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I'm really pissed right now, some people are abusing race pick, in a way that i see one race as their pick, and they end up with another race. NO, they do not change it in the last seconds, i'm always aware of that since it happened to me for the first time. A player from Bulgaria named go6kazovar, who is bm otherwise too, did this to me twice already. I said, ok it's one person, i will keep my eyes open when i happen to face him again.
And now it happened again!! A guy, named Jerusalem, picked terran, and ended up Zerg. I hope i dont have to explain how large advantage does this mean in ZvZ (your opponent thinking that you are T), luckily this guy was a terrible player, could not take full advantage of it, i gone lingspeed than drones off gas, go massling, than go sporecolonies on 2bases and somehow managed to overcome the disadvantage, and win with mutas, but only because he was terrible.
If any1 is intrested here it is:
http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=11333&name=Geo.rion vs Jerusalem.rep
When i told the guy "you were T" he only laughed and wrote ^^, being proud his "trick" worked.
What the hell should i do against this? Iccup does not have rules abut this, and i cant really prove it, the best thing i can say is that "conversation". What should i do? Should i use that print-screen whatever to make a photo of the races 1 sec befor the games start every time or what?
Anyone else who had similar trouble? What have you done? I'm so pissed about this abusing-trick right now, even that i did not lose.
PS: On a sidenote, why is that if my internet happens to brake down on the middle of the game where i have absolutely no disadantage i automaticly recieve a loss and minus points, and when s1 is bm and stuff like that, delays the game til he has 2 pylons left than disconnects doesn't get anything, i have to complain, than he will hopefully lose those saved points, but nothing more....
 
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Well just make sure it doesn't happen again, and you can also blacklist him. I don't think its such a big deal, although I also dislike people who change race at the last moment.
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Yeah, some gh-mercer kid did that to me this season (has happened in previous seasons, too), and then bm'd me... Even if you can literally prove that the guy did this trick to you, iccup doesn't do anything (in my experiences at least). It's ridiculous that people are allowed to do this, but for now, you just have to be happy that it isn't rampant.
It sucks, I know.
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It's not that they are just changing their race at the last second -- which is annoying, but if you are paying attention, you will see it -- it's that somehow they are changing races and YOU CAN"T SEE IT. That's an auto loss if the opponent isn't horrible.
I have had this happen a few times, and every time, they end up as toss and they proxy gates in the middle of the map. It's bs.
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This happened to me once... usually they just switch races in the last moment, it's just as annoying as you aren't really paying attention every time but w/e.
But on one ocasion I actually think that I saw he is Zerg until the very last second, and while my second Barracks was building in game I was scouted by a SCV -___-
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i don't know if this ever made it so, but years ago say you picked zerg, if you go to choose your race again but leave the cursor above the box, then it will select terran just before game start, but you are still zerg. Don't know if that ever worked though
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It'd be great if someone could hack SC to make it impossible to change once countdown begins.
Or simply reduce the time window where you can change the race.
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On April 24 2009 20:29 ToT)OjKa( wrote:
i don't know if this ever made it so, but years ago say you picked zerg, if you go to choose your race again but leave the cursor above the box, then it will select terran just before game start, but you are still zerg. Don't know if that ever worked though
i think it still works unless they fixed it in a patch or something
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lol, i lost once a tvz where my opponent thought i was z to speedlings -> 1 hatch lurkers. Vult into fast dropship didnt work too well.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
Don't you have a minute or two to disconnect without points loss?
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The 100% solution to victory here is to go random every game.
Who cares if they do whatever they don't know what you're getting either.
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yeah its still working, an ally of mine does it sometimes
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On April 24 2009 21:49 pachi wrote:
Don't you have a minute or two to disconnect without points loss?
I think the 2 minute timer has gone around when your barrack is half built (starting it at 11) and at that point it's not sure that you have scouted your opponent.
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That happens to me when I join games. That's why I host my own games now and I specifically make a game name that says Pvp or Tvp. Try that, most people who see that join the game with the race you have chosen for them.
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On April 24 2009 22:32 ilistis wrote:
That happens to me when I join games. That's why I host my own games now and I specifically make a game name that says Pvp or Tvp. Try that, most people who see that join the game with the race you have chosen for them.
Sad thing is i have to join games, becuase for some reason ppl cannot join my hosting 
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This only happened to me once. I once made a game name "1v1 D PvZ, you Z." The guy who joined chose Z as his race and picked T at the last second without me knowing. The map was python and we were on 9 and 12 oclock bases. I forgot to send a probe out to the nat for an FE so I opened 1 gate tech with an early scout. I saw that he was a T and that he didn't wall off so I took his gas, manner pylon'd a couple scvs and sent in a zealot (the generic gay PvT stuff). After he killed the zealot after a while, I teched to DTs and killed him with those (I am a D level Protoss player so don't crucify me for this). He told me he is actually a P player and that he was going easy on me and left without a gg.
