing buttons on their PSP or scribbling nonsense on their DS. But the way they treated you was just... D:
I guess that's why my mom told me not to reveal to people I meet that I am actually living overseas.
Actually I see more Koreans on their PSPs/DSs and phones than those reading or sitting there sleeping/resting. It is a completely common sight which is what makes their behaviour towards me and other foreigners so hypocritical.
Guess society has really changed a lot in the 3 years I did not go back to Korea...
In Japan you'd probably die though, hardly anyone plays their consoles on subways despite all owning them. Even if they're listening on the mp3 players, they'll keep it down so that the people beside won't be affected.
On May 09 2009 12:58 konadora wrote: Wow NeverGG, I didn't see that coming.
Even up til a few years back when I last visited Korea, that was a very, VERY rare sight. I've seen many foreigners going around and they hardly get the treatment that you received.
Guess the society has changed so much...
But I understand the thing on the subway about talking on the phone. In Korea and Japan, it is considered 'rude' to actually talk on your phone in the subway, being distracting and all. That's why you don't see people smashing buttons on their PSP or scribbling nonsense on their DS. But the way they treated you was just... D:
I guess that's why my mom told me not to reveal to people I meet that I am actually living overseas.
Actually I see more Koreans on their PSPs/DSs and phones than those reading or sitting there sleeping/resting. It is a completely common sight which is what makes their behaviour towards me and other foreigners so hypocritical.
Guess society has really changed a lot in the 3 years I did not go back to Korea...
In Japan you'd probably die though, hardly anyone plays their consoles on subways despite all owning them. Even if they're listening on the mp3 players, they'll keep it down so that the people beside won't be affected.
Yeah I noticed the signs were really specific (and super polite.) about not listening to music which would be audible to others. I didn't see a single person talking on the phone or using a console. (When I was on the Fukuoka subway system.) I liked Japan, but it feels so expensive compared to Korea. I'd definitely be broke constantly because I love to shop!
On May 09 2009 12:58 konadora wrote: Wow NeverGG, I didn't see that coming.
Even up til a few years back when I last visited Korea, that was a very, VERY rare sight. I've seen many foreigners going around and they hardly get the treatment that you received.
Guess the society has changed so much...
But I understand the thing on the subway about talking on the phone. In Korea and Japan, it is considered 'rude' to actually talk on your phone in the subway, being distracting and all. That's why you don't see people smashing buttons on their PSP or scribbling nonsense on their DS. But the way they treated you was just... D:
I guess that's why my mom told me not to reveal to people I meet that I am actually living overseas.
Actually I see more Koreans on their PSPs/DSs and phones than those reading or sitting there sleeping/resting. It is a completely common sight which is what makes their behaviour towards me and other foreigners so hypocritical.
Guess society has really changed a lot in the 3 years I did not go back to Korea...
In Japan you'd probably die though, hardly anyone plays their consoles on subways despite all owning them. Even if they're listening on the mp3 players, they'll keep it down so that the people beside won't be affected.
Yeah I noticed the signs were really specific (and super polite.) about not listening to music which would be audible to others. I didn't see a single person talking on the phone or using a console. (When I was on the Fukuoka subway system.) I liked Japan, but it feels so expensive compared to Korea. I'd definitely be broke constantly because I love to shop!
I spent SGD700 for a day's worth of shopping, and SGD150 on first two days in convenience stores. Singapore Dollar and Japanese Yen exchange rate is sooo rigged.
On May 09 2009 12:58 konadora wrote: Wow NeverGG, I didn't see that coming.
Even up til a few years back when I last visited Korea, that was a very, VERY rare sight. I've seen many foreigners going around and they hardly get the treatment that you received.
Guess the society has changed so much...
But I understand the thing on the subway about talking on the phone. In Korea and Japan, it is considered 'rude' to actually talk on your phone in the subway, being distracting and all. That's why you don't see people smashing buttons on their PSP or scribbling nonsense on their DS. But the way they treated you was just... D:
I guess that's why my mom told me not to reveal to people I meet that I am actually living overseas.
Actually I see more Koreans on their PSPs/DSs and phones than those reading or sitting there sleeping/resting. It is a completely common sight which is what makes their behaviour towards me and other foreigners so hypocritical.
Guess society has really changed a lot in the 3 years I did not go back to Korea...
In Japan you'd probably die though, hardly anyone plays their consoles on subways despite all owning them. Even if they're listening on the mp3 players, they'll keep it down so that the people beside won't be affected.
Yeah I noticed the signs were really specific (and super polite.) about not listening to music which would be audible to others. I didn't see a single person talking on the phone or using a console. (When I was on the Fukuoka subway system.) I liked Japan, but it feels so expensive compared to Korea. I'd definitely be broke constantly because I love to shop!
