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I hate Bisu.
Why did you have to ruin the MSL like this? Read what Flash had to say about it:
- You played against jaedong at the last set.
▲ To be honest with you, I did not want to play Jaedong Hyung today. We even have a proleague game with each other, and even if we played I wanted to play against jaedong at the winner's bracket. I was so sad, Jaedong Hyung is a player who doesn't deserve to drop out from RO32.
Look, even a punkass 16-year-old knows that you just denied this MSL a good player. Flash is no slouch, FBH is pretty damned good in the same 2 matchups Boxer was (neo-Boxer?), and Hwasin just showed he can take out the best in this Group. So why, Bisu?
Boxer wouldn't have done something like this in the group selection stages. He would have put HIMSELF in the group of death. But now we get you, you little selfish punk, who denies the fans some good players just for selfish advantage.
It's not cheating. But just like faking injury and trying to elicit fouls (Manu Ginobili anyone?) it damages the spirit of the game.
Conclusions...
Flash and JD: I have a lot more respect for these two players now. I think that there must be a bond of camaderie between these two guys and I think that Flash should, if he's a good bloke, treat his mate out to dinner and have a drunken night cursing that bastard Protoss.
Hwasin: What the fuck? Where did you come from? Anyhow GL and do us proud. Don't bust JD out of the MSL and then fail in the Ro16, that would make you hated.
Bisu: You may have talent, you may have looks, you may have tons of women, but you don't have class, and you sure as hell don't have any sense of what it truly means to be someone who contributes to the world of Starcraft. You see that interview? Flash, 17-year-old, sounds more mature than you, 20-year-old. I don't care how many games you win, I just can't respect a player who wants to win via pushing all his tough opponents into one group so they eliminate each other.
Sorry for all Bisu fans out there, I respect his playing ability, but I hate hate hate how he stacked this recent MSL group. I hope that you will agree that it was a dick move on his behalf.
  
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It was a good strategical move.
People may whine about lameness when someone 5pools.
But the game is about winning.
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On February 05 2009 22:58 Nytefish wrote:
It was a good strategical move.
People may whine about lameness when someone 5pools.
But the game is about winning.
People hated Hwasin when he threw his games vs. Calm, how is this different?
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sAviOr > Bisu in this MSL. It happened once, it will happen again
it's KARMA biatch
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On February 05 2009 23:00 t_co wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 22:58 Nytefish wrote:
It was a good strategical move.
People may whine about lameness when someone 5pools.
But the game is about winning. People hated Hwasin when he threw his games vs. Calm, how is this different?
Well I may have called it a good move, but I simply meant it increased his chances of winning, obviously it's not very sportsman-like. But there's no prize for sportsmanship, unless you rate the respect of people you don't know higher than thousands of dollars.
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MrHoon
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Flash and Bisu are really close btw lol.
Infact, Bisu really likes Flash. Bisu in MSL and OSL selection tried to sit next to Flash, but the directors kept saying they had to sit far away
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it was a pretty good strategic move. as much as i dont like the results, it's just too bad that hwasin was the superior player of the day and took out both of them.
revenge? get a high seed and do the same thing to him next season.
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Bisu is my favourite player, but I'm very unhappy he stuffed up these groups.
Like I said before, they should introduce seeding for Starleagues. It would be better for the fans and sponsors to see big names playing each other towards the end of the tournaments.
You dont want Federer vs Nadal in the 2nd round of a grand slam tournament, do you?
Anyways I feel sad and going to sleep now.
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Your giving way too much hate to Bisu. He did what he had to do to have the best chance of winning the MSL, and it's what your supposed to do, for your job, for your fans, for your team and for your sponsors. He did his job... and you hate him for that? Boxer or anyone else for that matter would not do anything different but putting themselves in a group where they feel the most comfortable. I would even argue Midas picking Savior was because Midas was confident that he would beat him, and if he hadn't choked hardcore (i.e. 7-8 tanks lost because of 1 lurker) he would have.
Your taking Flash's word as fact here, it seems that Jaedong lost to Hwasin by sacrificing 20+ lings to kill 3 rines which means that you do not deserve a spot in the MSL. And wth? The MSL is far from being ruined just because Jaedong is out. There's still Savior, Jangbi, Leta, Flash, Hwasin. If fact, the only notable player being out is Jaedong. There wouldn't be any contempt if Hwasin didn't make it out and FBH and Hwasin were eliminated which would prove the MSL is only ruined because Jaedong is out.
Your pre-hatred of Bisu is obviously exemplifying your hatred for his actions now.
Not like my love for Bisu isn't justifying his actions...
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On February 05 2009 23:00 t_co wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 22:58 Nytefish wrote:
It was a good strategical move.
People may whine about lameness when someone 5pools.
But the game is about winning. People hated Hwasin when he threw his games vs. Calm, how is this different?
If you can't tell the difference between this and intentionally throwing a game by deciding the outcome ahead of time with your opponent then you are too stupid to post, and no one should bother explaining it to you.
Also jaedong could have avoided this by beating Hwasin. So could Flash.
Don't even try to act like you would still make this thread if flash and jaedong passed and hwasin went out. You wouldn't have said a damn thing.
By your backwards shitbrained logic then you should hate hwasin as well for RUINING THE MSL FOR US by winning when he wasn't supposed to!!! *sob whine bitch*.
Shut the fuck up.
Not to mention its bisu's right to do whatever the hell he wants. Why? BECAUSE HE FUCKING WON.
If jaedong had played well enough to get seeded this wouldn't have happened either.
If you want to blame someone, blame jaedong for failing last season. That's the way bw goes, your favorite players don't always advance. Boo freaking hoo.
