EPT**Spoiler**MSL Ro32 Group F Thoughts - Page 2
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On February 06 2009 00:29 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: @Avid THE BEST SEED POSSIBLE? LMAO. He didn't even make it out of the round of 32. The champion picked a group he couldnt get out of! What does that tell you about the caliber of players that make it starleagues. EVERY player in a starleague is a fantastic player and capable of beating any other player if the game goes their way. Or did you forget that Bisu didnt even advance? Kinda makes your point look pretty silly doesn't it. Hmm, Savior, Zero, MagMa +Bisu, or Hwasin, Flash, FBH and JD. Don't argue that the first group is harder overall just because Bisu couldn't make it out of it. No one said 'this group is hard for Bisu' ; just look at the liquibet. This is not some irrational hate people have, their ire for Bisu is well founded. The maps incident as well. We are not discussing the outcomes of the groups, sure he probably wouldn't of posted the blog if JD advanced (though I do not know), that doesn't change Bisu's attitude or what he did. What about the precedent part that you never responded to? P.S. Don't cuss and act condescending toward others-he supported his argument with facts while you just cussed him out and post "Kinda makes your point look pretty silly doesn't it." and stuff like that. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 06 2009 00:33 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Your making an unfair simplification. Of course there are no "easy" groups per say, but there are easier groups and harder groups. To deny the existence of easier and harder groups is to deny that there is a skill different between progamers. The fact remains that at face value that group seemed like the easiest group for bisu to advance out of. The fact that he didnt, and the reasons why he didnt, are up for debate. You could look at it another way as well. Maybe he was ensuring that at least two fan favorites made it through !  I mean if those players were all in different groups it is certainly possible that they could all fail. I don't really believe that but I hope you at least see the point it raises. It's not like any group in a starleague is actually "easy". I think Bisu has displayed some amount of poor sportsmanship but this incident is not a prime example. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Netizen Hey thanks for ruining everything Bisu Netizen WTF IS UP WITH GROUP F Netizen Oh wow bisu, planning to kill off ForGG, Jaedong and Flash? Oh yeah, thanks for ruining my Magma vs Stork Matchup I was looking forward to it Netizen GREEEDDDYYY Netizen I guess there is a reason why its called the "F" Group Netizen omg ur so mean ㅠㅠ Netizen hes first seed, gg no re Netizen I've lost all respect for Bisu. Savior better win now Netizen Ahh man I wanted to see Leta vs Magma too Netizen HAHA LOOK AT GROUP G Netizen Ahh man LeeSsang might die out in group F Netizen magma yo magma yo magma yo magma yo magma yo magma yo magma yo magma yo Netizen Wow it seems like Bisu planned this from the start. Poor Flash and Jaedong ㅠㅠ Netizen Whats wrong Bisu? Can't handle proper players like ForGG and Flash? You deserve to fail. Netizen fuck man group F ㅡㅡ Netizen WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G WHO WILL WATCH GROUP G Netizen Its been nice being a Bisu fan, I had a good time there ^^; Now seems like I must depart Netizen You put Flash and JD in one group then make ForGG play against Stork? Shame on you, for Shame. Netizen Jangbi made the Lineups fun, yet you fucked it up. I hope you get kicked off at RO32. Netizen Lost Saga MSL = Bisu plays against retards Lost Saga MSL = Bisu plays against retards Lost Saga MSL = Bisu plays against retards Lost Saga MSL = Bisu plays against retards Lost Saga MSL = Bisu plays against retards Lost Saga MSL = Bisu plays against retards Netizen LOL stork has 3 terrans and bisu has 3 zergs Netizen Bisu I thought you were a man. Netizen this msl sucksssss Netizen Group F: Child Slave vs My Town is North vs Hwasin vs African American Netizen Nobody can stop Bisu from being Bonjwa now. Literally. from group selection night | ||
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Pioneer
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"Ok, I really want that money but I want to be fair and increase my chance of getting knocked out early.. so let's do this. Flash, Jaedong, Stork you're all in my group" Also are you angry because a Bisu stacked the group or because Jaedong got knocked out? Had Bisu put himself in the group and had say FBH somewhere else there's a good chance Jaedong would've still been knocked out. The competition is so close in progaming that the odds were against Jaedong from the start. Bisu pushed the odds in his favor because he had the opportunity. Do you think Jaedong would've done anything different? Or Flash? Bisu's logic was sound, stop bitching, sure it sucks Jaedong is out, it's a treat to watch him play but so what. I'm sure this MSL will be fine just the same. Also, I don't like the fact that Bisu bitched about maps but Harmony is really really hard to play PvZ on so i understand why he was irked. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 06 2009 00:41 Pioneer wrote: Yes; arena MSLBisu pushed the odds in his favor because he had the opportunity. Do you think Jaedong would've done anything different? Or Flash? Bisu's logic was sound, stop bitching, sure it sucks Jaedong is out, it's a treat to watch him play but so what. I'm sure this MSL will be fine just the same. Group A Jaedong vs Bisu Hwasin vs Frozean (Hwasin and Jaedong advanced btw) Jaedong DID do it differently when he had the opportunity to switch bisu out Also, I don't like the fact that Bisu bitched about maps but Harmony is really really hard to play PvZ on so i understand why he was irked. Well it's his own damn fault, he didn't have to play savior on that map | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
