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So. I live in the dorms at my school (have to up until junior year.) And there are some kids on my floor that play Starcraft. But only vanilla SC because BW is imba 9acording to them). lol So today they let me join up in their fastest games. Now i have played exactly 1 game of "low money" with them. I can never get them to play again because its so boring. And slow they say. I can raise a child before this game is over ext ext ext.....
So today they are come up to me and ask me to join a fastest FFA with them. So i join up and holy shit i want to shoot myself.
The game is retarded. Everyone is protoss, and i am the only zerg. Well as you probably guess because this is an FFA- everyone tries to make 154145 photon cannons ext. Basically we are talking about 60 apm noobs here.
So I end up losing the game, and really i could care less. I mean when 2 protoss players come at me, what are you going to do? I don't have lurkers, no ultralisk upgrades, and basically because of the small chokes i get stormed to death, and then choned to death. It was great.
So after the game, we all end up gathering in this kids room. I am sitting there saying gg, and trying to explain to them why we should be playing low money, why 'fast money' is really imba (because protoss are gods) and this 60apm noob starts mouthing off to me.
I quote: Ben you are a fucking retard. You don't know anything about starcraft. You play the slow way, I play the fast way. The fast way is better, no race is better than the other, and a 200supply protoss army is worse than a 200zerg army.
Basically i end up getting kicked out of their room. All because i am arguing 2 points.
1. Protoss are best at fastest.
2. I know more about starcraft than you.
They were basically trying to convince me that zerg beats protoss because zerg can 'pump units out faster' I gave them the your an idiot look, and proceeded to argue my point. I told them that it is pointless, because with infinate money, protoss can have a ton of gates up- and really the whole 'pumping units' argument is completely null and void.
Things spiraled quickly downhill from there. It just seems like you cannot have any type of logical conversation with these kids. their way is 'superior' and you are just a scrubby 'slow money' player to them. Nothing you can say or do is going to change that. So basically i now have 4 angry stuck up nerds snickering behind my back every time i walk by.
I really am getting upset about this because, i could physically murder any of those kids with out a second thought. (I doubt that any of them have ever seen a free weight in their life.)
Really? I couldn't believe that these noobs somehow think that they are almighty starcraft gods. I have officially gotten tired of this shit! How can you possibly think that starcraft should be played fastest style? WTF? And somehow think, that a kid who spends hours and hours playing SC perfecting timings,apm, BO's understands the game less than you? wtf? I couldn't stand these kids. They were logic retards, and really it seemed like nothing i could say god past their fucking long hair, pimply face skulls.
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So, basically, Fastest players feel the same way about us that we do about them?
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At least you know people who play sc. T.T All my wow friends laugh at me when I mention sc. 
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On April 17 2009 13:30 Zozma wrote:
So, basically, Fastest players feel the same way about us that we do about them?
No. What Sc has a multi million dollar turny scene around the world? wait............Is that the scrub fest 'low money.?'
FASTEST = NOOBS
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Ignorance is bliss.
Deal with it, they don't want to change their mind. You obviously know you are right and that's why you are on TL in the first place. Let noobs be noobs.
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sounds like you suck at fastest. Maybe u should practice fastest for 1 day then come own them all, maybe that will get your point across as to how much more superior low players are.
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just beat them and they'll shut up
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On April 17 2009 13:34 LeoTheLion wrote:
just beat them and they'll shut up
I raepd them in 'low scrub money'
None of them will play me 1v1 fastest-
T
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United States889 Posts
They seriously don't believe that Protoss is imba in fastest...yet they all play Protoss? From my experience back when I played fastest like two years ago, about half the players in pubbies play toss. Half.
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why would you ever argue with people about sc to the point of getting kicked out of their room?
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I feel sorry for you. The only other SC players i know are mature, and they are not this stupid. Well, hey, if push comes to shove, just beat them up! ^^
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doesn't help that toss have units that easily kill the stacked workers :3
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
oh man what college nerds.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
How could a low money player lose in fastest? If they are really 60apm noobs, you should have no problem owning them in fastest.
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On April 17 2009 13:43 paper wrote:
doesn't help that toss have units that easily kill the stacked workers :3
All races do(only Terran and Protoss in expansion though).
