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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 06 2009 01:09 MrHoon wrote: I meant tempest lol, I meant the Matchup was easy for nada haha Oh lol. Well Nada is the favorite but I am not confident at all. Tempest has showed some poor games pvt but he has also showed some monster ones. Nada better win=/ | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 06 2009 01:09 Qatol wrote: I think it's funny that everyone is jumping on Bisu for doing something like this when only a few years ago everyone was mad at Midas for intentionally picking Savior and getting himself knocked out (basically the opposite of what Bisu did) Lol so true. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
I really, really wanted that magma vs stork. I totally fucking wanted it. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
If Bisu had stayed in the group of death and beaten Jaedong and Flash, what would people say then? One can argue that Jaedong is better than Savior and therefore he "would have" beaten Bisu. But then again one can also argue that Jaedong is better than Hwasin and firebathero, that Bisu is better than Savior, and so forth. I see this from another point of view. I think that, rather than hating Bisu for making the group of death, I think Bisu screwed himself over by putting himself with "lesser players," who all had something to prove and wanted to show everyone that they could destroy one of the best Protoss players of all time. Let's not forget that Bisu recently knocked Flash out of GOMTV, or that he schooled FBH in the last MSL. Bisu in many ways is subject to the "Boxer effect." People try ESPECIALLY hard when playing Bisu, Jaedong, Flash, and other high ranked players because they want to prove something to the progaming scene. They want to be seen as a threat, and what better way to do it than by taking out the most respected players of the scene? Bisu got knocked out by none other than Savior, the player who many people consider went INTO a slump BECAUSE of Bisu. And now that Savior has beaten Bisu, I think it will give Savior the confidence he needs to carry himself through in 2009. I actually think Bisu (unintentionally) did a huge favor to Savior fans. Savior himself admits that he hates facing FBH, and if he had been stuck with FBH he might've just been schooled right then and there. Especially given the mental discomfort that Savior feels when facing FBH. To be honest, with the way things are now, I am keeping my fingers crossed for a Nada v. Savior MSL finals =) | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
On February 06 2009 00:53 Hot_Bid wrote: i don't know how much a fraternity the progamers are and how much respect top players give to the group selection, but to me trying to eliminate your foes by putting them in hard groups is a right you've earned from winning (or placing high) in the previous MSL. that's your privilege. what's so bad about bisu exercising his rights? i mean, sure it might look lame, but it's a sport, and bad matchups always happen early in playoff brackets because of seeding or other circumstances. it's just a fact of sports. are we supposed to expect a player who is looking out for his own self interest to simply be nice? sure, it doesn't make Bisu a nice guy but the level of hate dished out in the OP is over the top. edit: also, we wouldn't be having this conversation if Jaedong simply beat Hwasin. two players advanced from group F and arguably the "weakest" Hwasin went 2-0. just like in Bisu's group, where the "weakest" savior went 2-0, funky things happen in progaming. as if a Flash Stork Jaedong Bisu group would've been better? two of those players would've been eliminated as well. this is a good post and says a lot of what i wanted to. i'd like to think i'm one of the few rational bisu fans, and strictly as a fan i can understand being annoyed or mad at bisu for how things turned out. but this response is so out of control. bringing honor or manner or responsibility into this? you guys of all should have remembered: play to win. bisu has a long history of both playing in and picking strong groups, i think he's earned the right to build his group after he wins a league. i dunno, he probably had delusions of winning both leagues, and knowing it'd be extremely difficult even with his overinflated ego he figured he'd do what he could to make the msl easier. and plexa, what was your issue with the tears of the moon quote? it's the same as every single bisu quote ever: what he honestly thinks, blunt, and a bit uncouth. it's a shit map, and he said as much i really think most if this hate is just because bisu is considered the dominant player of this instant. there's absolutely nothing different about him - only your perception of him. | ||
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Pioneer
994 Posts
On February 06 2009 00:48 MrHoon wrote: And no Pioneer, he didn't bitch about Harmony. He didn't even mention harmony. He bitched about other maps. I thought he had said something about it being impossible to wall properly on harmony? | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
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traced
1739 Posts
On February 06 2009 01:35 Kyo Yuy wrote: I actually think Bisu (unintentionally) did a huge favor to Savior fans. Savior himself admits that he hates facing FBH, and if he had been stuck with FBH he might've just been schooled right then and there. Especially given the mental discomfort that Savior feels when facing FBH. i think switching jaedong and savior before taking him shows bisu had his interests in mind at least a little bit, as it's a pretty big "fuck you" to fbh and i mean, at the selection people were upset with bisu for taking savior, but even during the show savior mentioned how hard he would practice if bisu decided to pick him - i doubt it was a surprise, and i'd suspect it was probably planned. | ||
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roadrunner_sc
United States1220 Posts
On February 06 2009 01:09 Qatol wrote: I think it's funny that everyone is jumping on Bisu for doing something like this when only a few years ago everyone was mad at Midas for intentionally picking Savior and getting himself knocked out (basically the opposite of what Bisu did) Ahahaha thanks for reminding me Midas <3 Midas please make a comeback soon I miss your silly antics. And if you do you have to revive CEREMONIES!! | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On February 06 2009 01:09 Qatol wrote: I think it's funny that everyone is jumping on Bisu for doing something like this when only a few years ago everyone was mad at Midas for intentionally picking Savior and getting himself knocked out (basically the opposite of what Bisu did) i hated midas' choice then and i think Bisu did the right thing here. my opinion is at least consistent  i think especially because progaming is so cutthroat and close at the top and difficult to qualify for these major leagues, its critical players value seeds. they are so, so precious, as a seed gives you a really good opportunity to win another