I spent SGD700 for a day's worth of shopping, and SGD150 on first two days in convenience stores. Singapore Dollar and Japanese Yen exchange rate is sooo rigged.
I spent $700 in two days in one shop. I'm utterly hopeless when it comes to buying things!
What about Eastern Germany? I heard there is still a lot of white nationalism in those parts. An older brother of a friend visited Germany after he graduated and when in parts of Eastern Germany, he said they'd get thrown out of bars for not being white enough? Just a lie or is this true?
On May 09 2009 16:40 rushz0rz wrote: What about Eastern Germany? I heard there is still a lot of white nationalism in those parts. An older brother of a friend visited Germany after he graduated and when in parts of Eastern Germany, he said they'd get thrown out of bars for not being white enough? Just a lie or is this true?
On May 09 2009 12:58 konadora wrote: Wow NeverGG, I didn't see that coming.
Even up til a few years back when I last visited Korea, that was a very, VERY rare sight. I've seen many foreigners going around and they hardly get the treatment that you received.
Guess the society has changed so much...
But I understand the thing on the subway about talking on the phone. In Korea and Japan, it is considered 'rude' to actually talk on your phone in the subway, being distracting and all. That's why you don't see people smashing buttons on their PSP or scribbling nonsense on their DS. But the way they treated you was just... D:
I guess that's why my mom told me not to reveal to people I meet that I am actually living overseas.
Actually I see more Koreans on their PSPs/DSs and phones than those reading or sitting there sleeping/resting. It is a completely common sight which is what makes their behaviour towards me and other foreigners so hypocritical.
Guess society has really changed a lot in the 3 years I did not go back to Korea...
In Japan you'd probably die though, hardly anyone plays their consoles on subways despite all owning them. Even if they're listening on the mp3 players, they'll keep it down so that the people beside won't be affected.
Yeah I noticed the signs were really specific (and super polite.) about not listening to music which would be audible to others. I didn't see a single person talking on the phone or using a console. (When I was on the Fukuoka subway system.) I liked Japan, but it feels so expensive compared to Korea. I'd definitely be broke constantly because I love to shop!
I spent SGD700 for a day's worth of shopping, and SGD150 on first two days in convenience stores. Singapore Dollar and Japanese Yen exchange rate is sooo rigged.
I spent $700 in two days in one shop. I'm utterly hopeless when it comes to buying things!
USD700? Wow that's a lot... what on earth did you buy lol
On May 09 2009 16:40 rushz0rz wrote: What about Eastern Germany? I heard there is still a lot of white nationalism in those parts. An older brother of a friend visited Germany after he graduated and when in parts of Eastern Germany, he said they'd get thrown out of bars for not being white enough? Just a lie or is this true?
On May 09 2009 12:58 konadora wrote: Wow NeverGG, I didn't see that coming.
Even up til a few years back when I last visited Korea, that was a very, VERY rare sight. I've seen many foreigners going around and they hardly get the treatment that you received.
Guess the society has changed so much...
But I understand the thing on the subway about talking on the phone. In Korea and Japan, it is considered 'rude' to actually talk on your phone in the subway, being distracting and all. That's why you don't see people smashing buttons on their PSP or scribbling nonsense on their DS. But the way they treated you was just... D:
I guess that's why my mom told me not to reveal to people I meet that I am actually living overseas.
Actually I see more Koreans on their PSPs/DSs and phones than those reading or sitting there sleeping/resting. It is a completely common sight which is what makes their behaviour towards me and other foreigners so hypocritical.
Guess society has really changed a lot in the 3 years I did not go back to Korea...
In Japan you'd probably die though, hardly anyone plays their consoles on subways despite all owning them. Even if they're listening on the mp3 players, they'll keep it down so that the people beside won't be affected.
Yeah I noticed the signs were really specific (and super polite.) about not listening to music which would be audible to others. I didn't see a single person talking on the phone or using a console. (When I was on the Fukuoka subway system.) I liked Japan, but it feels so expensive compared to Korea. I'd definitely be broke constantly because I love to shop!
I spent SGD700 for a day's worth of shopping, and SGD150 on first two days in convenience stores. Singapore Dollar and Japanese Yen exchange rate is sooo rigged.
I spent $700 in two days in one shop. I'm utterly hopeless when it comes to buying things!
USD700? Wow that's a lot... what on earth did you buy lol
Mainly magazines with a few other things (like books) thrown in. I'm an import magazine/book whore. I love to collect them. I actually went hungry on the second day aside from a crepe whilst waiting outside for the place to open just so I could buy more magazines/art-books.