So yeah, basically, asking for certain race opponents doesn't work apparently...
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On April 24 2009 22:32 ilistis wrote:
That happens to me when I join games. That's why I host my own games now and I specifically make a game name that says Pvp or Tvp. Try that, most people who see that join the game with the race you have chosen for them.
I don't understand that logic at all. Someone who is looking to abuse by changing races is not going to be deterred by a game requesting "x" race. The times I have had this happen to me, are actually the times I have asked for a specific race. A lot of people join the game without even reading it fully, then read it, and instead of leaving -- they try picking their race (not what you asked for) at the last second.
When you make a normal game, people expect you will be paying more attention to their race. When you ask for a specific race, people think they can trick you easier. Which they can, till you catch on.
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didnt see it here so i thought i'd post it:
According to
Pocket Gamer, who cite a developer working on the hardware, an all-new PlayStation Portable will be out and on store shelves before Christmas.
Yup. Two thumbsticks. Finally.
-kotaku
Tue Apr 7 2009
http://kotaku.com/5201591/new-psp-due-before-christmas
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On April 24 2009 23:09 TimeShifter wrote:didnt see it here so i thought i'd post it: According to Pocket Gamer, who cite a developer working on the hardware, an all-new PlayStation Portable will be out and on store shelves before Christmas. Yup. Two thumbsticks. Finally. -kotaku Tue Apr 7 2009 http://kotaku.com/5201591/new-psp-due-before-christmas
Wut. Advertising fail?
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Russian Federation386 Posts
Yea this sucks. I'm always starring at their race during the countdown, but sometimes they end up being the other race in game >(
The solution to this is early scout. With all this cheese in ICCUP its a good idea to scout early anyway.
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On April 24 2009 23:09 TimeShifter wrote:didnt see it here so i thought i'd post it: According to Pocket Gamer, who cite a developer working on the hardware, an all-new PlayStation Portable will be out and on store shelves before Christmas. Yup. Two thumbsticks. Finally. -kotaku Tue Apr 7 2009 http://kotaku.com/5201591/new-psp-due-before-christmas
LOL WIN
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Maybe he meant to post that here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91989
And yeah, the last second race picking is BS. Would it be remotely possible for Blizz to release a patch that'll lock races during the countdown? I know it's not likely, but one can always dream. Hopefully this last second race picking won't be possible in SC2.
Doesn't WC3 tell you which races were picked during the loading screen? That's one of the... like... two things WC3 has over SC
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On April 24 2009 23:09 TimeShifter wrote:didnt see it here so i thought i'd post it: According to Pocket Gamer, who cite a developer working on the hardware, an all-new PlayStation Portable will be out and on store shelves before Christmas. Yup. Two thumbsticks. Finally. -kotaku Tue Apr 7 2009 http://kotaku.com/5201591/new-psp-due-before-christmas
Woah nice job sticking on topic XD.
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On April 24 2009 23:17 eX-Corgh wrote:
Yea this sucks. I'm always starring at their race during the countdown, but sometimes they end up being the other race in game >(
The solution to this is early scout. With all this cheese in ICCUP its a good idea to scout early anyway.
Same here, always staring opponents race incase switching. Annoying thing is that race can be different because bug. Especially ZvT and opponent picks Z. Hello 4 pool etc, when I 12 hatch.
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LOL this happened to me too. The same guy too..Jerusalem!
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lol i actually like racing picking. i play protoss and zerg is my strongest mu 
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Can't this problem be solved with maps that print the two players' races at the start of the game?
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On April 24 2009 21:50 Caller wrote:
The 100% solution to victory here is to go random every game.
Who cares if they do whatever they don't know what you're getting either.
Have fun getting banned every game by babies who don't want to play against random. I had to start trying to main a race it's so bad, but the problem is the game completely changes even in the same matchups... Most people don't know what builds to do vs random, so I was able to get away with not knowing any real builds either... Now I just get owned by anyone who knows a build
PS: Could we not quote the spam bot 100 times?
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this happened to me occasianally in team-games, but sucked the other way around:
host just happened to think 'k lets go without informing anyone' i was afk came back as i saw countdown going down (was random still), tried to pick zerg, it showed zerg, i am like 'whew, close one', but instead i ened up being protoss or terran (cant tell about the incidents when i got zerg cause that obviously wouldnt have upset me since i CHOSE zerg in the first place) WTF
guess its a bug in the bnet client/scbw engine that these kids are abusing with some 3rd-party software, that lets you determine what you appear to be and what you get in fact
on a sidenote: in metal's 2on2 reppack there is a conversation with metal's ally where his ally says there is some chinese program out there that utilizes exactly this function, dont know whether he was joking or not though...