I mean is it so hard to fucking say that? Really? | ||
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MrHoon
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He bitched about other maps. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
edit: also, we wouldn't be having this conversation if Jaedong simply beat Hwasin. two players advanced from group F and arguably the "weakest" Hwasin went 2-0. just like in Bisu's group, where the "weakest" savior went 2-0, funky things happen in progaming. as if a Flash Stork Jaedong Bisu group would've been better? two of those players would've been eliminated as well. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 06 2009 00:37 Plexa wrote: Your making an unfair simplification. Of course there are no "easy" groups per say, but there are easier groups and harder groups. To deny the existence of easier and harder groups is to deny that there is a skill different between progamers. The fact remains that at face value that group seemed like the easiest group for bisu to advance out of. The fact that he didnt, and the reasons why he didnt, are up for debate. I never denied the fact that some groups are harder than others, and I see no problem with this unavoidable fact of broodwar. It adds flavor. And the fact that Bisu's group seemed the easiest and yet he still lost shows that people shouldn't make assumptions on bisu's character based of the groups. Especially when those assumptions(not only the ones made against bisu, but also the ones made by bisu himself) are proved totally wrong by the results. In fact I could argue that bisu made the MSL better for a lot of people. Especially bisu haters like the op who instead of bitching about the groups he made should be reveling in the sweet sweet justice of him being thrown out of the "easy" group he made. Or Hwasin fans. Hwasin fans are on Cloud 9 right now. Flash fans are very happy too. Flash's only real weaknesses recently(for the most part) have been jaedong and bisu. They are both out. And you KNOW savior fans are thrilled as well, watching savior crush his arch rival and cruise out of the group. It's all a matter of the players one supports. | ||
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Hot_Bid
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
Flash still loses majority of the time against Lux even in practice games. Not to mention, even when Lux gets down, Flash will eventually have to play Yarnc or Savior. And Flash said "Yarnc is better than Lux" Shits going to be fucking tough. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 06 2009 00:58 MrHoon wrote: Even if Flash manages to get by Leta, he will eventually have to play against Lux. Flash still loses majority of the time against Lux even in practice games. Not to mention, even when Lux gets down, Flash will eventually have to play Yarnc or Savior. And Flash said "Yarnc is better than Lux" Shits going to be fucking tough. Well Flash won't have to if Lux fails to advance And ya I guess every game is a challenge lol. But that brings me back to my original point. There is no such thing as an easy starleague. Everyone is rediculously good. And real quick to avidstamper: I only cussed at the rediculous comment he made about what Bisu did being the same as what Hwasin and Calm did when they clearly aren't. The other comments are simply to give rise to passionate debate which I feel I was quite successful at Not to mention the op set the tone with personal attacks against Bisu(even though he'll never read them). The precedent part? I'm not sure at all that's really true. Or that it can even be proven because its too subjective . There have been a SHITLOAD of starleague group selections. Keep that in mind. | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On February 06 2009 01:02 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Well Flash won't have to if Lux fails to advance And ya I guess every game is a challenge lol. But that brings me back to my original point. There is no such thing as an easy starleague. Everyone is rediculously good. psst tempest nada | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
A little less damn good, but damn good all the same.psst How dare you call Nada not damn good. Blasphemy! Go ahead and TLPD him real quick. I'll wait...ok there. How can you say anyone with that achievement list isn't damn good? Nada is a legend. | ||
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MrHoon
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
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fearus
China2164 Posts
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
 Both MSL and OSL should seed people into groups/tournaments based on their Kespa rankings, problem solved and we avoid stupid shit like s-class players in offline qualifiers, or Flash/Jaedong in the same group in stead of in a semi. I suggest you direct your energy towards such a solution in stead of blaming Bisu, because you won't be able to blame him the next MSL group selection. People mention Tennis, how funny is that, its not going to happen there for obvious reasons. And what the hell do you think a player like Roddick would do to a group selection phase for instance? Consider that for a moment :p Some sports take it too far, like Snooker where new players struggle perhaps a bit too hard. Bisu just pointed out the obvious flaws in the system. | ||
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