Protoss: Storm, Reavers.
Terran: Firebats, Siege Tanks, Nukes, and splash damage from mines(if a unit triggers the mine).
All you really have to do is put like 4-6 turrets/cannons/spores on both sides of your base then just macro and abuse ranged units for cannons and kills their workers if they are too stupid to protect them properly.
But he does play Zerg and there aren't lurkers so I either recommend fast guardian tech or just play Terran.
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I had the same argument when I was about 15 (2000) with a few kids in my freshman class.
I took 3 v 1 on bgh, 3 protoss vs 1. The game lasted 1 hour and 30 minutes before they got the point. I was able to hold them off indefinately with arbitors/templar/mindcontrol/cannons/reavers/scouts.
It would have been better to prove your point with superior skill in their arena then bash it.
That is how I converted all the 'low money' haters.
there was a time I refused to play bw because I thought lurkers/dt/sairs and all of them were terribly imbalanced. Evolution in starcraft thinking takes time.
Ask skew[media] how long it took me to drag him from ladder challenges to bw.
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^ I agree with T.O.P. If they were bad and were massing cannons you could have simply rushed to hive and massed ultralingdefiler. I think you should practice some fastest just so you can beat them.
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What you should of done was not choose zerg knowing that it is weak on fastest and beat them using another race and then rub it in. Losing after you tell them fastest is for newbs just screwed over you're credibility.
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People like them will never be convinced by anything but results. Learn how to actually play Fastest and beat them. If they think Protoss isn't overpowered in FMP then ask them to play against you 1v1 with any race besides P while you use P yourself. If they think Low Money is for noobs then you need to beat them at both Fastest and Low Money to prove your point.
If you're getting owned by them in Fastest of course they won't respect anything you say, you just come off as having a big mouth with nothing to back it up.
I do this kind of thing regularly. Any time someone tells me a race, character, weapon, whatever is overpowered and I believe it isn't I tell them to use it against me and I'll beat them. Did this tons at Soul Calibur 2 tournaments. Let them pick whatever character they want me to use and let them use my character, then rape them anyway.
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On April 17 2009 13:33 Misrah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 13:30 Zozma wrote:
So, basically, Fastest players feel the same way about us that we do about them? No. What Sc has a multi million dollar turny scene around the world? wait............Is that the scrub fest 'low money.?' FASTEST = NOOBS Key word = feel.
There was that one Stork VOD of playing fastest 2v2. He and his partner just kinda screwed around all game and won in the end anyway, even though Stork lost his main nexus.
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why not show them and FPVOD of a progamer? Maybe then they'll understand it better *from the being fast point of view*
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one time, i 1v1'd a "good" fmp player and bunker rushed his nexus! then he said, "oh wait, you're a low money player...you guys rush." lol.
but back on point...i do believe zerg does become "better" at a certain point of the game. Once zerg has 10-20 hatches, he can just select the larva and spawn much quicker than a toss with 20-40 gates (hotkeying and manually selecting gates). And then attack move. It happened to me a few times.
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Tell them to read this thread and they will realize how fucking utterly nooby they are.
Honestly though, if they are complete assholes like that, I wouldn't associate w/them or just try to not to hang out with them. No point in associating with idiots -.-
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Zergs can die on fastest? What? Dark swarm + 20 lurkers on choke + 30 hatchery pump = ???????
On a serious note, I say you challenge them to a handicap match of 1v3 where they are zergs and you are protoss. If you know what you are doing and they are as bad as you claim they are, you should be able to pulverize them easily. They should be complaining "wtf templar drop imba protoss is rigged" after u beat the shit out of them.
Ya just explain how templar drops are rigged and they will understand.
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That is the thing- It was an FFA. I didn't lose to them per say. I was just screwing around and well ya.
About getting kicked out of their room- they were the ones that went nuts on me. NOt the other way around.
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Fuck. I would have taken you more seriously and read the rest of the OP if you had used ETC. instead of that crap 'ext'
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Also it was SC vanilla. SCBW is 'imba' as far as fastest goes, i should 1v1 them. That would be good. I could easily raep them easily.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On April 17 2009 14:20 Cloud wrote:
Fuck. I would have taken you more seriously and read the rest of the OP if you had used ETC. instead of that crap 'ext'
lol for sure. it's ETC man
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Don't even talk to them. I'm sure ur not super geeky like them. EZ way to kill uber geeks = go to parties and totally forget about them.