@NeverGG: Haha yeah some taxi drivers are a bitch. I remember that my mom got yelled at because apparently she wasn't saying the destination clearly enough -_-.
Although I have to admit a lot of Korea has improved within the years. For instance, the transportation system has gradually improved. I remember that bus drivers were generally a lot more hostile towards passengers, as in they would tell them to get on quickly and stuff like that. But now, bus drivers even say "Welcome!" when someone gets on the board and stuff like that. Happened to me a lot o_O.
I am rather surprised though. Do a lot of Koreans really view foreigners in such a negative way? I thought that the speaking English fluently was an amazing ability to have. I sometimes found myself speaking English but didn't recognize such hostility towards me. Maybe that's because I'm Korean.
On May 09 2009 16:40 rushz0rz wrote: What about Eastern Germany? I heard there is still a lot of white nationalism in those parts. An older brother of a friend visited Germany after he graduated and when in parts of Eastern Germany, he said they'd get thrown out of bars for not being white enough? Just a lie or is this true?
Wtf?
On May 09 2009 16:27 NeverGG wrote:
On May 09 2009 16:17 konadora wrote:
On May 09 2009 15:46 NeverGG wrote:
On May 09 2009 14:39 konadora wrote:
On May 09 2009 13:35 NeverGG wrote:
On May 09 2009 12:58 konadora wrote: Wow NeverGG, I didn't see that coming.
Even up til a few years back when I last visited Korea, that was a very, VERY rare sight. I've seen many foreigners going around and they hardly get the treatment that you received.
Guess the society has changed so much...
But I understand the thing on the subway about talking on the phone. In Korea and Japan, it is considered 'rude' to actually talk on your phone in the subway, being distracting and all. That's why you don't see people smashing buttons on their PSP or scribbling nonsense on their DS. But the way they treated you was just... D:
I guess that's why my mom told me not to reveal to people I meet that I am actually living overseas.
Actually I see more Koreans on their PSPs/DSs and phones than those reading or sitting there sleeping/resting. It is a completely common sight which is what makes their behaviour towards me and other foreigners so hypocritical.
Guess society has really changed a lot in the 3 years I did not go back to Korea...
In Japan you'd probably die though, hardly anyone plays their consoles on subways despite all owning them. Even if they're listening on the mp3 players, they'll keep it down so that the people beside won't be affected.
Yeah I noticed the signs were really specific (and super polite.) about not listening to music which would be audible to others. I didn't see a single person talking on the phone or using a console. (When I was on the Fukuoka subway system.) I liked Japan, but it feels so expensive compared to Korea. I'd definitely be broke constantly because I love to shop!
I spent SGD700 for a day's worth of shopping, and SGD150 on first two days in convenience stores. Singapore Dollar and Japanese Yen exchange rate is sooo rigged.
I spent $700 in two days in one shop. I'm utterly hopeless when it comes to buying things!
USD700? Wow that's a lot... what on earth did you buy lol
Mainly magazines with a few other things (like books) thrown in. I'm an import magazine/book whore. I love to collect them. I actually went hungry on the second day aside from a crepe whilst waiting outside for the place to open just so I could buy more magazines/art-books.
On May 09 2009 12:58 konadora wrote: Wow NeverGG, I didn't see that coming.
Even up til a few years back when I last visited Korea, that was a very, VERY rare sight. I've seen many foreigners going around and they hardly get the treatment that you received.
Guess the society has changed so much...
But I understand the thing on the subway about talking on the phone. In Korea and Japan, it is considered 'rude' to actually talk on your phone in the subway, being distracting and all. That's why you don't see people smashing buttons on their PSP or scribbling nonsense on their DS. But the way they treated you was just... D:
I guess that's why my mom told me not to reveal to people I meet that I am actually living overseas.
Actually I see more Koreans on their PSPs/DSs and phones than those reading or sitting there sleeping/resting. It is a completely common sight which is what makes their behaviour towards me and other foreigners so hypocritical.
Guess society has really changed a lot in the 3 years I did not go back to Korea...
In Japan you'd probably die though, hardly anyone plays their consoles on subways despite all owning them. Even if they're listening on the mp3 players, they'll keep it down so that the people beside won't be affected.
Yeah I noticed the signs were really specific (and super polite.) about not listening to music which would be audible to others. I didn't see a single person talking on the phone or using a console. (When I was on the Fukuoka subway system.) I liked Japan, but it feels so expensive compared to Korea. I'd definitely be broke constantly because I love to shop!