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The point is no other MSL champion stacked a group so they could get a free ride. Bisu went against the precedent for reasons that could only benefit himself and not others. I feel sad =[
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Kespa needs to set up a seeding system or something. How can everyone blame Bisu for doing what was best for him to win. I mean shit, his coaches probably instructed him to stack the group to give himself the best chance of winning the MSL.
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On February 06 2009 00:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 23:00 t_co wrote:On February 05 2009 22:58 Nytefish wrote:
It was a good strategical move.
People may whine about lameness when someone 5pools.
But the game is about winning. People hated Hwasin when he threw his games vs. Calm, how is this different? If you can't tell the difference between this and intentionally throwing a game by deciding the outcome ahead of time with your opponent then you are too stupid to post, and no one should bother explaining it to you.
I'll admit that throwing a game is much more extreme than what Bisu did here, but both are steps in the same wrong direction.
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On February 06 2009 00:06 Tensai176 wrote:
Your giving way too much hate to Bisu. He did what he had to do to have the best chance of winning the MSL, and it's what your supposed to do, for your job, for your fans, for your team and for your sponsors. He did his job... and you hate him for that? Boxer or anyone else for that matter would not do anything different but putting themselves in a group where they feel the most comfortable. I would even argue Midas picking Savior was because Midas was confident that he would beat him, and if he hadn't choked hardcore (i.e. 7-8 tanks lost because of 1 lurker) he would have.
Your taking Flash's word as fact here, it seems that Jaedong lost to Hwasin by sacrificing 20+ lings to kill 3 rines which means that you do not deserve a spot in the MSL. And wth? The MSL is far from being ruined just because Jaedong is out. There's still Savior, Jangbi, Leta, Flash, Hwasin. If fact, the only notable player being out is Jaedong. There wouldn't be any contempt if Hwasin didn't make it out and FBH and Hwasin were eliminated which would prove the MSL is only ruined because Jaedong is out.
Your pre-hatred of Bisu is obviously exemplifying your hatred for his actions now.
Not like my love for Bisu isn't justifying his actions...
Put yourself in the most comfortable group--that's cool. Putting others in an uncomfortable group so you can get ahead--not so cool.
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Why is that not cool? SOMEONES going to have to go into an uncomfortable group. You act like jaedong and flash have some holy aura that someone makes them special when being placed in groups? W. T. F.
You expect bisu to weigh every possibility of fairness to every player before deciding whats best for himself? THE GROUP SELECTION IS DESIGNED TO GIVE ADVANTAGE TO THE PREVIOUS SEASONS WINNER. Bisu took that advantage of that as he should.
Sure it would be awesome to have jaedong and flash both still in it but in every starleague a great player goes out early. Get over it.
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On February 06 2009 00:23 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Why is that not cool? SOMEONES going to have to go into an uncomfortable group. You act like jaedong and flash have some holy aura that someone makes them special when being placed in groups? W. T. F.
You expect bisu to weigh every possibility of fairness to every player before deciding whats best for himself? THE GROUP SELECTION IS DESIGNED TO GIVE ADVANTAGE TO THE PREVIOUS SEASONS WINNER. Bisu took that advantage of that as he should.
In almost every starleague a great player goes out early. Get over it.
IT went against Precedent. No where in recent times has a SL Champion done so much to ensure they would have the best seed possible. It certainly hurt him that he stacked a lot of fan-favorites into one group.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
I completely agree. Bisu's attitude in general makes me sick, blaming maps for losses, making excuses, making gay groups like this one, dodging stork/bisu/flash/jaedong UGH MAKSE ME SICK
I never thought i'd say this, but my hate for lecaf has to settle for 2nd play to bisu atm, indeed my respect for jaedong has grown so w/e jaedong fighting...
@people discussing whether it was in bisu's best interest or not to rig the groups as such; the thing is, in isolation what bisu did is permissible. But imo, it's the culmination of these examples of poor sportsmanship which really make it hurt.
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@Avid
THE BEST SEED POSSIBLE? LMAO. He didn't even make it out of the round of 32. The champion picked a group he couldnt get out of! What does that tell you about the caliber of players that make it starleagues. EVERY player in a starleague is a fantastic player and capable of beating any other player if the game goes their way.
Or did you forget that Bisu didnt even advance?
Kinda makes your point look pretty silly doesn't it.
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On February 06 2009 00:28 Plexa wrote:
I completely agree. Bisu's attitude in general makes me sick, blaming maps for losses, making excuses, making gay groups like this one, dodging stork/bisu/flash/jaedong UGH MAKSE ME SICK
I never thought i'd say this, but my hate for lecaf has to settle for 2nd play to bisu atm, indeed my respect for jaedong has grown so w/e jaedong fighting...
You could look at it another way as well.
Maybe he was ensuring that at least two fan favorites made it through !
I mean if those players were all in different groups it is certainly possible that they could all fail.
I don't really believe that but I hope you at least see the point it raises.
It's not like any group in a starleague is actually "easy".
I think Bisu has displayed some amount of poor sportsmanship but this incident is not a prime example.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 06 2009 00:29 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
@Avid
THE BEST SEED POSSIBLE? LMAO. He didn't even make it out of the round of 32. The champion picked a group he couldnt get out of! What does that tell you about the caliber of players that make it starleagues. EVERY player in a starleague is a fantastic player and capable of beating any other player if the game goes their way.
Or did you forget that Bisu didnt even advance?
Kinda makes your point look pretty silly doesn't it. One could argue that switching players out like Bisu did ensured that he would have an easier run later on in the tournament, in addition to giving himself an "easy group" (because really, it was an easy group before we saw the games).
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