Plus, talking to them is like talking to some damn freshman...pointless, hopeless, and very painful.
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well at least the fastest noobs i know irl acknowledge that low money is more skilled than fastest.
the main difference is that we can beat them at their game but they have no chance against us.
after learning a few concepts in fastest i beat my friend easily on fastest
then i played 3 games on low money and i gave him vision of me and he still lost all 3 games :/
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lol what the fuck that's so stupid...
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On April 17 2009 14:45 coolcrimefighter wrote:
well at least the fastest noobs i know irl acknowledge that low money is more skilled than fastest.
the main difference is that we can beat them at their game but they have no chance against us.
after learning a few concepts in fastest i beat my friend easily on fastest
then i played 3 games on low money and i gave him vision of me and he still lost all 3 games :/
Actually top 1:1 bgh and fastest players will rock C+/B- low money players.
This debate has already been had. There are some guys that are really really good at fastest and bgh.
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On April 17 2009 14:54 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 14:45 coolcrimefighter wrote:
well at least the fastest noobs i know irl acknowledge that low money is more skilled than fastest.
the main difference is that we can beat them at their game but they have no chance against us.
after learning a few concepts in fastest i beat my friend easily on fastest
then i played 3 games on low money and i gave him vision of me and he still lost all 3 games :/ Actually top 1:1 bgh and fastest players will rock C+/B- low money players. This debate has already been had. There are some guys that are really really good at fastest and bgh.
That may be true but these fastest players aren't nearly good, even for fastest.
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I have been arguing with a retard friend of mine. Basically is argument is that he wants to be able to change starcraft shortcuts and he doesn't even know half of them. He thinks that it will bring more potential to the game and doesn't listen to common sense
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On April 17 2009 14:54 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 14:45 coolcrimefighter wrote:
well at least the fastest noobs i know irl acknowledge that low money is more skilled than fastest.
the main difference is that we can beat them at their game but they have no chance against us.
after learning a few concepts in fastest i beat my friend easily on fastest
then i played 3 games on low money and i gave him vision of me and he still lost all 3 games :/ Actually top 1:1 bgh and fastest players will rock C+/B- low money players. This debate has already been had. There are some guys that are really really good at fastest and bgh.
in addendum to that, it's definitely possible to be a savage fastest player with 60 apm.
There are fastest players I will never lose to on any map, and then there are fastest players I will never ever beat on fastest. it depends on what your friends are capable of. if you could actually beat them on fastest they might be more inclined to listen to you 
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On April 17 2009 13:40 Arrian wrote:
They seriously don't believe that Protoss is imba in fastest...yet they all play Protoss? From my experience back when I played fastest like two years ago, about half the players in pubbies play toss. Half.
uhh.. i'm guessing you haven't played low money (edit: on b.net) in the past year or two.. its about the same ratio of protoss users to other races.
The fact that low level players are all protoss doesnt really mean anything. Who knows, maybe if fastest evolved to high level gameplay, any of the races could dominate.. no way to tell since it hasnt happened
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I'd say the cure that worked most for me was introducing them to pro games. 2/3 of the people I know converted to low money before releasing how hard it was before quitting melee games for ums
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You can't argue with some people.
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you cant argue with fastest players man its retarded, i mean the only thing you could do to get them would be call them scrubs or chobos or noobs or whatever word they use back at them to piss them off until they 1v1 you and show them how bad they actually are
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I play fastests when I get so frustrated at iccup for my 189359134th loss in a row that I want to punch a puppy (BW tho...not vanilla). Toss is only terribly strong in the early game...in late game, zerg is stronger, I think.
But in all seriousness...standard melee/low money is a LOT better...requires a LOT more skill...requires a LOT more thinking...stronger mechanics...just...everything.
You don't even need to micro in fastest...you just mass up and attack move your entire 200/200 army into the enemy base...then just keep macro'ing more and more until you wear them down and win. That's 90% of fastest games...and honestly, the best fastest players are melee/iccup players dicking around on bnet for fun.
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This reminds me when I played some of my friends who wanted to have some fastest games.