I spent SGD700 for a day's worth of shopping, and SGD150 on first two days in convenience stores. Singapore Dollar and Japanese Yen exchange rate is sooo rigged.
I spent $700 in two days in one shop. I'm utterly hopeless when it comes to buying things!
I spent $AUD4000 in a month in japan (including hotels) :/
On May 09 2009 12:50 NeverGG wrote: I also had an older man come up to me once and ask me to speak in Korean when I'm in Korea - I replied in Korean and gave him a filthy look - it's so rude considering no one would tell him to speak English if he went to visit England. (Well I wouldn't anyway.)
I've been told to speak English since it's America, despite the fact that I was born in America and can speak perfect English. =/
Man I have to agree with you on this, pisses me off sometimes. Wonder what the companies can do to solve this problem. Hmm, other than that I think the bus services are fine though
On May 10 2009 04:28 Dante08 wrote: Man I have to agree with you on this, pisses me off sometimes. Wonder what the companies can do to solve this problem. Hmm, other than that I think the bus services are fine though
Rather than pushing the responsibility to the companies and the government, the people themselves need to learn by themselves what they must do, or rather - what they SHOULD do instead of being taughty every single time.
On May 10 2009 04:33 Ilikestarcraft wrote: buy me a kangaroo konadora
Kangaroo meat tastes like bloody(taste of iron) beef, even when well done. It's also pretty tough, you really have to marinate it overnight to have it taste good as a decent steak. I tried stir-frying it, but it didn't turn out too well.
In response to the OP, i used to live in Toronto Canada, and the bus drivers are usually mindful of the passengers, they'll stop the bus and tell the passengers to make room for the people waiting outside. I used to have to take the bus everyday to school too and this was never a problem. Canadians are usually conscious of the fact that they should be moving back.
The actual problem being that the buses would be late for like 40mins and then suddenly 4-5 buses appear together in a row, it's like they decided to wait up for each other and travel in a pack.
I just moved to Melbourne, AU recently, and so far, the buses haven't been full enough for this to be a problem.
The actual problem being that the buses would be late for like 40mins and then suddenly 4-5 buses appear together in a row, it's like they decided to wait up for each other and travel in a pack.
Lol.
Ah, such well-mannered and unified civic-mindedness T__T
Epic bump. (though seriously, I don't think the topic of annoying people on buses ever gets old for me. Campus towns = bunch of clueless people that don't know how buses work :/)
I have lots of gripes with the bus systems in long beach and in orange county here, but people are pretty courteous about moving their bags and crap off empty seats and squishing close together in a standing room bus. Ofc I ride a bus that goes right through the college (so it's mostly kids)
When I was in Malaysia it happened to me once, they just seemed to ignore the driver's words so I had to be like "Hey you" (towards this guy who didn't seem to move). He was like looking around and be like "huh me?". "yea you what the fucking you looking at? move the fuck back" ... then he gave me the :O face then moved back a little bit. When i reached my stop the driver was like "i shouldn't say this but thank you" so im like 'lol"
Happens here in NYC buses, people refuse to go to the back... Whens theres a literally nobody standing in the back, they just take up the front or the middle. Sometimes the driver would say that they would not move till riders start moving to the back, even with this nobody will move. Expect for the passengers getting on that have to push and shove their way to the back(I have to do it all the time during rush hour, luckily Senior year, I got out early)
But its been a 2 years since Ive taken the rush hour bus, that was in high school.
Now its the subway, its the total opposite sometimes, to the point where I have to wait for the next one(Its THAT packed, all 8 train cars). Occasionally theres always people that refuse to move in and just STAND directly in the doors.
edit: Ive wondered sometimes why? Theres a exit in the back and you dont have to go through riders getting on, is it that difficult to walk a few extra steps? Or is it because of a phobia?
Yes sadly it would require a population transplant to change the situation in Singapore.
As for disregard, because these lamers are afraid to spend 5 more sec squeezing out of the bus during exit and rather prefer bus driver shouting "Move to the back motherfuckers" for 5 mins.
Haha, I used to live in singapore when I was younger, and still visit because my Dad still works there. Luckily, I have not experienced what you have in Singapore. From what I've heard from my sister, in schools, teacher give much better treatment to singapore citizens rather than foreigners ( chinese citizens etc..), dunno if this is actually true or not =P. Anyways despite some of the arrogant people, Singapore is a great great great and beautiful place in my opinion ( maybe cus I havent stayed for a prolonged period of time =P ), and im excited to visit singapore again this summer ^^.
The part about favoritism isn't true (anymore or never was, I don't know). I guess it's because of the huge influx of foreign scholars in Singapore. Almost all schools have foreigners attending them, and I'm one of them :p
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