seed (you sometimes get to arrange groups, you don't have to play survivor, etc). thus, it makes sense for progamers, who all are on the brink of slump / elimination at all times (just look at all the OSL winners slumps, ugh) to do everything possible for self preservation. midas did something really stupid in Shinhan3 and it cost him his entire career. he never recovered from that. if he picked someone other than Savior, he's probably seeded into the next OSL. he was the second strongest player in that field. as for Bisu here, he made the right choice even if he was eliminated. he put 3 people into his group that were "weak" and he had his "strongest" matchup. you can't jump on him because he's doing what's best for his career, and we all know how fragile these careers can be. ultimately Bisu should be looking out for Bisu, not aiming to please some fans of stork vs magma or whatever match that will be forgotten in 2 months anyway. so he made it tough for Jaedong and Flash, big deal? those two had their shot in Club Day and blew it. such is the world of progaming, big names get bumped out early in tournaments. be thankful that savior, leta, flash, stork, etc. are through to the Ro16. we can't have everything. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
Comeon, grow up... | ||
semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
Flash got booted from the Round of 32 in Club Day and Jaedong didn't make it to the round of 8 either. Neither of them won seeds for themselves. Regardless of whether Bisu bitches about a lot of things or not, you're basically picking on him for something that he isn't being bitchy about because it doesn't suit you. As far as publicity goes... I bet a ton of people tuned in to watch Group F. There is no guarantee that any of the big name players meet later on in the tournament anyway. In fact, in this MSL format, putting two good players in the same group actually increases their chance of playing a best of five later as only two groups feed into any given quarterfinals match. I don't particularly like Bisu, but he did the right thing for himself in making groups. If other players have a problem with it, then they should try winning to keep it from happening. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
I never really hated Bisu before, but now I do (entirely my opinion). FU Bisu  | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On February 06 2009 03:08 disciple wrote: Maybe Jd and Flash should try a little harder and get in better position next season so that their fate doesnt depend on someone like Bisu. Grow up already, or simply admit you wont like bisu no matter what. The comments about bisu dodging stork/jd/flash are nothing but pathetic. 1st seed is earned, you dont get it by luck, so being in this position you are completely free to do whatever you want. maybe you have sympathy for flash/jd but bisu doenst, he is professional in what he does and his efforts to make the tournament easier for him are completely understandable. "Grow up already, or simply admit you wont like bisu no matter what. " Because I'm supposed to like Bisu for playing a huge role in knocking out my favorite player when he didnt' have to + complaining about maps? "The comments about bisu dodging stork/jd/flash are nothing but pathetic. 1st seed is earned, you dont get it by luck, so being in this position you are completely free to do whatever you want." I never made any dodging comments and obvious he can do whatever he wants, that's why I'm displeased with his actions, ex. 2 MSLs ago, JD chose to be in the group with Hwasin/Bisu. So not every pro-gamer goes with the win above anything attitude and I am entitled to my opinion to like those pro-gamers with those attitudes less. "Maybe Jd and Flash should try a little harder and get in better position next season so that their fate doesnt depend on someone like Bisu. " This seems like a flamebait, pro-gamers obviously work their butts off for these games. "he is professional in what he does and his efforts to make the tournament easier for him are completely understandable. " Just because he is understandable/professional doesn't mean I have to like him. His efforts to make the tournament easier for him goes beyond most of the top seed's choices in the recent MSLs, thus, I don't like him. I assumed your post was directed at me. | ||
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TheNikeYork
United States389 Posts
On February 05 2009 23:02 minus_human wrote: sAviOr > Bisu in this MSL. It happened once, it will happen again Truth. | ||
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disciple
9071 Posts
I assumed your post was directed at me. It wasnt, but thanks for your points anyway. the stork/jd/flash dodging part is referring to a post from page 2, you have nothing to do with it Well I suppose just like the actors you like one more than everybody else. I'm neutral to flash, but I really dont like Jaedong. No matter how deep I search for the reason and explaining it with his playstyle or even the game vs boxer on katrina, the fact is I dont like the guy for no real reason. Not that he is not worth my hate from my point of view, but I'm just irrational and I wont like anything he does no matter how good, skilled and talented player he is. All I want to say is that I do understand all your feelings about the MSL group selection. If Jd/flash did the same to bisu/boxer/casy my reaction would've been quite similar, thou I think you are all overreacting a tiny bit. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On February 06 2009 03:31 ghostWriter wrote: After these several months of Hwasin dropping games to players and losing ace matches, consequently costing STX Soul the match, I feel vindicated as a fan. I hope that Hwasin doesn't burn out he's certainly not spending his energy on proleague, that's for sure -_- | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On February 06 2009 01:35 Kyo Yuy wrote: I'm going to play Devil's Advocate and pose the following question: If Bisu had stayed in the group of death and beaten Jaedong and Flash, what would people say then?) Is this correct? I thought Bisu was in the group with jaedong magma and zero, and then switched jaedong with savior? Anyway, this group selection thing needs to go. Whether you think it's fair or not, it's just bullshit that we had to see 2 of the people in group F get knocked out in the ro32. Jaedong vs Flash should be playing in the finals or ro4, not in the final match of a ro32 group. Just look at group G, Nada frozean ruby and canata. Not a single one of those 4 people should be qualifying over anyone in group F. KESPA either needs to get rid of this selection process or just have the ability to switch around some groups if they are clearly stacked. As a point of reference, the average KESPA rank in group F was 9.75. The average KESPA rank in group G was 40. In the end all it really does is deny us seeing great matches when they are supposed to happen. It's just sad to see JD and Flash playing a Bo1 to decide who gets eliminated from the MSL. | ||
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