I abused the hell out of darkswarm and they were like "wtf, why aren't my carriers/battlecruisers/etc. killing your stuff?".
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Honestly it sounds like you were in the wrong here.
You agreed to play a game of fastest with a bunch of guys. You lost. Then you started complaining about how their race is overpowered and that you know more than they do, and given different circumstances you would have won.
And you argued to the point where you got kicked out of their room, and will have them snickering behind your back?
To them, your just a sore loser.
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what is the point of arguing with kids? you want them to think your way? leave them be and find real sc players in servers like iccup.
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I never thought that real life b.net drama could manifest itself into nerd gangs that snicker at you behind your back and make fun of you in real life
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On April 17 2009 17:06 Fen wrote:
Honestly it sounds like you were in the wrong here.
You agreed to play a game of fastest with a bunch of guys. You lost. Then you started complaining about how their race is overpowered and that you know more than they do, and given different circumstances you would have won.
And you argued to the point where you got kicked out of their room, and will have them snickering behind your back?
To them, your just a sore loser.
Agreed. Also, I cringed everytime I read "ext" instead of "etc"
Losing to players and then calling them a bunch of noobs NEVER WORKS!! "He did some retarded shit and won"
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z aint weak, just mass hatch and keep scouting..
i used 2 play fastest religiously, and z was my race.. i didnt experience any of this 'imba' u speak of.. also FFA is for tards.
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On April 17 2009 14:51 prOxi.swAMi wrote:lol what the fuck that's so stupid...
Not really, the APM is probably just recorded and it's super easy to put up a table of it using some automated thing. I think it would be cool to see it for ICCUP maybe, see what the highest APM user is on the entire server (500? 600?).
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i play fastest excessively and seriously, i fucking hate how everyone does pick protoss and MAKES 435636985985 CANNONS. holyyyyy shit. its so fucking annoying. with zerg you just make like fucking 3 dozen mutas and hit their main, depending on how many cannons the noob has. but god damn, vanilla + fastest?! KILL THEM NOW.
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I know how you feel= I have a friend who whenever we do some ffa for fun (they are all noobs) he does nothing all game but excessively defends with cannons, then eventually loses even with his bazillion carriers. Now what bothers me is when afterward he talks about how amazing he is late game but he sucks early game.
I have learned that be a d bag... i just let him think what he wants. So my advice to you would be to simply challenge them to a more competitive style game... if they refuse then so be it. Now if they offer to play a fast money game then adapt to that style of game. Anybody who says zerg is as good in fast money is fooling themselves. But with fast money at least you can get some practice multi-tasking and macroing well ? FFA games are really luck imo... Everybody always rushes me because they know Im the best player. Yes I get mad.... no I shouldn't - because it is the best strategy for them.
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oh and people actually fucking ask me to 1v1 fastest. i barely even 2v2 on fastest why would i 1v1 there? and i actually told them to play python or something and guess what?
python:
boring
overused
too little minerals
too slow
cliffs are imbalanced
etc etc.
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iccup hunters? :D nah but seriously if you can get a 1v1 I think you should do a really creative cheese. To me... the reason I hate fast mineral games are because THEY are too slow. People end up turtling and yea protoss are overpowered.
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oh i used to play vgt
there's a fairly competitive league in fastest
it just uses a different skill set then low money; there's not really any point in arguing which one is better
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On April 17 2009 17:33 EscPlan9 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 17:06 Fen wrote:
Honestly it sounds like you were in the wrong here.
You agreed to play a game of fastest with a bunch of guys. You lost. Then you started complaining about how their race is overpowered and that you know more than they do, and given different circumstances you would have won.
And you argued to the point where you got kicked out of their room, and will have them snickering behind your back?
To them, your just a sore loser.
Agreed. Also, I cringed everytime I read "ext" instead of "etc" Losing to players and then calling them a bunch of noobs NEVER WORKS!! "He did some retarded shit and won"
yeah you have to beat them at their own game before you trash talk =]
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As someone has already said, show them the real progaming scene. Tell them it's almost like a sport and that it's huge in Korea. Show them some FPVODS so they get the idea of what "fast" means, and finally tell them that probably none of those professional players have played in a fastest map in years.