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I'm pretty sure this is physically impossible to pull off if the other person is closely watching your race during the countdown. Sometimes during the countdown they will switch races at the almost last second, so I'll try and switch too, so I see my race as Zerg in the last second or so of the pregame lobby but when the game starts I'll be terran, I assume they can't see this change because it's happened a lot and no one has ever said anything.
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Jello, it's a bug. You literally won't see the change, even if you're careful like me and stare at your opponent's race every game.
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soju did this to me. Thought i was playing zvz. I oppened 12 gas 11 pool against terran. Was not fun.
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On April 24 2009 23:09 TimeShifter wrote:didnt see it here so i thought i'd post it: According to Pocket Gamer, who cite a developer working on the hardware, an all-new PlayStation Portable will be out and on store shelves before Christmas. Yup. Two thumbsticks. Finally. -kotaku Tue Apr 7 2009 http://kotaku.com/5201591/new-psp-due-before-christmas
Before christmas? No way in hell. They just released the 3000 a while ago, the economy is bad, and PSP sales aren't amazing. The price will also be around $250+, because that's where the PSP started and it had a lot less features.
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On April 25 2009 01:11 Chef wrote:
Jello, it's a bug. You literally won't see the change, even if you're careful like me and stare at your opponent's race every game.
That's strange, people try this on me all the time so I always look at their races till the last possible second and never once has the person been anything other than the race they had at the very end of the pregame lobby, I thought that bug only worked in that if you change your race at the last possible second, you see a change but the other player doesn't and that change in race doesn't take effect when the game starts.
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On April 24 2009 23:28 Purind wrote:Maybe he meant to post that here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91989And yeah, the last second race picking is BS. Would it be remotely possible for Blizz to release a patch that'll lock races during the countdown? I know it's not likely, but one can always dream. Hopefully this last second race picking won't be possible in SC2. Doesn't WC3 tell you which races were picked during the loading screen? That's one of the... like... two things WC3 has over SC
WarCraft 3 also has a matchmaking system.
Does anyone know if StarCraft 2 will have matchmaking for FFA?
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Tested it a few times vs comp and I can pick T or P (and possibly random) and it looks like I'm Z on the countdown. Did the ToT)OjKa( thingy.
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On April 24 2009 22:36 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2009 22:32 ilistis wrote:
That happens to me when I join games. That's why I host my own games now and I specifically make a game name that says Pvp or Tvp. Try that, most people who see that join the game with the race you have chosen for them. Sad thing is i have to join games, becuase for some reason ppl cannot join my hosting
turn off your firewall?
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Yep this is a pretty old bug. Like people have said before, just have the racepick window open when the game starts and I BELIEVE you wind up being random regardless of the race you had selected. It doesn't need anything like 3rd party software however.
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On April 25 2009 03:51 Qatol wrote:
Yep this is a pretty old bug. Like people have said before, just have the racepick window open when the game starts and I BELIEVE you wind up being random regardless of the race you had selected. It doesn't need anything like 3rd party software however.
Is this so? I remember playing a guy who I was SURE picked Zerg but ended up being Terran.
I 2 Gated him anyway and kicked his ass rofl
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i always say "race?" in lobby, wait for them to pick, and if they change during the countdown i leave.
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I did this unintentionally once, and the guy I played commented on it, and I said I could re-host the game, but he was cool about it.
Sucks though, you're entire build order is fucked when it happens, I guess the only way around it is earlier scouting.
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The best I can say is if you don't trust the guy, or you just have a bad feeling, scout abnormally early. For example, 7 drone, after pylon, after depot. It should work well enough most of the time.
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On April 25 2009 07:53 Archaic wrote:
The best I can say is if you don't trust the guy, or you just have a bad feeling, scout abnormally early. For example, 7 drone, after pylon, after depot. It should work well enough most of the time.
Sorry but that's hilarious.^^
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I fucking hate it when that happens. It's happened to me unexpectedly as well...I'd forget to choose my race in some bnet pub and rush to pick one as the countdown was going down, and then I'd end up as a different race than I'd picked.
It's never happened to me on iccup, though...that must suck ass. :X
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There are many people that try to change race at the last moment, so you sometimes can't see it changing because the game just doesn't tell you. I don't know how many realize they are trying to abuse a bug, but some are.
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This is one of the millions reasons why i dont play bw anymore .
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