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the funny thing about the fastest players calling regular maps "slow" is that if you were to put the majority of them in a 2-3 base game on a normal map they have an almost impossible time simply keeping up with resources much less countering any harass or aggressive army movements on the map
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On April 17 2009 17:43 Raithed wrote:
oh and people actually fucking ask me to 1v1 fastest. i barely even 2v2 on fastest why would i 1v1 there? and i actually told them to play python or something and guess what?
python:
boring
overused
too little minerals
too slow
cliffs are imbalanced
etc etc.
I really fail to see your point. They like fastest, and they don't like aspects of low money. If you played fastest only, I'm sure you wouldn't like waiting to make a pylon at 8 and a gate at 10 rather than at like 6 and 9 or whatever the fuck it is on FPM.
Let noobs have their fun. It's a game. Also, why the fuck would you find it surprising to get people asking you to 1v1 on FPM if by your own admission you play FPM "excessively?" Did you use the wrong word?
On April 17 2009 18:59 Manbear wrote:
the funny thing about the fastest players calling regular maps "slow" is that if you were to put the majority of them in a 2-3 base game on a normal map they have an almost impossible time simply keeping up with resources much less countering any harass or aggressive army movements on the map
Well I can tell from your previous post about how "FPM players are retarded" you are probably one of those fools who has this elite superiority complex regarding the fact that you don't play money maps, but what you've posted here is really stupid and shows your complete misunderstanding of what makes low money and FPM different. The situation you've just listed is almost no different from FPM. It's just macroing. It's getting to the point of having 2-3 bases that's the difficult part, not being plopped into a game with 3 mining bases and 8 gateways already.
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On April 17 2009 19:01 NoobsOfWrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 17:43 Raithed wrote:
oh and people actually fucking ask me to 1v1 fastest. i barely even 2v2 on fastest why would i 1v1 there? and i actually told them to play python or something and guess what?
python:
boring
overused
too little minerals
too slow
cliffs are imbalanced
etc etc. I really fail to see your point. They like fastest, and they don't like aspects of low money. If you played fastest only, I'm sure you wouldn't like waiting to make a pylon at 8 and a gate at 10 rather than at like 6 and 9 or whatever the fuck it is on FPM. Let noobs have their fun. It's a game. Also, why the fuck would you find it surprising to get people asking you to 1v1 on FPM if by your own admission you play FPM "excessively?" Did you use the wrong word? Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 18:59 Manbear wrote:
the funny thing about the fastest players calling regular maps "slow" is that if you were to put the majority of them in a 2-3 base game on a normal map they have an almost impossible time simply keeping up with resources much less countering any harass or aggressive army movements on the map Well I can tell from your previous post about how "FPM players are retarded" you are probably one of those fools who has this elite superiority complex regarding the fact that you don't play money maps, but what you've posted here is really stupid and shows your complete misunderstanding of what makes low money and FPM different. The situation you've just listed is almost no different from FPM. It's just macroing. It's getting to the point of having 2-3 bases that's the difficult part, not being plopped into a game with 3 mining bases and 8 gateways already.
i was just kinda saying those points to the wind but i guess if your for some reason in the mood for arguing il attempt im not very good though
where did i say "FMP players are retarded" i believe it was "you cant argue with fastest players man its retarded," ITS IT IS.. sorry if i was being to general i meant that arguing with the majority of them leads to a situation described by the op, im sorry if you misunderstood but i said the majority im not knocking every single fastest player on the planet and i have played it i used to allot with some friends before i started playing on real maps i find it to be an ok waste of time when im not really in the mood to expand or do harass or things of that nature, the ones i was talking about and the ones i was thinking of are the kind that simply state the things they do blindly such as the ones who say "BW is imba becuz of stealth unitz like DTz and lurkerz" and i have a friend who does that actually lol
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Please don't tell me that I am raging or "rage much." I think you'll find that the weakest arguments tend to be the ones wherein you tell the other person what they're thinking. You're right, I misremembered what you said, however the point I made still stands in my mind: the situation you outlined is not that different. It's just macroing. The part of low money that differs from FPM is the whole process of getting to that 3-4 base point. Timing attacks, strategic decisions, economic decisions, precise BOs, experience, scouting, etc etc.
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I retract my "rage much" statement you make a good point and that was uncalled for, and you are right about the situation i was describing being basically macro like fastest
On April 17 2009 19:22 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
the situation you outlined is not that different. It's just macroing. The part of low money that differs from FPM is the whole process of getting to that 3-4 base point. Timing attacks, strategic decisions, economic decisions, precise BOs, experience, scouting, etc etc.
but the bottom part is more what i was getting at i miss worded myself and got all fucked up i was basically trying to say that most of the friends i have who play fastest and then attempt to go to normal maps have trouble with keeping up with the "Timing attacks, strategic decisions, economic decisions, precise BOs, experience, scouting, etc etc" in a normal game and theirs to much going on for them to really keep up, i think i just used resources as a way to say they would be falling behind... my poor grammar and word choices just fails
EDIT :and my punctuation i got like commas everywhere but not one period lol
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if you treat fastest like a ums, then it might be different. and probably you have to beat them before they'll understand
and if they dont, you have TL
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its time to let your fists do the talking, the time for diplomacy has ended
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destroy them in their own game in their own terms. Have them play the "imba" zerg in BW and you whatever they want you to play. That's pretty much all you can do
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I would try that but i don't think that they would play me. Perhaps if i could just get one of them to play me 1v1 fastest. There is one kid who still talks to me, perhaps i could get lucky and get him to play me.
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On April 18 2009 00:17 hugitout wrote:
its time to let your fists do the talking, the time for diplomacy has ended
name/post irony here is great, haha
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like many others have said, you weren't very convincing.
you lose, call their race imba and say what you do takes more skill.
that's like the definition of a scrub.
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I have the same problem but i didnt get into it with the people. So me and my roomate play on the dorms LAN when we 1v1 because its best. One day we make a game and some dumbass named "Lord Evan" joins... Basically we are like holy shit someone else plays sc besides us?, hell yea! little did we know thye were the worst players ever. So we never played with them again despite them living in our dorm lol. Fuckin nubs.
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Sounds like they are a bunch of retards that are not worth to be friends with. Just ignore them or w/e
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There is no reason to argue with them. If you like them or enjoy playing with them go ahead. Maintain that they are retards for liking fastest, but don't make a big deal out of it. It's not that big of a fucking deal.
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Poll: Fastest players are the religious people of Starcraft
(Vote): True
(Vote): False
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Braavos36373 Posts
sure they are wrong about low money taking less skill than fastest, but other than that it seems like you just suck at fastest. both types of games require a certain skillset. while normal maps have a higher skill ceiling and more skill differentiation, money maps still require knowledge of strategy and macro execution to win.
look at it from their perspective, if someone played you on low and lost and then complained about imbalance and how low money was newbie, you would react the exact same way as they did. you can't possibly expect them to just accept your post-loss whining. beat them at fastest then talk. if you're so much better than they are at BW it should be easy right?
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Lol just beat them at fastest, it is so easy. Just do 1v1s instead of FFA.
Speedlot runover with obs usually beats any tech unless they cannoned like crazy.
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On April 18 2009 04:29 Hot_Bid wrote:
sure they are wrong about low money taking less skill than fastest, but other than that it seems like you just suck at fastest. both types of games require a certain skillset. while normal maps have a higher skill ceiling and more skill differentiation, money maps still require knowledge of strategy and macro execution to win.
look at it from their perspective, if someone played you on low and lost and then complained about imbalance and how low money was newbie, you would react the exact same way as they did. you can't possibly expect them to just accept your post-loss whining. beat them at fastest then talk. if you're so much better than they are at BW it should be easy right?
exactly
and for the record i highly doubt any low money players to beat a seasoned fastest player
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Well you got 2v1'ed it seems, challenge for a 1v1 fair fight. FFA is just silly if you're trying to do a comparison.
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
Dude... they are probably just making fun of you and giving you a hard time because you're that kid who takes things way too seriously. They are all hanging out in a dorm fucking around having fun on fastest FFA's, and you come in and try and tell them they are doing it wrong and should play like you or they suck. On top of that you tell them after you lose, so you just look and sound like a dick.
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On April 18 2009 07:30 Snet wrote:
Dude... they are probably just making fun of you and giving you a hard time because you're that kid who takes things way too seriously. They are all hanging out in a dorm fucking around having fun on fastest FFA's, and you come in and try and tell them they are doing it wrong and should play like you or they suck. On top of that you tell them after you lose, so you just look and sound like a dick.
This seems like a pretty accurate description seeing OP's post and the need to post something like this.
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On April 18 2009 07:32 Shivaz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2009 07:30 Snet wrote:
Dude... they are probably just making fun of you and giving you a hard time because you're that kid who takes things way too seriously. They are all hanging out in a dorm fucking around having fun on fastest FFA's, and you come in and try and tell them they are doing it wrong and should play like you or they suck. On top of that you tell them after you lose, so you just look and sound like a dick. This seems like a pretty accurate description seeing OP's post and the need to post something like this.
Agreed. Try not to take games with friends seriously. At least if you are not playing in leagues or as a competitive team.
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The way I play an ancient videogame is far superior to the way you play an ancient videogame.
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On April 17 2009 19:01 NoobsOfWrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 17:43 Raithed wrote:
oh and people actually fucking ask me to 1v1 fastest. i barely even 2v2 on fastest why would i 1v1 there? and i actually told them to play python or something and guess what?
python:
boring
overused
too little minerals
too slow
cliffs are imbalanced
etc etc. I really fail to see your point. They like fastest, and they don't like aspects of low money. If you played fastest only, I'm sure you wouldn't like waiting to make a pylon at 8 and a gate at 10 rather than at like 6 and 9 or whatever the fuck it is on FPM. Let noobs have their fun. It's a game. Also, why the fuck would you find it surprising to get people asking you to 1v1 on FPM if by your own admission you play FPM "excessively?" Did you use the wrong word? Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 18:59 Manbear wrote:
the funny thing about the fastest players calling regular maps "slow" is that if you were to put the majority of them in a 2-3 base game on a normal map they have an almost impossible time simply keeping up with resources much less countering any harass or aggressive army movements on the map Well I can tell from your previous post about how "FPM players are retarded" you are probably one of those fools who has this elite superiority complex regarding the fact that you don't play money maps, but what you've posted here is really stupid and shows your complete misunderstanding of what makes low money and FPM different. The situation you've just listed is almost no different from FPM. It's just macroing. It's getting to the point of having 2-3 bases that's the difficult part, not being plopped into a game with 3 mining bases and 8 gateways already.
my point is, 1v1 on fastest is fucking boring/futile. the minerals and whatever are infinite so if you just build 8648545 cannons, and just mass, how BORING is that? hmm?
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OP, when people are playing smash brothers, do you go into the room and tell them that they should be playing 1v1s? Oh, and they should only play on two or three of the maps with all items off, and while you're at it, get out the gamecube (the gamecube smash brothers is a much better game)?
No, at least I hope not. You've got like four or five people in college who are trying to have fun in starcraft, casually. They're going to have different skill levels. It's not about 'this is a skillless newbfest', it's about having fun and how Matt is going to get raped in minutes and just not want to play if he 1v1s Joe. Yeah, feel the waters for if they want to do something else... but to go in being elitist and making one of your main argument points "I know more about starcraft than you do"? I don't get that.
Team and FFA play can make games way more compatible when people have very different skill levels.
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If you're actually better than them then you should be able to beat them on their own ground. It shouldn't take too long to get a gist of some adaptations you'll have to do when playing on fastest maps/BGH.
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BGH imo is so freaking fun, it's not even as newb as fastest and i dont get easily frustrated like i do with 1v1's and yes i follow the pro scene too.
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make them watch tense low money vods
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Strangly enough, your "pro" bo might be the fact you lost in Fastest. Cuz the pro BO doesn't work on fastest.
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This statement is contradictory if it is verbatim I quote: Ben you are a fucking retard. You don't know anything about starcraft. You play the slow way, I play the fast way. The fast way is better, no race is better than the other, and a 200supply protoss army is worse than a 200zerg army.
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One race having a stronger army at x supply doesn't mean that races are necessarily unbalanced.
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i play fastest vanilla all the time. i'll partner you in a 2v2 and own ezpz.
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ROFL COMBAT EX.... lmao he's hilarious, he sounds exactly like someone else i know...
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